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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:31 AM
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Poll question: Kantor vs. Wright: who will end up hurting their candidate more?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:32 AM
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1. Depends on if the m$m decides to follow the story; I have my doubts. nt
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:53 AM
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5. The MSM will suddenly discover decency, and low-key this semi-story...
...but right now? I am thinking that a few Indiana SDs will declare for Obama in the next few days. I believe it will be impossible for all Indianans to ignore the matter.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:32 PM
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14. there is no story regarding Kantor, or rather the story is he/Clinton's campaign were saying Indiana
doesn't matter.

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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:35 AM
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2. I agree. I think the MSM will cover for Kantor. They probably say the same things in private. n/t
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:35 AM by invictus
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:36 AM
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3. that's a no brainer..
one guy is private citizen..a black pastor, the other guy is a well connected long term member of the Clinton team..obviously the Black Pastor is far more detrimental..than a Clinton Insider who was intimate with the Clinton's on a daily basis.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:46 AM
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4. yep
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:13 AM
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6. Given that the Kantor video is fake, but Wright is all too real...
Dream on, Obamapaths!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:08 PM
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10. Fake? You crack me up!!
ABC has it...
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch
.........but I do prefer this story....

AG: Recent Robo-Calls On Voting Info. Are Illegal

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 - 10:00 PM Updated: 11:18 PM

By Steve Sbraccia
General Assignment Reporter
WNCN-TV

RALEIGH, N.C. -- Thousands of North Carolinians have received automated phone calls in the last few days that state officials said broke the law

As the complaints began to pile up, those cataloging them began to notice a pattern where certain groups seemed to be targeted.The situation was brought to the attention of Attorney General Roy Cooper’s office. He said those automated phone calls are illegal.

“They don't identify the group sponsoring the call, nor do they give the recipient info as to who they need to contact to stop the calls from coming,” said Cooper.
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“A lot of the complaints came from African-American voters,” said Chris Kromm of the Institute for Southern Studies. “When ee heard a lot of the complaints were coming from African-Americans, that really raised a red flag for us.”

Kromm also said the institute's research indicates the Women's Voice group has a number of interesting connections to Bill Clinton.

“They claim they're a non-profit, non partisan organization. But, its president is a recent donor to Hill-Pac, a big Hillary funding group. The executive director worked for Bill Clinton in his ‘92 campaign and the lawyer for the organization is the lawyer who defended Clinton during the impeachment crisis in
the 90's,” said Kromm


FACING SOUTH EXCLUSIVE:
D.C. nonprofit aimed at women voters behind deceptive N.C. robo-calls
By Chris Kromm
Facing South

The D.C.-based nonprofit, led by well-connected Washington operatives, claims in a press release they sent to Facing South that the North Carolina calls are part of a 24-state effort targeted at a list of 3 million voters, especially unmarried women. The robo-calls, which never mention Women's Voices, are followed by mailings that include information on how to register to vote. They plan to mail some 276,000 packets in North Carolina alone.

But since last November, in at least 11 states nationwide, Women's Voices -- sometimes working through its Voter Participation Center project -- has developed a checkered reputation, drawing rebukes from leading election officials and complaints from thousands of would-be voters as a result of their secretive tactics, deceptive mailings and calls, and penchant for skirting or violating the law. For example:

* In Arizona last November, election officials were "inundated with complaints" after Women's Voices sent a mailing erroneously claiming that recipients were "required" to mail back an enclosed voter registration form. Many who received the mailing were already registered; the mailing also gave the wrong registration date. Secretary of State Jan Brewer denounced the group's tactics as "misleading and deceptive." A similar mailing in Colorado that month " fire and caused confusion," according to a state press release.

* In Wisconsin, state officials singled out Women's Voices for misleading and possibly disenfranchising voters, stating in a press release : "One group in particular -- Women's Voices. Women Vote, of Washington, D.C. -- apparently ignored or disregarded state deadlines in seeking to register voters,"
sending in registrations past the January 30 deadline and causing "hundreds of Wisconsin voters who think they registered in advance" to actually not be.

* Michigan officials ended up "fielding tons of calls from confused voters" after Women's Voices did a February mailing to "380,000 unmarried women" -- including numerous deceased voters and even more that were already registered. Sarah Johnson of Women's Voices "seemed confused by the confusion," the Lansing
State Journal reported.

* A 1.5 million-piece Women's Voices mailing in Florida falsely stated: "To comply with state voting requirements, please return the enclosed application." Pasco County's elections supervisor called it "disingenuous"; another said it created "a lot of unnecessary panic on behalf of the voters," reported local newspapers. Sarah Johnson of Women's Voice said, "I'm sorry to hear that."

* By March, Women's Voices was backing off the erroneous "registration is required" language, but there were still problems. For example, a mailing in Arkansas allowed that "registering to vote is voluntary," but a clerk in Washington County reported that "the majority sent back to the county come from registered voters, causing needless labor for office employees."

Problems with the group's tactics have also been documented in Louisiana, Kentucky and Ohio.In each state, the Women's Voices campaigns have brought the same news and the same themes, again and again: Deceptive claims and misrepresentations of the law -- sometimes even breaking the law. Wildly inaccurate mailing lists, supposedly aimed at "unregistered single women," but in reality reaching many registered voters as well as families, deceased persons and pets. Tactics that confuse voters and potentially disenfranchise them.

For such a sophisticated and well-funded operation, which counts among its ranks some of the country's most seasoned political operatives, such missteps are peculiar, as is the surprise expressed by Women's Voices staff after each controversy.

http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/04/facing-south-exclusive-dc-nonprofit.asp
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:56 AM
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7. Weird how Obamanoids are always putting up polls they can Obamanize to help them feel better.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:56 AM by Seabiscuit
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:58 AM
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9. Obamanize LOL - that is a new one on me.
funny
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:46 PM
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18. "Obamanized" is the GDp equivalent of "freeped"
Edited on Fri May-02-08 02:47 PM by Seabiscuit
As in: "this poll has been Obamanized!"

:)
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:57 AM
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8. you people wish LOL... the kantor thing is fake and will get shut DOWN
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:17 PM
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19. Kantor's already said he's going to track down the asshole responsible for this fake and sue
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:09 PM
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11. Sidney Blumenthal and robo calls n/t
Edited on Fri May-02-08 12:10 PM by ProSense
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:21 PM
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12. This poll is hilarious. If you need any more proof of overwhelming Obamabias on this forum..
here it is.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:29 PM
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13. Other - I have intentionally ignored the "news" for a couple of days and have no fucking idea
What the "Kantor" thing is about, nor do I care.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:36 PM
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15. Wright
For those inclined to view the Kantor story in its worst light, it really does not change their view of Clinton. The Wright story as it is being portrayed runs in stark contrast to the general view of Obama. In other words, Clinton is viewed so unfavorably by all but her supporters that there just is not much more room for damage by a story like this.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:37 PM
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16. Neither.
What the media does determines what hurts candidates.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:39 PM
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17. Duh... one is a month-long media shit storm; the other a nothing story
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:18 PM
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20. lol at the results
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:19 PM
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21. How do you hurt a campaign that's already lost?
:shrug:
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:20 PM
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22. The GOP Rove Machine doesnt care
Both have received a direct hit, that is all that counts...GOP have too much to lose, war profits, oil profits as well as getting away with Crimes...they have scored a direct hit, and we are aiding them. How does it feel to be used?
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