??? BUY HER OUT!!! ??? Wait just a goddamned minute, bub

[NoFederales]

I, and tens of thousands of others, did NOT contribute money to support Obama so that Clinton can pay her bills, be bought off, or reimbursed for her self-made contributions to her own campaign. This is a righteous rant that I can hardly put words to, a scald that cannot be quenched or soothed. Do not do it, Obama.

Furthermore, Clinton does not have owed to her any participation in an Obama Administration. Talk about a clusterfuck of styles and machinations going on while trying to build his own program? Why not a drought of hemlock just to cinch the scenario?

There are winners and losers in all walks of life. Indeed, in our sport cliche soaked, and besotted, culture, winners and losers go on with their gaming contests. Rules and referees notwithstanding, are we going to start do-overs simply because the losers "deserve" more. I've stood on the field, experienced heart-wrenching championship defeat--it hurts; but, life is about experience, not a tally card. Nobody is owed anything. Nobody has a "legacy" that must be preserved. A victor can be gracious, or not, but he is not expected to be a grief counselor.

NoFederales

[burythehatchet]

1. While I agree with your sentiment 100%, here's another way to look at it

How much money will he have to spend to keep fighting her?

[Bodhi BloodWave]

6. i somewhat agree with you

I don't think he should pay all her debts tho, he should pay all the small people she has been stiffing during this election by not paying her debts to them(schools, small companies, food providers) since they actually need the money and they provided a valuable service, what he should NOT pay for her is her loans to herself(I'd also say don't pay Penn's wages thats still unpaid).

Paying the people is a good thing to do i think and in line with the democratic parties values, its also very good PR for him and something that might help healing somewhat

[burythehatchet]

13. That is a fantastic idea. I hope they are considering it. I'm sure the Saudi's

and the Chinese will replenish the Clinton coffers.

[Boz]

14. ABsolutely retiring non personal, campaign related debt. The loans are hers to deal with

But debt load to all the Americans that provided service in good faith and are still waiting, no question

[Shae]

31. That's an excellent idea.

I would be okay with paying any schools and small business owner for debts she incurred before May 6.
Not one penny to pay Mark Penn or the money she lent herself.

[TexanDem]

39. I strongly disagree with this idea. Hill & Bill have plenty money. They can pay for it.

[Boz]

10. I agree I did Donate to Obama to help him become our next president

If thats a debt that needs to be negotiated and paid to remove the garbage that is in the way to get him to the nom, then my money was used for what I donated it for.

No different than paying to take out the trash after a party.

[SKKY]

35. I don't think we need to spend another dime...

...she's done. Toast. A non-factor at this point. Save it for McCain. Let her followers foot the bill.

[roguevalley]

42. she's a zillionaire. taking money from poor and low income and

middle class people donating it for the Obama campaign is welfare for the rich. when you run a race, you take your chances and she should have to eat her losses. she hired mark penn. why should we have to pay for that. I hope it doesn't happen.. Since when are we responsible for this and why the FUCK to RICH people need to SCREW lower income people so that they can have MORE FUCKING MONEY THEN THEY CAN SPEND?!? Give ME the fucking money. Why should she have one more nickel? Bill can go to Dubai and give five or six speeches and have it all back. Not. a. good. idea. at. all.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Why Do You Want To Drive The Poor Woman Into Poverty?

:sarcasm:

But, I'm sure that some Uzbeki "businessman" will give Bill a duffel bag of cash that will retire her debt.

[ellacott]

3. I'm also not that pleased with the idea

One pundit said that it was done quite frequently(I didn't know that). He also said that if it would help her to go away quietly and have her campaign for him and try to bring the party together it might be the price that has to be paid.

I don't know if I agree with this pundit.

[rocktivity]

4. I doubt it would even be legal

I think it's a rumor planted in the media--no one's confirmed it.

:headbang:
rocknation

[NJmaverick]

5. Rich People.... God (and it looks like Obama supporters) Bless Them

I didn't give Obama my hard earned cash, just to see it go to the ultra wealthy

[MaineDem]

7. Where is this coming from? n/t

[NoFederales]

15. I saw it at TPM this morning, and choked, literally. nt

NoFederales

[MaineDem]

16. Yikes!

Thanks.

[Holly_Hobby]

8. Where did you hear/see this? Thanks. n/t

[WeDidIt]

9. I wrote the campaign and told then not another dime

until they take this option off the table.

I don't donate a lot, but I've been making small donations since February 10,2007.

[reflection]

11. Nicely summed up. k/r.

[Stop Cornyn]

12. Hillary bought out Vilsack so she naturally assumes that's how one hand washes the other

[AllexxisF1]

17. There is no way in hell he is going to give her one dime.

People do not fall for this garbage.

Obama needs every dime he has for the general election and he is not about to bail out a candidate that worth over 100 million dollars. Just squash this talk because it is only going to hurt our nominee.

[shaniqua6392]

18. This is not unheard of in politics.

It may happen. They are probably negotiating it right now behind closed doors. He may also have to offer the VP slot to her to garner her votes or he may lose the GE. I know people here on DU do not want to hear it, but it is a distinct possibility. The average voter in the Democratic Party is not adverse to them teaming up either.

[Holly_Hobby]

19. I heard Tim Russert bring it up on MSNBC after the primary

It was around 12:30am.

I thought I misheard at first - and then a friend told me he heard the DLC would pay her off, not Obama.

I KNEW he said Obama, not DLC.....

[mod mom]

22. Huff Po & TPM have also commented (Against it):

Terms, II
05.07.08 -- 11:01PM By Josh Marshall


According to the Huffington Post's Tom Edsall and a number of others, one of the possibilities in the offing if Hillary Clinton quickly ends her presidential campaign is that the Obama campaign will not only retire the $10 to $15 million in unpaid campaign related expenses the Clinton campaign owes but will also help the Clinton campaign pay back to the Clintons personally the $11.4 million they have loaned to the campaign during the last three months.

Helping to retire an opponent's campaign is not unprecedented and can sometimes be justified in the interests of party unity. (Remember, this isn't just money in the abstract. A lot of it is payment to people who provided services or goods of various sorts to the campaign and need to be paid or paid back.) But using more than $10 million raised in large part by small individual donations to pay back the Clintons who appear to be worth many tens of millions of dollars simply seems wrong.

This isn't meant to sound ungracious. I don't begrudge the Clintons their very substantial wealth. And even for really, really rich people, $11 million isn't nothing. But that is simply too much money raised from small givers to give to people who loaned it with full knowledge of the odds and have more than enough money to really know what to do with.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/193872.php

[NoFederales]

23. Ol' Pumpkin Head, huh? I might concede something to make HIM go away.

I don't believe I will ever be able to watch another "debate" hosted by Russert, or Williams, hell, ANY of the network TV/Cable hosts, or their propagandized, low info "newscasts". Journalism is in such a shitty, toxically ignorant state............

NoFederales

[newmajority]

30. Let fucking Timmywhore pay her debt then

GE pays him enough money to lie. He can afford it.

[stillcool]

20. I do not want my donations used...

in any way to help the Clinton's. If the Clinton's want the American people to pay them to go away, they should ask us themselves. "Pay us or else".

[mudesi]

21. I hope she goes bankrupt (nm)

[WA98296]

24. Exactly! Couldn't agree more.

[Bensthename]

25. I will ask for my money back. I'm not paying for her Bin Laden/warmongering commercials..

[keep_it_real]

26. Does the law allow such?

[BigD_95]

27. Im against it

He doesnt need to pay anything. Everyone knows its over. Its just a matter of time.

[nomorewhopper]

28. instead of paying for ads that can help us win the GE, we're going to pay off Hillary's debt?!?!?!

ugh, this really stings especially since most of her cash went directly into attack ads that criticized obama

[MessiahRp]

29. Not to mention she keeps borrowing more of her own money to hurt him by continuing her campaign...

even knowing she's finished, she'll keep running and keep loaning herself money which only increases how much an Obama payoff would be.

Paying off her loans rewards her for continuing to campaign against him in the face of certain defeat.

I say fuck her. Let her campaign go until the end so she can hang her political career and let her take the financial hit for choosing to fund her campaign with her own money for absolute reasons of ego over reality.

Rp

[high density]

32. Why in the hell is everybody talking like this is a done deal?

This is crap that was floated on TV by talking heads that were filling time with speculation. Then the blogs picked up the idea. The Obama campaign hasn't said anything like this so I think everybody just needs to calm a down for a "goddamned minute."

[Yael]

38. No one thinks it is a done deal, but it is viral now. It is imperative that the Obama Campaign

address it one way or another.

[backscatter712]

33. RUMOR CONTROL, AGAIN: Has Obama or his staffers said they were going to do this?

Post a LINK if they have.

Otherwise, I'm going to assume that this is nothing but rumors courtesy of random bloggers, net.idiots and TV bobbleheads speculating on how things are going to end.

Which means people are being hysterical over nothing.

[MindMatter]

36. No, this is more of the endless MSM bullshit

With each passing day, there is less and less of a reason for Obama to do anything. Notice that while she is desperately campaigning in the 3 remaining states today, Obama is back in Washington. Why, because that's where the SDs are, mostly. And that is where all the people are who can make the "late night visit" on the Clintons to tell them they have taken this far enough and now must end it.

From this point forward, Obama will only be "campaigning" to the extent that helps him assemble and inspire teams on the ground in each state laying the foundation for November. Look for him to not even mention Clinton anymore. This will all be able t Obama versus McCain.

He held out the opportunity to her to end this graciously on Tuesday night. She responded by ratcheting up the racist dialog. Screw her. I agree with you. Not a penny of my contributions to Obama should go to that woman.

[NoFederales]

37. After 7+ years of BUSH and a BUSH-LIKE CLINTON campaign--

shit has a way of happening. And for the many of us who have seen it develop time and again, it's far from hysterical, it's more like triage from a preemptive strike, or a horrible series of misfortunate deja vu--it is hard to explain, but that ingrained mistrust is nothing to deride.

You are correct that we are privy to no news as yet, but calling BS in political bloodsport, PREEMPTIVELY, sometimes aborts the issue before conceptualization complicates the subsequent procedures.

NoFederales

[Shae]

34. The Clintons made the bad decision

to invest in Hillary's candidacy. There's no reason why Obama and his supporters should have to bail them out now.
I've heard that the Obama campaign isn't scrabbling for its checkbook, so this discussion is probably just more garbage being bandied around in the MSM.

[shellgame26]

40. unFREAKINbelivable!

Has this woman no shame??? If there are any Hillary supporters left out there I would like to hear your reaction about this. BUt I suspect They'll all remain silent and rightfully so. My God! Talk about a frickin' sense of entitlement! Barack Obama should pay her bills??? I can't believe this is the shit coming from the hillary camp

[TexanDem]

41. THIS IS GENERATED BY MEDIA PUNDITS. NOT CAMPAIGN

I called the Chicago headquarters and asked. Made a new thread about it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5885298

[Rose Siding]

43. It's extortion.

and I don't believe he'll do it.