Chris Matthews: "Her entire crowd was white tonight."

[YDogg]

:shrug:

[K8-EEE]

1. Where, in KY??

Thanks Sherlock....:eyes:

[2rth2pwr]

2. How many black people in that 75,000 rally in Oregon? 6?

[AllentownJake]

5. 10

you forgot the Obamas.

[Arugula Latte]

37. Actually, 9 1/2

Barack is only half you know ...

Wait a minute ...

That makes his kids 3/4 black ....

Ahhh, too much math for me. :crazy:

[quantass]

53. Constitution say Blacks are 3/5 of a person....so this complicates math even more

:shrug:

[NashVegas]

7. Waaaahhhh

:spray:

[islandmkl]

8. there goes that whole 'whites won't vote for Obama' thing...

seems to depend on geography more than just race...

[LisaM]

9. LOL.

Good point! Portland is more white than Seattle and that's saying a lot.

[MadMaddie]

49. Ha...ha.. I live in the Seattle area and this is true....

I do love the area though!!

[scheming daemons]

10. EXACTLY. He can draw white people... she CAN'T draw black people.

[BlooInBloo]

27. Yup. Maine, Vermont, Iowa, Idaha, Wyoming, Nebraska, Oregon, etc....

There is no doubt about Obama's ability to get white folks.

There is no doubt about Clinton's inability to get black folks.

There is no doubt about Obama's inability to get bigots.

There is no doubt about Clinton's ability to get bigots.

[jgraz]

57. That's cuz she used up her black crayons darkening Obama's face for her campaign flyers.

Oh.. you meant the other kind of draw... never mind.

[eridani]

63. She could in 2007, before all the racebating

Had a big lead over all other candidates back then.

[TahitiNut]

11. Ahhh, I see. Now you're claiming Obama can't get black support?

Just
Fucking
Insane
:eyes:

[Oregone]

13. Far more

Its in the second whitest city in the nation, but there were still a lot of AAs there. I saw predominately white, 20 to 55 year olds, but maybe 5%+ black. I can't remember to be honest.

[DAGDA56]

15. You really stepped into it, that time...

[Weary Traveler]

Huh?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

[Weary Traveler]

18. Huh?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

[gmudem]

20. I thought white people don't like Obama?

You're getting your official Clinton-campaign trademarked talking points mixed up.

[CreekDog]

71. it's very important not to use a Clinton talking point outside the week it's invented

suffice it to say we are well past the stage when "Obama isn't black enough" :eyes:

[Swamp Rat]

26. Ok

Good counterpoint. :applause: :D

[casus belli]

33. Ha, you just defeated your candidates argument.

So he CAN win the white working class vote. Thanks.

[jgraz]

59. It's not about rationality, it's about Kevin James-style blank-slate screaming

[Forkboy]

60. So he can get the white vote? Make up your minds.

[roguevalley]

61. tons. don't dump racist shit on Oregon.

[hokies4ever]

66. How much money did you flush down the drain donating to Hillary?

:rofl:

[DeadElephant_ORG]

67. the relevant comparison is how many WOMEN were in that crowd in OR.

try to remember: Obama is black. Hillary is female.

[CreekDog]

69. big difference: there are hardly any black people in Oregon

there are many many black people in Kentucky.

[DemVet]

77. LMFAO! I don't think Oregon has any black people, do they?

[Zachstar]

82. You wish

[DS1]

93. One less than the number it would have been if Bill Clinton was there

He's black, right?

[EmilyAnne]

3. Yes, but she met an African-American female supporter in Covington.

So, there.

[npincus]

4. and hard-working!

[gateley]

6. He was right --

they apparently didn't even have any fillers available.

In WV there were black voters in her audience -- very few, but there were some.

[Doityourself]

She really needed tht black guy with the glove tonight...lol

[NatBurner]

17. who? the west virginia yellow shirt guy?

i'm surprised he's not more famous



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/logan-nakyanzi-pollard/whos-that-boxer-in-the-pi_b_101753.html

[Doityourself]

22. Yeah that guy...,lol

[greguganus]

25. Hillary said that was her driver. n/t

[last1standing]

12. Kentucky has 8% African American population.

It seems there should have been a few in the audience.

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. I just saw the black guy with the bowling pin

in the crowd..

[invictus]

16. n/t

[Lady-Damai]

19. Well, she did mention old *black* woman supporter in her speech. It should count right? n/t

[Yotun]

21. Is MSNBC anywhere live on the internet?!?!?!

[crankychatter]

87. no... they have videos of recent highlites... it's pretty good

cnn live casts events... but not their regular broadcast... just whole events

[crankychatter]

89. dupe delete nt

.

[PM7nj]

23. Surprise!

[Chalco]

24. Obama makes sure only white people are on the stage with him.

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[Lady-Damai]

28. Prove it. n/t

[Chalco]

39. Just open your eyes. nt

[Lady-Damai]

76. Open my eyes?

I haven't seen EVERY Obama speech on tv or followed him to every state. So, I really can't say he has ONLY white ppl on the stage with him. Since, you claim Obama has only white folks on the stage with him.... Show me some fucking pictures and videos to prove it.

[stillcool]

46. what about his wife and kids?

Stevie Wonder? Black Politicians? You know, black people are people too.

[Straight Shooter]

29. Tweety gets paid how much to stir the pot? n/t

[NotThisTime]

30. I think he did a fine job with it... how many openly admitted they voted along racial lines? More

More than in West Virginia! And that's saying something....

[Straight Shooter]

31. If blacks vote for Obama, it's identity politics; if whites vote for Hillary it's racism?

There's a double standard going on. Of course some of it is racist, but a lot of is simply identity politics. There are whites who will vote for any white against a black, and there are blacks who will vote for any black against a white. There are men who will never vote for a woman if a man is running, and there are women who will never vote for a man if a woman is running.

Ain't America grand. :eyes:

[anonymous171]

32. Exit polls say only 33% of Hillary's voters will vote for Obama.

While 70%-ish of Obama supporters will vote for Hillary. You were saying? :eyes:

[Straight Shooter]

36. Identity politics.

FWIW, Obama supporters at this point can say anything, because they believe they have the nomination firmly in hand.

Did they poll O supporters regarding Hillary as vice president on the ticket? Nope.

[Leopolds Ghost]

52. It's still racism however you slice it. Enough with your and your candidate's kindergarten games

[canucksawbones]

50. sounds like Obama supporters

care about electing a Democrat, whreas the Hillary supporters would cut their noses off to spite their faces.

apparently Obama supporters are wiser

GK

[woolldog]

35. b/c white who vote against Obama on the basis of race

don't vote for black candidates period. They are uncomfortable with it.

Blacks voting for Obama (or against Clinton) vote for white candidates all the time.

Big difference.

[Straight Shooter]

38. Well, I wish they had asked those same voters if they would vote for Colin Powell.

Remember years ago, when it seemed he would run? Gosh, people were excited about voting for him. I really wanted to vote for him, because back then I didn't have the keen disdain for Repub politicians that I do now. I just liked him, a lot.

So maybe that's the way to narrow it down; if they wouldn't vote for Obama because of race, maybe it's because they're identifying with Hillary being white, those being the only two factors from which to choose. But maybe, just maybe they would set Hillary aside and vote for Colin Powell because they would identify with him being a military leader, or his gravitas, his demeanor.

I worry very much about Colin Powell being on McCain's ticket, although so far I see no indication of that happening.

[woolldog]

48. Powell wouldn't run as VP

He wants Obama to be the first black president.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

80. I can't speak for all 18 million of us, but the problem with Colin

is his policies, just like the problem with Condi and Clarence 'Uncle Tom' Thomas. It is their policies, not their race. So while blacks may respect Powell for his service to this country and for who he is, many won't vote for him because of what he stands for and that he supports Bush's politics. I know a lot of blacks who would vote for him, though.

It's not just about race because blacks have voted for white over black candidates for most of our lives. If we didn't, say hello to President Al Sharpton or President Jesse Jackson...or even President (or Senator) Alan Keyes. And what about Governor Lynn Swann or Senator Michael Steele? All black; all lost to white candidates. Why? Because black people voted for the white candidate. Don't know how clearer I can make this point.

[Straight Shooter]

94. The problem with Colin Powell, I believe, can be overcome

I think a lot about this, because it worries me. If he can be painted as a "good soldier," but someone who only has the interests of this country in mind and would exercise his personal good judgment as a leader without the strings being pulled, he could overcome the antagonism of his role in the invasion. One thing in his favor is that Repubs are not so violently opposed to the war/invasion and would not hold that against him. Also, the man has incredible gravitas. It saddens me what he did, considering how much I have respected him in the past.

Al Sharpton, I think he has a remarkably sharp wit, but I can't take him seriously as a candidate because he makes me laugh too much and I prefer someone who doesn't make so many jokes. As for Jesse Jackson, I'd be glad to vote for him, he's one of my favorite people of all time, but first he'll have to come clean about some of his anti-gay people who are involved with his Rainbow coalition. Maybe I'm out of the loop on some information or something, but I've never understood why he didn't become a much honored political figure.

[sandnsea]

40. You are so wrong it's sick. Listen up

Hillary's white voters refuse to vote for a black man. Obama's black voters DO NOT refuse to vote for white men, white women, or anybody else.

Get the difference?

God I am so sick of the intentional ignorance with Hillary's supporters. I KNOW none of you are this fucking stupid.

KNOCK IT OFF.

[Straight Shooter]

41. Shut up, for once. n/t

[sandnsea]

42. Not fuckin' likely n/t

[gabby garcia]

56. +1! n/t

[EffieBlack]

43. No-if whites vote for Hillary because they won't vote for a black person, THAT'S racism

Voting for someone who is the same race that you are is not racism. Voting AGAINST someone because they're not the same race that you are IS racism.

By the same token, voting for someone because they're a woman is not sexism. Voting AGAINST someone because they're a woman IS sexism.

[Straight Shooter]

44. Which is why I'm curious as to those who would vote for Colin Powell.

Gawdamn this election has worn me out.

[Drunken Irishman]

68. That's just speculation, since no vote was cast.

We don't know how well he would have done in Kentucky or West Virginia. For all we know, he could have performed far worse than Obama. Yeah it looked like he was a popular pick, but back then polling wasn't nearly as deep as it is today and no election was held.

It's all speculation.

[VotesForWomen]

75. and when blacks won't vote for a white person if there's a black person in the race, that's racism.

[EffieBlack]

85. Do you mean "won't" vote or "don't" vote?

There is absolutely no evidence black voters won't vote for white candidates when black candidates are also running. In fact, just the opposite has been proven to be true time and again as blacks have consistently voted in overwhelming numbers in the past for white candidates even when black candidates were in the race. So the fact that in this race black voters are voting in large numbers for Barack Obama certainly doesn't mean that they "won't" vote for white candidates - it just means that in this instance black voters believe that Barack Obama is the better candidate.

To claim otherwise means that you believe, based on nothing more than the fact that the candidate they have chosen is black, that black voters suddenly turned racist in 2008 after decades of demonstrably non-racist voting behavior.

And if you believe that, you would also have to believe that white voters have been consistently racist in THEIR voting patterns in light of the fact that they have year after year after year voted in overwhelming numbers for white candidates - larger than the numbers of black voters voting for Obama - when black candidates were in the race

[stillcool]

47. If people are asked if their vote...

was determined by race..race is a factor. If people were asked if their vote was determined by gender, that would be a factor. Unfortunately black people have been voting for white people since they got the right to vote..without being killed in the process.

[Rockholm]

79. Sad but true.

[olkaz]

90. There is no double standard, and I'm tired of this faulty logic being trotted out.

There is a difference.

Black voters OVERWHELMINGLY supported Hillary before the primaries started. Obama went on to earn their support.

Get it? Or did the Appalachians support Obama first?

[avenger64]

34. No surprise, there.

He's been a shill for Obama since day one.

[vivalarevolucion77]

45. Matthews hating on Hillary? That's odd

How uncharacteristic of him.

[RL3AO]

51. I understand what he is saying and its something I've noticed.

No matter how white the crowd is, there is normally always a few blacks strategically placed so they are clearly in the background. Just like when you look at a poster with four people on it, there will almost always be a white man, white woman, black man, and black woman. Sometimes one is substituted for another race.

Or, if you look at a poster or a commercial of a family. How often does this family have one boy and one girl with the mom and dad to make the perfect family of four? 75% of the time? 80? Its not an accident.

If you look back at past speeches you will notice it.

Sometimes its a young person in a crown of old people. Not always on racial lines.

[aquarius dawning]

55. Obama and Co. got busted a while back positioning white males behind him for camera shots actually.

[RL3AO]

58. In SC or something?

[aquarius dawning]

62. Carnegie-Mellon University actually and it was a Michelle Obama event

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/we-need-more-wh.html

[aquarius dawning]

54. Is that a poke at her or at obama? Seems like that sword cuts two ways.

[quantass]

64. It's a shot at her and MSM -- Translation: Obama wins Whites hands-down across U.S. (link)

and to add proof here is the list of the whitest states in america and how Obama has won the majority of them:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/20/115022/033/755/518926

[CreekDog]

72. Matthews gets his shorts in a twist over certain things and takes them out on people

in this case, it was the Clinton campaign's use of race in their talking points that got to him, but what got to him even more was when one of her operatives went on his show and accused him of doing the exact same thing, which he was offended by (1. he didn't do it and 2. he never ever wants to be seen as anything but the unique :eyes: person that he really is).

so they screwed up with him and when you screw up with Matthews, he starts looking at you crosseyed and suddenly sees all your faults magnified a 1000 times.

that's what happened and tonight he said, "they are all white".

she could probably get her money back by suing her campaign for malpractice.

[Hardrada]

65. A Whiter Shade of Pale

We skipped the light fandango
Turned cartwheels cross the floor
I was feeling kinda seasick
But the crowd called out for more
The room was humming harder
As the ceiling flew away
When we called out for another drink
The waiter brought a tray

And so it was that later
As the miller told his tale
That her face, at first just ghostly,
Turned a whiter shade of pale
She said, there is no reason
And the truth is plain to see.
But I wandered through my playing cards
And would not let her be
One of sixteen vestal virgins
Who were leaving for the coast
And although my eyes were open
They might have just as wellve been closed
She said, Im home on shore leave,
Though in truth we were at sea
So I took her by the looking glass
And forced her to agree
Saying, you must be the mermaid
Who took neptune for a ride.
But she smiled at me so sadly
That my anger straightway died...

-Procul Harum

[Eric J in MN]

70. Has Chris Matthews ever said that about a Republican politician?

I didn't think so.

[VotesForWomen]

73. that's cuz black people are all voting based on race, so they were all with O.

[quantass]

78. Race has nothing to do with it -- check history...Blacks vote White in past primaries/GEs....

White Bigots, who have shockingly openly admitted to never voting for Obama because he is black, are for Hillary...That to me is the embarassing factor how one can hate another human being solely by the skin color. Never forget that Hillary carried the majority of blacks early in the contests and it wasnt until she interjected Race and going evil when things changed (send me a PM and i can give you a list of links which have been posted many times here).

So the real question...are you one of her bigot supporters because statistically there is a good chance you are ... but if you're not then please learn to write more objective commentary and leave silly season to Hillary.

[Zachstar]

81. disgusting post, Shame on you VotesForWomen!

[TexasObserver]

74. Hillary is running for Queen of the Confederate Ball

They have those, you know, in places where first cousins still marry.

[ShortnFiery]

83. Chris Matthews is CORRECT ... I searched during HRC's seemingly endless speech and could not see ONE

NON-WHITE person. :shrug:

On Edit: Tweety was commenting on HRC's crowd in Louisville, Kentucky last night. Not a "person of color" in the whole room. :wow:

[Zachstar]

92. Good point!

[LucyParsons]

84. This from the man who said after her first debate performance:

(paraphrasing)

"Well, that was a pretty good speech, I'm surprised; she didn't sound that shrill at all."

I HATE him.

(I also despise Hillary, but sexist commentary about her is unnecessary.)

[ShortnFiery]

86. But there was NOT one (1x) "Person of Color" at HRC's rally last night. That's an OBSERVATION

that can't be skewed as "sexist." :shrug:

[LucyParsons]

88. Yeah, well, whatever

I mean, I don't really care who was at Hillary's rally; I just had to chime in with some hate for Chris Matthews. I tend to ignore his comments, in general.

[crankychatter]

91. you're right, he's a prick and that "shrill" comment was uncalled for

I tolerate him when he supports liberals... I think he's gearing up for a political run...

he's still a hack

I'm in the bag for Obama... so if I can get a little positive press for the candidate... in THIS environment... I'm happy about it

Remember... he's one of the assholes that did the Rah Rah, go Team pre-invasion...

never trust any of them

[ElsewheresDaughter]

95. ~~~~**~~~~

[SeaLyons]

96. Chris Mathews hates Hillary....

he's written about his hatred for Hillary in his book(s). The whole MSNBC crew hate Hillary.
I really enjoy hearing them defend themselves when it comes to "pundit" comments. They'll even deny that they ever said Hillary should get out of the race. They are all a joke.