Florida and Michigan... it won't matter if they're included

[not_too_L8]

Florida, Michigan delegates most likely can't save Clinton
Associated Press
Published: Friday May 16, 2008

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If their elections had been held according to party rules, Michigan and Florida would have allocated a total of 313 pledged delegates based on the outcome of the vote. Using the results of the January elections, Clinton would get 178 to Obama's 67, giving her a 111-vote advantage. As of Thursday, she was behind 180 delegates, so that would not catch her up even under that unlikely scenario.

The plans before the committee will be more generous to Obama. The Michigan Democratic Party has proposed giving 69 of its 128 delegates to Clinton and 59 to Obama, an advantage of 10 delegates for Clinton.

A proposal from Florida would halve its 185 delegates. From that, Clinton would get 52.5 and Obama 33.5, a 19-delegate advantage for Clinton.

"I think it's a reasonable solution to the problem that was created, and my hope is that we'll be able to get past this and move on," said Allan Katz, an Obama supporter who serves on the panel but won't be able to vote on any Florida solution because he is from the state.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Florida_Michigan_delegates_most_likely_cant_0516.html

[Zachstar]

1. And there is no reason in hell they are going to ruin themselves for 2012 by seating them as is.

The plans they put forward are fine. And tho it may be trimmed to a point where Clinton can net 50 or so delegates overall. It will not be the knockout blow needed.

[TahitiNut]

2. One thing is certain - no matter WHAT lipstick they put on the pigs, Clintonistas will whine ...

... about the WouldaShouldaCoulda. If only we had the Republican rules! If only we didn't count caucuses! If only! If only! If only!

[iamjoy]

3. This Is Good News

As a Floridian, I was mighty ticked at the decision of my legislature, the maneuvering of my state party leaders and the collective punishment imposed by the DNC.

Strangely, I am perfectly fine with my vote "counting", but not making a difference. It is not just because I voted for Edwards the day before he dropped out. It is appropriate for Florida's (and Michigan) delegation(s) to be welcome, but as a largely symbolic presence that is irrelevant to the outcome. After all, the whole point in moving the primary was supposedly so we would have a voice since the primary was supposed to be all over by Super Tuesday. If we'd played by the rules and the nominee had been decided by Super Tuesday, we'd be in the same spot - just like we were in 2000 and 2004. The fact that in reality having scheduled a later primary would have gotten Democrats more attention is more than ironic - it's poetic justice.

[suston96]

4. "...won't matter..."? Then count them and seat them, as is. nt

[not_too_L8]

5. Michigan and Florida would have allocated a total of 313

Michigan and Florida would have allocated a total of 313 pledged delegates based on the outcome of the vote. Using the results of the January elections, Clinton would get 178 to Obama's 67, giving her a 111-vote advantage. As of Thursday, she was behind 180 delegates, so that would not catch her up even under that unlikely scenario.