When did you first suspect that Obama was going to be a huge disappointment?

[lwcon]

For Prof. Adolph Reed, it was over a decade ago:

"I’ve never been an Obama supporter. I’ve known him since the very beginning of his political career, which was his campaign for the seat in my state senate district in Chicago. He struck me then as a vacuous opportunist, a good performer with an ear for how to make white liberals like him. I argued at the time that his fundamental political center of gravity, beneath an empty rhetoric of hope and change and new directions, is neoliberal."

For me, it was June 29, 2006, when I first read the speech Obama made at the "Building a Covenant for a New America" conference. And the sense that he speaks for me -- a lifetime progressive Democrat -- has grown more remote ever since.

Where were you when you knew?

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[Kittycat]

1. Still crying that Clinton peed in your wheaties?

:rofl:

The only disappointment I have is how HRC is trying to turn this party in to the GOP.

[LakeSamish706]

4. The other disappointment that I have are those that post stupid fucking...

OP's like this one.... Not sure what the point of the OP really is other than to continue to show how screwed up there candidate really is.

[lwcon]

29. I admit that when Hillary went on Fox News

I was really disappointed to hear her use disparaging terms like "Chablis-drinking limousine liberals," and I was shocked that she said "I think there are a whole host of areas where Republicans in some cases may have a better idea."

Oh, wait, that was Obama who said that stuff.

Still, of course, she deserves our scorn for trying to turn the Democratic Party into the GOP... by having a virtually identical voting record to Obama's.

Once you've had your MDA of reflexive "Hillary is a Republican" malarkey (washes down pretty good with Kool-Aid), you might try noticing that the most Rovian thing to happen -- by far -- in the Democratic Primary is the Obama campaign's scorched-earth smearing of the Clintons, painting them as racists for using terms like "fairy tale" and for praising LBJ.

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[YDogg]

2. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[xchrom]

3. using the lgbtiq community

in sc to further his campaign.

he is no friend to the lgbtiq community at all.

[leftofcool]

5. Obama first became a disappointment to me

whe he gave that wonderful speech on being against the war, then turned around and later said, "I don't know how I would have voted if I had been in the Senate."

[unc70]

60. Can anyone prove he even gave that speech.

His attacks on Boomers started it for me.

Only recently did I realize that the 2002 speech is a recollection and which was recreated in 2007!

His Selma speech last in 2007 pushed it along.

[dbmk]

62. It is not all just recollection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1LhCch-JEo

[unc70]

68. "The Speech" on October 2, 2002 before the debate,votes,uproar

There are 14 seconds of some speech; your video of those brief seconds is labeled Oct 26, 2002. The NY Times reported in early 2007 that the sound on this snippet could not be used and even it had to be recreated, crowd noises and all.

To save wasted effort, the earliest text version of the Obama's recollection of his remarks was from the time of this later rally. There are several alternate versions floating around with various enhancements such as a couple of sentences about not finding WMDs.

[dbmk]

61. That came while Kerry was trying to become president

He was as loyal as he could be to the presidential nominee.

If I recall correctly, other people in the party had bigger problems being loyal at all.

[JoFerret]

125. That was a classic

We will here more of that if he becomes the nominee.

[MADem]

6. McClurkin. NT

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

13. That one hurt, definitely.

It felt like we'd been set back 20 years on the spot, when it comes to civil rights for all. And, the embracing of the worst elements of fundamentalism.

[PurityOfEssence]

75. That did it: naked opportunism, cynical religion-greasing and the race card

I don't look at that so much as "the McClurkin" incident as I do the "40 Days of Faith" incident. McClurkin was just an inconvenient accident of sucking up to the gospel community to remind the locals that he was "one of them", and the overt use of religion was nauseating, underhanded, cheap, shrill and sanctimonious.

The handling of it as an out-Hillarying of Hillary herself: trying to be on both sides of the issue by putting a gay preacher on the bill to somehow "balance" it, but the deliberate cold shoulder to the offered prominent gay black preachers in favor of a white one was a transparent pandering to the racist element in the community whose support he sought. This was foul and amateurish.

He bungled the whole thing and brassed it out as a "fuck you" to anyone with a scrap of decency, and it showed nothing more than cold, hard, Machiavellian selfishness.

"Present" votes, changing and convenient stances on the IWR, ducking of votes on the Iran Sense of the Senate while slagging Clinton for it, sucking up to power by voting against capping credit card interest at 30% and other moves just solidified the perception that he's basically a serial maneuverer. As such, he's FAR too like Senator Clinton, and he doesn't do it as well.

Someone with such a slim and VERY evasive record shouldn't sling as much mud as he does, yet he does.

Neither is much good; either is infinitely better than a Republican. Some choice.

[Lucinda]

121. Yup.

[patrice]

7. HC sold us into War because she planned to run for pResident. THAT was disappointing. nt

[rodeodance]

103. Obama funds the war He has blood on his hands

[my3boyz]

8. When did he first suspect that Obama was going to kick Hillary's ass? nt

[KittyWampus]

9. my disappointment w/Hillary Clinton goes back decades and feds a permanent

sense of betrayal.

I may have issues with Obama, and larger issues with his campaign right now, but that pales in comparison to the betrayal we have experienced over these last 20 years at the hands of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

[marions ghost]

47. "betrayal" = word

:applause:

[lapfog_1]

10. I'm sure you are much happier with

Hillary, seeing how she is all progressive and peace lovin and stuff.

:sarcasm:

[JoFerret]

100. Actually, yes

because I do think she will end this war.

And Obama has no chance of doing that whatever he may want to do (whatever that is.)

[TLM]

114. SO you like mommy hillary to slap you in the face....

because you know later she'll kiss it better and give you a cookie?

[QC]

11. McClurkin. n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

16. Seconded. nt

[racaulk]

24. Same here. n/t

[susankh4]

101. Me too.

[JimGinPA]

12. When did you first suspect that Hillary was going to be a huge dishonest panderer?

President Obama. Get used to it.

[Armstead]

14. I started out disappointed, but have come to respect him a lot more

Obama is a moderate. I wish he were more staunchly liberal and/or progressive. My political compass is towards Kucinich and Bernie Sanders, but Edwards was my initial "mainstream" choice.

Obama became my default candidate as the only "unClinton" remaining. Lukewarm at forst, I have come tro recognize that while he is not as overtly progressive as I'd prefer, I think he does "get it" and offers the best chance in the current climate to nudge the nation back into a more progressive/liberal direction.

[marions ghost]

51. Agreed

My opinion of Obama has gone up since the campaign got intense. I was also an Edwards supporter and a bit skeptical of Obama (was never for Hillary). But Obama has demonstrated very clearly that he is up to the challenge and has much to offer in these troubled times.

We are all so shell-shocked from the abuses of Bush & the Neocons and disappointments of the congressional Dems --that it's hard to get behind any candidate in a big way. But Obama has proven that his heart is in the right place and I think he could be a uniter. Our best chance in the current climate is a realistic view, IMO.

[FlaGranny]

87. Heard some republican ad

that claimed Obama was the most liberal in the Senate. Of course, to them that was a smear.

[Raine]

93. Me too cause I was for Edwards

when he dropped out I went to Obama cause he wasn't Clinton. The more I have seen of Obama the more I like him and feel he will do a great job as president of our country! :bounce:

[axollot]

106. Thats me to a T! Kucinich, but favored Edwards....

jumped on with Obama and do think he 'gets' it - more than anyone else with a stones throw chance at the presidency!

Cheers
Sandy

[Breeze54]

15. When did you stop beating your wife?

:eyes:

[democrattotheend]

17. He hasn't disappointed me

My respect for him has grown stronger as this campaign has gone on.

[powergirl]

18. Oh wow, a push poll

These are those stupid push poll questions that the Republicans and Clinton like to "survey" with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got this BS when my republican Congressman sent me a push poll asking shit like "when did you realize that Victor Morales (his opponent) was anti-American." Give me a freakin' break.

I have been disappointed in the Clinton Campaign since South Carolina. So let me ask you this, When did you realize that the Clintons were running a Republican styled campaign? Let me know. :popcorn:

[lwcon]

35. Here's when I knew this was a GOP-style campaign

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/203

and

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304


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[Larkspur]

19. For me it started after he got into the US Senate and he kept drifting rightward ever since

I've been in the process since his Sunday Faux News appearance writing a letter telling him how outraged I am at his willingness to use fascist terms to denigrate Democrats and liberals on Faux News. He insulted my late mother and father, who were life long Democrats and liberals, and every Democrat and liberal in this nation. I'm demanding a public apology from him to all Democrats for playing the Faux News bash a Democrat and liberal game. Hillary is not the only Democrat who needs to heal divisions within the Democratic Party. Obama does too.

FYI to all you Obama-bots: I voted for Obama in CT's Feb. 5th primary, but I was voting more against Hillary than for Obama. I don't like the flavor of the kool-aid Obama-bots drink.

[lastliberalintexas]

28. Amen

Clinton's Iran comments have pushed me more towards being an Obama "supporter" than just a D voter in Nov, but I'm still not happy with much of what he's done either.



Though I think the article quoted in the OP is akin to the right wing hit pieces about cocaine and Vince Foster that some Obama supporters post about Clinton, and I like it just as little.

[Avalux]

20. These posts from Hillary zealots give me great amusement.

Thank you for stepping up to the plate yet again! :rofl:

[Larkspur]

22. Not all are from Hillary zealots. I'm an Anybody but Hillary and Repuke Democrat

and I'm disappointed in Obama.

[cyberswede]

30. same here

I was actually quite disappointed with Obama's big healthcare speech at the University of Iowa on May 29th last year - and I was sitting 15 feet away from him at the time. It wasn't him I was disappointed in, per se, but the healthcare proposal itself. I still don't like it very much.

I dislike Hillary intensely (I supported Edwards), and I'm only luke warm toward Obama.

I will vote for the nominee in November, but not with much enthusiasm.

[lwcon]

38. Healthcare, definitely

A big disappointment for me was his "Audacity" book (or as much as I could stand reading):

http://www.correntewire.com/the_audacious_book_salon_chapter_one_and_done

It really pissed me off to hear him cite "socialized medicine" as an example of extremist liberal policy.

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[Skittles]

122. it amuses me you think anyone not enthralled with Obama is a Hillary zealot

that simply is NOT TRUE

[IsItJustMe]

21. Piss off Rush.

[lwcon]

44. I'm not the one who says shit like

"I think there are a whole host of areas where Republicans in some cases may have a better idea."

I'm a liberal Democrat and have been my whole life, and through this entire campaign Obama has never come close to "asking for my vote."

He keeps making dogwhistles to Christianists and Reaganites, and he constantly puts down the "bickering" progressive partisans of the 60s and 90s.

If you like the sound of that stuff, Rush might be a good program for you.

Also, Obama's divisive campaign has armies of Democrats accusing fellow Democrats of being Republicans. That's some unity in action!

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[lwcon]

37. Gosh, I wonder what your post looked like before you edited it! n/t

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[npincus]

25. your meds are calling you.

[Marie26]

26. The debates

Umm.... ahhh... {insert talking point here}. The McClurkin/ neoliberal advisor thing sealed the deal. That quote is kind of scary & confirms a lot of my suspicions.

[Lerkfish]

27. plonk

[QC]

56. Person of Little Or No Knowledge. n/t

[AZBlue]

110. I like that!

Never heard it before, but will remember it.

[TooBigaTent]

31. When he embraced homosexual-hatred, indicated he wanted repuke votes more than

traditional Democratic ones, and showed that he was in no way a liberal.

He and his hero Raygun make a good pair - communicating nothing but a false image.

[CakeGrrl]

32. Hey, it's another Clinton push-poll! More HRC-style politics that turn the SD's OFF!

[Maribelle]

33. By comparing his 'one speech' to others given at the same time.

It was obvious to me Obama was taking other's thoughts and pretending they were his. He peppered his speech with 'I knew', but was unable back up the 'I knew' with how he knew, and to this day has not been able to say how he knew.

[Hepburn]

34. I have never been a HilLIARy supporter, so I have never been disappointed...

...that Obama beat her lying ass for the 2008 Dem nomination.

It must suck to be a sore loser like you.

[Skittles]

123. AW! You're using her name to call her a liar! So CLEVER!

SO FREEPER-LIKE :puke:

[Bluenorthwest]

36. Three things

A trinity of moments, Obama's vote for the Patriot Act extention, his vote for Cheney's Energy Bill and McClurkin/Caldwell. To me he and Hillary are the same in many ways, and voting for either will be an act of Party loayalty and nothing more.

[democrattotheend]

So who are you voting for in the primary?

[democrattotheend]

83. So who are you voting for in the primary?

[Triana]

39. "When did you stop beating your wife? " SAME type of question.

FAIL.

[lwcon]

130. So much talk about wife beating

From Hillary Haters. How unexpected.

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[Mezzo]

40. OBama's the DLC candidate, and everybody who knows anybody knows that.

they project.

[Name removed]

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[Romulox]

49. Meet Austan Goolsbee (Barack Obama's chief economic advisor)!

Barack Obama gets his economic policy straight from the DLC! :hi:

Austan Dean Goolsbee is an economist and is currently the Robert P. Gwinn Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business. He is also a Research Fellow at the American Bar Foundation<1>, Research Associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts<2>, and a member of the Panel of Economic Advisors to the Congressional Budget Office.<3> He has been Barack Obama's economic advisor since Obama's successful U.S. Senate campaign in Illinois. He is the lead economic advisor to the 2008 Obama presidential campaign <4> and is known as a centrist.<5>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austan_Goolsbee

Austan Goolsbee is Senior Economist to the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) and the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI).


http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254329&kaid=86&subid=191

[dionysus]

53. well that is too bad.

he's still not a member, unlike hillary...

[Romulox]

55. I don't care if he's on the Xmas card list. I care if he has the SAME economic policies as the DLC.

He does, unfortunately. :hi:

[LWolf]

134. This would make a great thread on its own. n/t

[dionysus]

41. the guy is crying cause obama kicked his ass, like you will be crying when hilly drops out...

[smiley_glad_hands]

43. I've only been disappointed in Hilliary. eom

[gristy]

45. Why do you think I'm disappointed?

Or are you just clueless?

[billyoc]

46. When I stopped beating my wife.

[Buzz Clik]

48. For me, it was just after hell froze over.

[Romulox]

When he decided to pander to Iowa at the expense of Michigan, I knew he was a "cheap labor" Dem. nt

[WinkyDink]

50. To the Hillary-haters here: It IS actually possible to be disenchanted with BOTH candidates.

So any retorts to the OP in support of HRC are quite beside the point.

[SoonerPride]

52. Reed made the same attacks against Jesse Jackson 20 yrs ago

He is a racist who despises articulate African Americans

Sorry, but do some research and you realize this guy has issues. He is not an objective source.

He is a racist.

[NashVegas]

54. First, When He Said He Wanted to Be The Democratic Party Answer to Ronald Reagan

But it got even worse when I went back and found some articles about the 1980 Republican convention and saw that moderate Republicans were silenced and intimidated, while the fundies took over their party.

Second, and what made even more of an impression, were the attacks upon me when I posted this concern to GD: P. Straight out of the Bush / Rove playbook.

[Cheap_Trick]

57. well, he hasn't yet

But I'll tell you when Hillary turned into a huge disappointment. When the first murmurs of Hillary for President were about, I chuckled and thought "Hell yeah. Another Clinton in the White House. freeper heads will surely explode." But then, her campaign started. And she ran like a Rovian Republican. Utterly disgusting. Now I'm thinking "Fuck no. No more Clintons in the White House. A black man in the White House will still make freeper heads pop."

[Yossariant]

58. NH.

[LWolf]

59. 2004 Convention speech. n/t

[democrattotheend]

82. What bothered you about that speech?

Just curious.

[LWolf]

96. I was bothered by the entire convention.

It felt like we were trying to outdo republicans on flag-waving "patriotism" and "support for troops," ie WAR.

I know that the Democratic Party, and Democrats, love their country and support the troops. They tend to love different things about the nation (the Constitution and the people) and support the troops in a different way (by not risking them unless it's a last, DEFENSIVE resort), or I think that's the way it SHOULD be. That's not the tone I got from that convention. Medea Benjamin was escorted out; I like her better than many Democratic "leaders." There were constitutional issues raised by the "free speech zone," the cage topped by razor wire reserved for protestors. That was as anti-democratic as the "Democratic" Party could get, imo.

Much of what Obama said was great, and I could get behind it. There were small seeds of unease in some parts, for some of us who listened carefully.

There was the seed planted for perpetual "war on terror" sanctioned by Democrats when he said, "Now -- Now let me be clear. Let me be clear. We have real enemies in the world. These enemies must be found. They must be pursued. And they must be defeated."

There was the seed of conservative "bootstrap" philosophy planted when he said, "Now, don’t get me wrong. The people I meet -- in small towns and big cities, in diners and office parks -- they don’t expect government to solve all their problems. They know they have to work hard to get ahead, and they want to. Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don’t want their tax money wasted, by a welfare agency or by the Pentagon."

There was the seed of faith-based politics when he said, " We worship an "awesome God" in the Blue States." (Among other references to faith sprinkled liberally throughout the speech.) I'm one who wants a wide and deep division between church and state. I don't want church leaders campaigning, I don't want to hear church rhetoric in campaign speeches, and I don't want any rep basing work in government on his or her bible.

More than those seeds, thought, I watched and listened to the audience, I read and listened to the responses after, and I was really turned off by what I saw, and see today, as a response more appropriate to a congregation's response to a sermon than a politician's speech. Emotion without critical thinking leads to those who blindly follow. I don't want THAT faith-based characteristic driving the Democratic Party.

I don't think I was wrong in my reaction; I've seen it all played out in this primary by the Obama campaign.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2004/barackobama2004dnc.htm

[lwcon]

126. Amen n/t

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[Blondiegrrl]

63. Every time I see an assholish post like this, it makes me more certain that I will

never vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstance.

Congratulations!

[avrdream]

64. Donnie McClurkin did it for me.

Nothing since then has convinced me to vote for him.

[democrattotheend]

81. Don't you live in Australia?

Are you an American living abroad and voting absentee?

[mtnsnake]

65. When he started attacting so many losers to his side, but everyone needs supporters I suppose

K&R

[Bad Thoughts]

66. Months after I realized Clinton was a sellout

Unfortunately, I'm left with no other candidates to support.

[depakid]

67. On February 10, 2005, when he voted for the misnamed Class Action "Fairness" Act

of 2005 which seriously hampers the rights of ordinary citizens to challenge corporations. Senators Biden, Boxer, Byrd, Clinton, Corzine, Durbin, Feingold, Kerry Leah, Reid and 16 other democrats voted against it.

So did 14 state attorneys general, including Lisa Madigan of Obama’s home state of Illinois. She called it a “corporate giveaway.” The Senate also received a desperate plea from more than 40 civil rights and labor organizations, including the NAACP, Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, Human Rights Campaign, American Civil Liberties Union, Center for Justice and Democracy, Legal Momentum (formerly NOW Legal Defense Fund) and Alliance for Justice.

They wrote:

“Under the Act citizens are denied the right to use their own state courts to bring class actions against corporations that violate state wage and hour and state civil rights laws, even where that corporation has hundreds of employees in that state.

Moving these state law cases into federal court will delay and likely deny justice for working men and women and victims of discrimination. The federal courts are already overburdened. Additionally, federal courts are less likely to certify classes or provide relief for violations of state law”

The bill which will seriously impair labor, consumer and civil rights involved five years of pressure from 100 corporations, 475 lobbyists, and tens of millions of corporate dollars to buy influence. It also involved the active participation of the Wall Street firms now funding the Obama campaign. The Civil Justice Reform Group, a business alliance comprising general counsels from Fortune 100 firms, was instrumental in drafting the class action bill, according to Public Citizen which also said in a 2003 report that Mayer-Brown partners and employees gave close to $100,000 <$92,817> to the Obama campaign by December 31, 2007. Mayer-Brown, hired by the US Chamber of Commerce, spent $16 million in 2003 lobbying the government on class action reform.”

http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/obama-corporate-america-and-labor-a-must-read-this-morning/
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His criticism of the Alito filibuster- during which his lack of leadership was appalling, only confirmed my suspicions.

[avrdream]

69. Wow, you were on to him a lot earlier than most of us!

Interesting stuff buried in his Illinois senate record sometimes.

[depakid]

74. Call it a "blink" response -or intuition based on many years of observations

I think Krugman also went through the same sort of process....

[truth-warrior]

70. Anyone who doesn't see him for the vacuous empty suit that he

is will be disappointed. Since he never fooled me, I won't be.

[democrattotheend]

85. That did not last long

What's up with all these people coming and getting banned right away?

[mdmc]

71. I have to admit, I was never impressed until Iowa

I never thought of him as top tier. Then he beat down the DLC Clinton war machine. If he can beat them, he is the bomb.

For the record I don't think anyone could beat the Clintons. The fact that he took the fight to them and is still hanging in there just amazes me. Short of falling full Spitzer on me this guy seems pretty cool and the gang. I mean, if he puts Edwards or Kennedy (Muther Fucking Vice President Ted Kennedy!) or Jerry Brown or Al Gore on the ticket, who could be disappointed?

[aquart]

72. When I read the valuation of the land Obama bought from Rezko.

Up till then, I only thought he was green. But when I described the deal without location or names to my California BIL, his response was "Sounds like the Dukester." If Obama was working deals that sounded ever so familiar to Duke Cunningham's constituents, I knew he wasn't anything like they were portraying him.

And then he cynically and callously played the race card when his numbers weren't high enough in South Carolina. Since then I wouldn't mind seeing him roast on a spit in hell.

[Edgewater_Joe]

73. When Will You Stop Smelling Of Hillbot Flop Sweat?

She HAS lost, you know, and she's only helping McSameAsBush to get the White House.

If that's what you want, keep living your delusion.

[zulchzulu]

76. I guess you're over your disappointment that Hillary Clinton blew it and won't be the nominee...

Obama will be the nominee and our next President. I guess you know that by now.

[jillan]

77. When I heard he supported nuclear power.

[blogslut]

78. The day that happens

You'll be the first to know

[donheld]

79. I guess I'm still waiting for that day to come.

[SunDrop23]

80. It would have been just after I had my brain removed from my body.

Get a grip.

[DemGa]

84. I spotted Obama as a charlatan from the start

He's proven me right repeatedly. I'm disappointed that Obama has ruined the Dems for perhaps a very long time - I think I'm more disappointed in people who can't see through this charade.

[paulk]

86. the debates

He just didn't impress me. I couldn't understand what all the fuss over him was about - he seemed decidedly ordinary - just another politician.

Also, it seemed really hard to get any of his supporters to explain why they supported him, at least in political terms. There was, for me at least, a definate undertone of hero worship that just kind of left me feeling uncomfortable. And if not that, it was more about being against HRC than for Obama.

It also didn't help that many of his supporters in the blogosphere were real jerks whose first response to any criticism of Obama was an ad hominum attack, something that is fully on display in this thread.

[Awsi Dooger]

88. Same, the debates

I wouldn't call it huge disappointment. Over valued. That's the best I can do.

It started with the first debate, last April. I watched it while on vacation in Waikiki Beach, as an Edwards supporter. Within 10 minutes it was obvious Hillary was simply in a different league than the other top tier candidates, more specific and a natural debater. Obama said uhh a lot and was decidedly ordinary, exactly as you phrased it. Not much has changed.

Obama supporters remind me of the kids in school who waited until others had raised their hand. Then suddenly their hand was in the air also, even if they had no idea why, other than relieved conformity.

[wiseguy182]

98. zuh?

I'm back by very, very popular demand!

Granted, Obama wasn't my first choice. My first choice was Bill Richardson. Vast resume and very electable in a general election. But ever since he bowed out, I've supported Obama. I'll never run to the polls to vote for him. But Hillary is a disaster in the general. A recap of Hillary quotes. I'm paraphrasing here.

Hillary to Iowans in 2006 "Iowa and Mississppi are the only states never voted to send a woman to congress. I expected that of Mississippi, but not Iowa." There goes Iowa for dems if she's the candidate, not to mention MS, but that's not going in our column in any event. Suprisingly, she had the nerve to campaing and MS, but the predictable result happened: she got trounced.

Hillary on Super Tuesday: "Thank you Arkansas, blah blah states, and Thank you to the great state of New York." Notice how she doesn't say "Thank you the great state of Arkansas" where she was First Lady all those years. Pretty much a slap in the face, and now you can't count out Arkansas.

Hillary, a short time later. "Thank you Texas, and thank you Ohio" No mention is made of Rhode Island, where she also won that day.

One of her biggest supporters, PA Gov. Ed Rendell, seems incapable of talking about anyhing else but the weird notion that Hillary will win the big swing states (FL, PA, MI for example) because she won the primaries there. That doesn't translate to general election victories. Not to mention the fact that FL and MI didn't really vote.

Basically, she is very much projecting that she couldn't give a crap about the small states. Look at how her whole camaign was based, and it shows. The only reason Obama got this far was because he realized that there are other people voting besides those in big states. Hillary will get trounced in a general.

[wiseguy182]

109. Edwards?! that's a laugh!

You wanted Edwards to be the nominee? And what exactly did Edwards do for us in 2004? Couldn't carry his home state of South Carolina, or North Carolina where he was a sitting senator at the time. Pretty pathetic. I seriously doubt he could have even be re-elected as senator in NC. I knew as soon as he announced his candidacy for 2008 that there was no way on God's Green Earth he was going to win, and I was right. Again, he couldn't even carry his home state of South Carolina, or come close for that matter.

[McCamy Taylor]

89. Bob Novak said Clinton had dirt on Obama---and Obama called out Clinton!

That was before the Iowa Caucuses. Even Novak said that it looked like Obama was pulling a dirty stunt, trying to convince Iowa voters that Clinton was a dirty trickster to hurt her chances. And Novak was the rat bastard liar playing the divide and conquer games.

Obama knew full well that Novak was not in the confidence of Clinton or any of her high level staff. He worked with CREEP in 1972. He was doing Karl Rove's dirty work. I knew then that Obama was either too naive to be president or too dirty to trust.

[demwing]

90. So, Do You Still Beat Small Children?

Have you ever stopped feeling badly for the people you've cheated?

And does wearing your grandmother's knickers still turn you on?

[VotesForWomen]

91. when i heard his supporters claiming he was MLK, JFK, and Ghandi all rolled into one. nt

[last_texas_dem]

92. Haven't yet

This Kool-Aid the Obama supporters who kidnapped me have been force-feeding me must be extra-strength...

:eyes:

ON EDIT: I haven't had to deal with Obama becoming a "huge disappointment" to me because I never bought into the idea that he was some sort of savior that many Obama and, apparently, plenty of Obama-turned-Clinton supporters did. I only support him now because there are just two real options and I like him personally more than I like Clinton and think he *may* be a slightly stronger general election candidate. Both are far from slam-dunks, though, and this whole stupid dragged-out primary mess is only hurting the chances of whichever one ends up being the general election candidate.

[True_Blue]

94. When he voted present 130 times

[madrchsod]

107. you live in illinois?

[Mezzo]

95. Also, contrary to his claims, he has not always maintained the same position about Iraq.

There is the famous Youtube, "the only time I didn't say i was against teh war" was the first time I got national attention at the 2004 Dem Nat'l Convention.

[JoFerret]

97. 2004

.

[JoFerret]

99. "A vacuous opportunist"

masquerading as a progressive.

Sounds about right.

What a laughing stock we will be to elect this person at this time if that is what happens.

[rodeodance]

102. when he and his supporters started to use race to get ahead

[Buzz Clik]

104. Damn. This thread simply won't "hide".

Hide the author, instead.

[lwcon]

128. Oh, I'm sorry

Did I break your concentration?

Let me help you regain it: "Hope. Change. Unity. Ponies. Hope. Change..."

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[madrchsod]

105. when he received more votes than kerry

in all but 9 solid republican counties in illinois during his 2004 senate election. i knew then that he was a disappointment

i was disappointed because he received 70% of the popular vote compared to combined 30% of of the other three candidates....

the 70% of us in illinois had no clue that he was a huge disappointment and we are ashamed of not seeing what he really was.

i knew he was when i started reading the democratic underground...yes it`s been revealed since he started running for the presidency...i guess he should have just stayed in the senate where he belongs till we can vote him out and save illinois and the nation from any more disappointments.

:rofl:

[Cass]

108. The McClurkin incident was what clued me in. nt

[ProSense]

111. When Hillary said it would be over by Feb. 5, but

then Obama kicked her primary butt!

Actually, Hillary's comment made me realize that she really thought this was going to be easy.

Surfrigginprise!


Speaking of disappointments

[StevieM]

112. When he began trashing the Clinton Administration and then acting like Hillary was nothing more

then an extension of her husband, rather then her own person.

Steve

[Lord Helmet]

113. Obama is tthe best thing to happen the Democratic party.

[lwcon]

127. That's the saddest thing I ever heard

What a shitty party we must have here.

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[kerry-is-my-prez]

115. Beofre I even heard him speak - I had concerns about his lack of experience.

When I heard him speak I thought he was a good speaker but that it was pretty much b.s. I'm one of those people that is pretty logic-driven and rather skeptical - you have to "show me the money."

Never thought he would be able to get people to go for him the way he did.

[ecstatic]

116. You kept reading after: "a good performer with an ear for how to make white liberals like him"

:shrug: So I guess this is the point when *I* realize your posts will be a big disappointment. Welcome to ignore!

[kwenu]

117. I've never suspected such with Obama and haven't experienced such either.

[Beacool]

118. For me it was when he started spewing his empty platitudes

of "hope" and "change". Then when I did my due diligence and found out how he got into the state senate in the first place, how he kissed up to party leaders, how his colleagues would joke that if there was a difficult vote "Barack was in the bathroom", how Emil JOnes pushed his way bill proposals who had belonged to other people, etc., etc.

It gave me a clear picture of a smart, arrogant and ambitious man, anxious to fast track his career and win the presidency without having the required resume with which to back his ambitions. He may yet win the nomination since he seems to have deluded enough people, but the presidency is another matter altogether.

[BlueStater]

119. Around late 2007

After an entire year of listening to him, he started to come across to me as long on style and short on substance. And that viewpoint hasn't changed since.

[Skittles]

120. from day one

I see through people very, very easily

[Raine]

124. Hasn't happened

not going to.

[Perry Logan]

129. The bowling scandal.

[cornermouse]

131. When he started talking about reaching across the aisle.

Bringing republicans and democrats together. It sounded like Lieberman.

[moobu2]

132. The South Carolina primary.

[hokies4ever]

133. Prof. Adolph Reed wrote a book against Jesse Jackson

back in 1986 saying the EXACT same thing. This guy thinks he understands politics, but he doesn't. According to his prediction, Obama never would have won a US Senate seat or even won over this many people voting in the primaries and caucuses. More scandal-bating by another Hillary supporter. That swan song is a coming.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

135. In 2016, when we failed to approve the constitutional amendment allowing him to run for a 3rd term

and his approval rating sank to 89% after he personally lobbied against the amendment.