Two in 10 whites said the race of the candidate was a factor in their vote......

[virtualobserver]

....and that was just the number who would admit it.
We should pander to white racists by giving them the whitest candidate possible.

[SeattleGirl]

1. You mean we should persuade Buchanan over to our side and

have him run? :rofl: :rofl:

[virtualobserver]

5. unless David Duke is available.

[SeattleGirl]

6. That would work too!

Or maybe he could be the veep pick! :crazy:

[TahitiNut]

2. Recruit Michael Jackson.

:evilgrin:

[dubeskin]

3. So perhaps

Obama needs to play Weird Al's "White and Nerdy" at every rally and come out with bling and all.

[dano81818]

4. that is mrs clinton's last stand argument

i hope everyone remembers this.,

[SeattleGirl]

9. And I would be willing to bet that if Hil were the nominee in the GE,

McCain would clean her clock in WVA, because a lot of those folks would also prefer a white MAN over a white WOMAN.

[greguganus]

7. and the other 8 out of 10 in WV didn't vote. n/t

[WildClarySage]

12. That's not true.

I did.

[jsmirman]

8. That is seriously depressing. That 2 in 10 are that racist that they would ADMIT it

doing the math, that just makes you sad.

[virtualobserver]

11. who knows how many are embarrassed to admit it

probably a big chunk of the voters.

I would be embarassed to have them as the foundation for my campaign.

[jsmirman]

15. It's just amazing when you think of how brazen it is to be like, "yep, I did vote for her

because I'm not keen on voting for a black man." 2 of 10 is a staggering result on this count. I can only hope it's a mistake.

[virtualobserver]

21. I doubt that it is a mistake

you have to wonder about the electorate here.

Obviously some time has passed since he was first elected but in in 1945 Robert Byrd wrote a letter to his Senator saying that he would rather die than see the United States “degraded by race mongrels.”

He expressed great regret for this later in life, but he said that this was the perspective of the people he grew up with in WV.

[greguganus]

62. Nothing can embarass Queen Shillary on her road to destroying the party. n/t

[Elspeth]

10. That means that for 80% race was NOT a factor.

Not perfect, but a lot better than 30 years ago.

[jsmirman]

13. Are you flipping serious???

Do you really look at that fact and come to that conclusion???

Un-freaking-believable.

That is the LAST thing that such a result means. Good God, this site will give me high blood pressure before I'm done.

[Elspeth]

25. That is what the math says. 80% said race was not a factor.

How do you see it?

(Or is the math only important when it refers to delegates?)

[jsmirman]

29. Ok, I'll try this patiently. Just because 20% actually say race was a factor in their vote

doesn't mean the 80% of people who did not give that response to an exit poller voted without regard to race.

1) of that 80% there is no way to tell how many of those people DID factor in race to their vote but were embarrassed to be so brazen as to say, "Yes, I did consider that he was a black person when I decided not to vote for him" and

2) even for the people who don't fall into the category directly above, there are undoubtedly people for whom race was a factor who aren't even consciously aware of it.

Do you get it now?

[Elspeth]

37. Ah, nothing like condescension to win people to your side

But math is math. 80% said that race was not a factor in their decision.

Now, if you would like to read into the motives of the people who answered the question, that's no longer math. And I don't do tea leaves or tarot cards. But you're welcome to do so.

[jsmirman]

49. Uh, you said "That means that for 80% race was NOT a factor."

That is simply not provable by the first fact.

Fine, you don't want condescension? You're being thick headed about this. Is that better?

You stated something as fact that was not at all shown by the first statement. And this is to say nothing about the fact that the first thing you said is nothing like the second thing you said.

You're just here to bait, though, apparently, not to understand. It's people like you who make the question "why do people support Hillary" easier to answer.

[virtualobserver]

14. it means that only 20% would admit it

if racism is deep enough that 20% would admit to it in an exit poll, I'm sure that the true number is much higher.

[Condem]

16. Virtual

90%. Easy.

[ShortnFiery]

17. AND 86% of those 2 in 10 WHITES voted for HRC.

:thumbsdown:

[Aloha Spirit]

18. It has been almost EXACTLY that in every exit poll in recent memory.

[lastliberalintexas]

19. How was the question worded?

If I had voted for Obama (rather than neither of the 2 remaining), my answer would have been that race was a factor. I could say similarly about Clinton, that sex would have been a factor. Indeed, the chance of having the first African American or female president is sometimes the only thing I can find appealing about their respective campaigns.

[virtualobserver]

24. in terms of Clinton, they didn't say that sex was a factor, they said race

[lastliberalintexas]

27. I think you misunderstood, I meant that would be MY response

If I had voted for either, race or gender would have played a factor in my decision to support one over the other, even though I would have been considering those things as positives. That's why I asked how the question was worded, whether the factor was seen as a negative, positive or neutral.

[virtualobserver]

28. I did understand that. you were expressing your own feelings...and in a positive way

I just can't see a way to describe poor, uneducated whites voting for a white person based on race as a positive regardless of the wording.

[lastliberalintexas]

31. Well, that still begs the question

of what can actually be inferred from that 2 in 10 number. Without additional information, we don't know if those 2 in 10 were actually Clinton or Obama voters. You are *assuming* that it was a negative, because you are assuming that it means that those 2 in 10 were whites who voted for Clinton. That might very well unfortunately be the case, but just based on what was in your OP we have no way of really understanding those responses.

[virtualobserver]

47. considering that Clinton won overwhelmingly overall.....

it would be quite a stretch to conclude that the whites who voted based on race were supporting Obama.

Unfortunately, the only additional detail that I had was that 68% of this group intended to vote for McCain in Nov. if Obama was the nominee.

[lastliberalintexas]

53. Yes, that would lead us to believe that race was considered as

a negative by those voters. Sad.

[spoony]

50. Excellent question.

The media don't like boring numbers, so it's not unreasonable to wonder how they worded things, perhaps to get some more "interesting" stories out of the polls.

[Stop Cornyn]

20. HEADLINE: Fully 80% of West Virginians Not Racist!

[Occam Bandage]

22. Correction: Fully 80% of West Virginians Not Openly Racist!

[virtualobserver]

26. Correction: Fully 80% of West Virginia Democrats Not Openly Racist!

God only knows about the Republicans

[spoony]

46. You can't just trust the numbers to the extent it is convenient for you.

I distrust most pollsters when it comes to things like this, but if you're going to use their numbers, it's dishonest to trust the end of the scale that supports your opinion whilst discrediting the other end.

[jsmirman]

51. Just what exactly are you talking about????

nm

[Butch350]

23. Two in 10 whites said the race of the candidate was a factor in their vote......

To those people...YOU ARE MORONS - with no exceptions. Total morons!

[Irishonly]

30. Tell them to vote for Barr N/T

[DogPoundPup]

39. even if Barr wasn't a factor in the G.E., the majority of 'her' voters there

I'd venture to say, have no intention of voting for her in Nov.

[Irishonly]

61. I Read Another Journal

about West Virginia and learned a great deal. I agree with you. I have never been to the state and to the best of my knowledge I don't know anyone from there. I live in CA which is certainly a safe state for democrats so I will not vote for her if somehow she manages to manipulate the nomination. I don't think I could if I lived in a swing state. My aversion to McCain is too great. I did not vote for Carter in 1980 and was punished for 12 years.

[Skip Intro]

32. Did they take a similar poll in SC? NC? Yeah, I'll pose the question:

What percentage of African Americans who voted in either state based their vote for Obama admitting that race was at least a factor?

I'm not trying to disparage any segment of our population, just throwing a mirror at those who can see 2 in 10 and extrapolate 8 in 10. Thereby sustaining the talking point that Hillary's supporters, and I'm proud to be one, are closet racists. That's the argument being presented here and the bots are eating it up like flies on ****.

This post is meant as a mirror for the eager vultures who don't know how to lose one.

[Condem]

34. You caught us, skip

Hillary will win.

[Skip Intro]

44. This thread isn't about winning or losing, it's about sliming Hillary supporters.

Some might call it sore loser syndrome.

[virtualobserver]

54. call it that if you like, but the 2 in 10 figure disturbs me

it disturbs me that Hillary seems to have an advantage when racism rears its ugly head.

When Ed Rendell said in Pennsylvania that "You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate,"....that depressed me.

When I read the "2 in 10 whites" exit poll, that depressed me also.

[Condem]

58. Because you won West Virginia?

By all means, have it.

[Patsy Stone]

33. Maybe those are the ones who voted for Obama?

Did they say race was a negative factor? Since he lost by a large margin, perhaps the majority voting for Hillary didn't care, but a small number did and voted for Obama because of his race.

Just thinking out loud.

[ShortnFiery]

35. No, the next comment was that 86% of those 2 and 10 who chose RACE as a factor voted for HRC.

:thumbsdown:

[Patsy Stone]

38. Oh

Booo.

[kirby]

36. WV is only 2% black. Impossible n/t

[Condem]

40. 4%.

Tops.

[kirby]

45. That family just moved after tonights results... Back down to 2%

Just kidding.

Thanks for the correction. According to the exit polls, it was 3% who voted.

[Condem]

48. Thanks, Kirby

It would pain me (pain me, I say) to have to put WV on my return envelopes.

[Patsy Stone]

41. There are some white people who voted for Obama too.

But as I read the other response, it's not the case anyway, so the point is moot.

[TexasObserver]

42. headline: "20% Admit Race a Factor; Other 80% Lie About It"

[Zachstar]

43. Its digusting. The videos from the lead up to this Clinton victory will prove just how bad things

Are.

This is by far one of the saddest days for democrats this run. Because the worst has been laid out for all to see.

I do not want WV in November. McCain can have them.. Obama's time is better spent on reasonable states like AZ and La

[Jamastiene]

52. And according to you 0bots, the other 8 are racist too. n/t

[virtualobserver]

56. I wouldn't say that, but I would say that there were some closet racists who wouldn't admit it

[graycem]

55. MSNBC

said exit polls show 51% said they would vote for Obama in the GE, 29% McCain, and something like 18% said they would sit at home. So, maybe if he can work out a deal to help with her debt, she and Bill will go in and campaign for him in places like this and Pennsylvania more. :shrug:

[Catherina]

57. We shouldn't pander to racism. It offends me when we do BUT

we pander to everything else. War, death, economic enslavement :shrug: We've been pandering to White racists for over 200 years, what else is really new here?

The problem with us is we try to be all things to all people which puts us in an impossible situation. The Republicans can get away with vicious talk because they barely try to hide what they are and unite people around the lowest common denominators everyone can agree on. What have we got?

If our party had consistently tried to represent good I don't think we'd be in this mess. Now it's kind of stuck pandering in every direction.

I'm sad race is a factor in this election but so is sex. Both are unfair. The good news is we've come a very LONG way and the rest of the way won't be take too long if we pay more attention to education. It's all exposed for everyone to look at right now and America's going to be doing a lot of soul searching.

Obama's going to win and things will change. He's appealeing to people's higher instincts with intelligence and grace. A percentage won't respond and they'll leave the party. Good riddance to them so we never see pandering to hateful instincts again.

[virtualobserver]

59. I agree, but I would feel better if Hillary wasn't playing to this crowd

Your post made me feel a lot better....Thank you.

[Catherina]

60. I wish she wasn't either

This afternoon there was an unfortunate misunderstanding in a thread. It got cleared up just as the mod was locking it but it reminded me we're not each others enemy and I remembered how politicians have always played the race card. They do it all over the world, divide to conquer.


It's very hard to compete with Obama's charisma and idealism especially when Hillary has belligerence towards the Middle East hanging over her head at a time when most of the populace is angry about the Iraq war. I'm glad my post made you feel better. Here's to education so the next generations can argue more about the content of the character than the external wrappings :hug: