So we, Hillary supporters, are troll, bots, stupid, "republican lites"

[question everything]

etc.

Why, then, would you want our votes in November?

[babylonsister]

1. And we're dumb, besides all the other invectives thrown around.

Explain that please, and FTR, name calling is juvenile.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5771513

[PoliticalAmazon]

18. Obama has not ONCE insulted Hillary supporters. Hillary regularly insults....

...Obama supporters.

So you really don't have much to bitch about, do you, especially since Hillary supporters routinely resort to personal insults when they can't debate a point.

[babylonsister]

21. You talkin' to me?

I'm an Obama supporter in case you hadn't noticed, and I'm not bitchin', just wondering why the tired old double standard.

[Hoof Hearted]

36. Yeah, that whole BITTER thing wasn't insulting at all.

When he said he was having trouble winning votes in PA because of all the gun-totin' bible-thumpin' racists.

[PseudoIntellect]

63. That's not even what he said. I thought he explained himself afterward...

Maybe I was just dreaming when he explained the wedge issues context of the bitter comment?

[Hoof Hearted]

90. CYA is not an "explanation." It was abundantly obvious what he meant.

And DU Obama folk defended it as yet more "truth" from the lips of the anointed one.

[PoliticalAmazon]

87. It WASN'T an insult. Pig-slop Politics Hillary pulled a Rove and swiftboated....

Obama. Doesn't it make you proud that Hillary is such a loyal protege of Bush Jr/Rove?

[WinkyDink]

83. I missed those insults by Hillary. Maybe you can post and link to some?

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[newmajority]

11. nevermind

why reply to vapor?

[rwheeler31]

3. I just do not understand how you can support such a dirty

campaign.

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[NanceGreggs]

10. Correct me if I am wrong (and I hope I am) ...

... but are you suggesting that we should all just accept 'dirty politics' as the norm, and move on?

[Seeker30]

25. I don't think Hillary has been any worse than Obama

Obama can say he was less privileged, he's treated different, etc, yet if Hillary even mentions his name in ANY capacity she she gets accused of running a dirty campaign and that she is racist.

Politics is a game that is played to win. Personally I'm disappointed in Hillary for not going after Obama more, you guys are going to go ballistic when the repugs start playing hardball.

[NanceGreggs]

31. Mentioning his name ...

... in any capacity?

Nice try. She is running a dirty campaign - that is patently obvious.
Could explain why she's losing.

[Mezzo]

30. and I can't understand why you think his campaign is clean, Geez, Harry and Louise. nt

[shadowknows69]

73. Because in comparison to Clinton it has been

No contest.

[Beausoir]

6. You forgot the most important one....RACISTS!

They actually don't think they'll need our votes. God has already ordained Obama.
All that's left is the coronation.

[TahitiNut]

38. Well, if the shoe fits ....

:shrug:

[rodeodance]

48. well, we know it was the obama camp who pulls out the race crap when he is about to lose.

[TahitiNut]

57. "we"?? Got crabs again?

:eyes:

[dogday]

65. Problem is the shoe is a one size fits all and the term is

thrown around so much, it will lose it's valuable meaning... Like the boy who cried wolf, you can only do this so often before long calling someone a racist will be like calling them a shithead and they will just let it roll off their back.....

[bunnies]

7. Oh Please.

Any Obama supporter could change the insults and post the exact same thing. Lame. :eyes:

[Blarch]

8. Listen up...

The hillary campaign VOWED to run their campaign just as Rove would.

They have done just that, keeping their word.

Anybody who would stand behind these tactics is a idiot. You hillary supporters hated these tactics when Rove used them ...but now you embrace them, and defend them.

[Ronnie]

15. "The hillary campaign VOWED to run their campaign just as Rove would."

Vowed? Would you like to back that up?

[Blarch]

28. .

Clinton's campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, seems to agree with that assessment, having effectively vowed to run her operation much as Rove did his two successful national campaigns. "She expresses admiration for the way George W. Bush's campaign team controlled its message, and, given her druthers, would run this race no differently,"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/14/AR2007081401722.html

[Ronnie]

58. How's your reading comprehension?

"effectively vowed": Putting the adverb 'effectively' before the verb 'vowed' modifies it to mean something other than vowed. She, in other words, sort of vowed, in the writer's opinion. And what did she sort of vow? ---to control the campaign's message.
Sharpen up those reading skills. You can do it. Yes, you can.

[Dogmudgeon]

78. An ex-surrogate *effectively* vowed ...

That's a little different than "Hillary did it".

Then, there's David Axelrod, with whom Team Obama seems to be unacquainted. He's another Machiavellian character, only he's running Obama's show.

But I guess bringing that up is unfair guilt-by-association, huh?

--p!

[Symarip]

9. You take to heart

What someone calls you on an anonymous messageboard? And thus, will refuse to vote or vote against your party?

Sorry, I'm having a hard time giving a shit when I see posts like this.

Sticks and stones, people.

[Window]

12. You Hillary supporters are all the names you call Sen. Obama supporters.

Do what you want with your vote in November, just remember, you live in America, too.

That goes both ways, there is no shortage of names by either camp of supporters.

If Hillary were somehow to win the nomination, I'm sure Sen. Obama supporters will be asking you the same question. The name calling is certainly not one-sided, and you know this.

[WinkyDink]

85. You Hillary supporters are all the names you call Sen. Obama supporters.

And they would be....?

[emilyg]

13. I just read we're all

Joe Sixpacks.

[MrSlayer]

14. If you are a Democrat you will vote for the nominee.

Otherwise, you are not a Democrat. We need to win the Presidency.

[October]

16. Excellent!!!

Love this post.

Thank you.

[PoliticalAmazon]

17. Climb down off the cross, we are running out of nails. n/t

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[Texasgal]

20. Personally

I do not believe that Hillary supporters are "troll, bots, stupid, "republican lites"

:shrug:

[question everything]

37. Thank you. I have never referred to Obama supporters by any other names

though I recognize that some here have.

And I have no problem with Obama campaign, only with his supporters here on DU and, yes, I realize that they are the minority, one hopes.

But it is absurd that we cannot debate in civility. And while I will do my best to rise above it and to vote for the nominee, I can see how many Hillary supporters would take this personally.

Yes, many Obama supporters threaten to stay home if he is not the nominee, but at lesser numbers and I think that the reason is that the attacks on Hillary and, be extension, on her (mostly female) supporters, are so much demeaning, insulting, and personal.

[Moochy]

22. K&R

:applause:

[Jed Dilligan]

23. Nice to see you acknowledging that your lady has LOST the nomination. nt

[meow mix]

24. that about covers it /nt

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[Seeker30]

27. And Obamabots act worse than the Bushbots did in 2000 and 2004

So look in the mirror.

[blm]

29. Clintons were helping Bush in 2000 and 2004. And you want them rewarded.

How did you feel when Bill used his entire book tour in the summer of 2004 to REPEATEDLY DEFEND Bush's decisions on Iraq strategy at the very time our Dem nominee was attacking Bush on those decisions?

Did YOU side with Bush PUBLICLY as many times as the last Democratic president did during an election year?

[Lady-Damai]

33. Hehehehehe.....I'm not a typical Obamanite....

Most Obamanites want the best for the democratic party. They will vote for Hillary Rotten Clinton if she manages to steal the nomination. I'm special case of "I DON'T GIVE A FUCK IT'S EITHER OBAMA OR NADA!" I know it sounds selfish and stubborn. But...I blame it on being a taurus. :)

I think the new young voters and most black ppl will not vote for Hillary. If their votes don't matter... then it should be no problem for her to win the election.

Everyone is entitled to vote for whoever they want. I don't tell Hiterly supporters to jump ship. I just HOPE they get the message that Obama is the president for a better future. Nobody is perfect. But by taking steps to understanding each others differences is the only way for this country to solve the many issues we're facing here and in the world. Clinton is not uniter more like divider. She started her campaign so positive. Now, she has the lowest approval rating even with her BIG STATE wins. She doesn't care that many ppl don't like her dishonest ways. Everyone doesn't say the bloody truth all the time. But, when you are caught lying about something...why continue to defend that lie?! When I say Hillary Clinton reminds me of George W. Bush.. I'm not making a joke.

[dorktv]

41. Adolf Hitler slaughtered many of one of my dearest friends in high school's relatives.

Senator Clinton has never said she would create gas chambers solely to slaughter people of one faith.

Please refrain from calling her the same name as one of the worse mass murderers in history. And before you start talking about Iran, she stated what she did regarding defense of one of our allies. As such I can understand (even if I am not sure I support such a statement) the desire to support a US ally of over 50 years.

Thank you.

[Lady-Damai]

64. I'm very sorry. I will change it. n/t

[kwenu]

32. A Democrat wouldn't have to ask your question.

[Hoof Hearted]

34. You forgot the #1 grandaddy of them all - we're RACISTS.

[TahitiNut]

39. Well, if the shoe fits ...

:shrug:

[Hoof Hearted]

91. Then Obama has plenty of comfortable shoes.

[grantcart]

35. haven't finished with the nomination and already playing the victim card.

[Lord Helmet]

40. you were bamboozled

[ruby slippers]

42. for the same reason you want Obama votes should she win?

and so that you can redeem yourselves, like the people who thought Bush was the best choice in 2000 and 2004.

[dailykoff]

43. Hey you're catching on.

:hi:

[merh]

44. if you are a republican we don't expect your vote

if you care about the nation then you should vote for the democratic nominee and you should stop this bullshit.

but hey, when a candidate if more important than the nation and the party there is truly a problem.

[ruby slippers]

59. what about us Independents?

[merh]

61. If you care about the nation and don't want four more years of

the same madness and destruction, then you will vote for the democratic nominee.

[ruby slippers]

70. but you need to convince me why Hillary will be any better than McCain? I surely

can't see it....I think they are one and the same....and she is full of hot air in that which she says she isn't...

[merh]

80. Though I normally am against the concept

dems controlling congress and the presidency - if she gets it it will be better than McCain for the sake of our dems in congress that will be doing their best to limit her with correct legislation. Not to mention the Supreme Court nominees.

[butterfly77]

45. YES,YES, YES and Yes...

[rodeodance]

46. who said they will??

[BenDavid]

47. Ican handle the insults from you obama folks but there is no way

that i could honestly support a man that is a bigot and a racist. A man that lied about his church ties to wright. A man that stood there tuesday at the press conference and was pissed at wright for accusing him of being a politicain, but said nothing about the bigotry and the racist comments this man said while obama sat on his ass for 16 years.

If our choices are doing the right thing and losing with Obama, and he will to McCain, because fair is fair OR doing the wrong thing and winning with Hillary, what should super-delegates do? I thought the super-delegates were there to make sure the most qualified and electable person was the nominee.....If obama is the nominee then the super-delegates that cannot vote their conscience knowing HRC is the better candidate then I say do not vote for obama.

[bridgit]

49. SHUT UP! BE HAPPY! The comfort you've demanded is now mandatory...

This is Obamatron Central redirecting you back to your scheduled programming

[grytpype]

50. Just because you support a crazy hag on an ego trip doesn't mean you should support the GOP.

True, Hil is more of a Repug now since she's failed at being a Dem, but how about getting behind the WINNER of the Democratic primary process?

OBAMA WON.

Cry about it if you want, and then join the Democratic majority in saving the country from four more years of Repug rule.

[dorktv]

60. Sorry but why should we like a guy who "reaches out" to the very people

who enjoy wrecking the country?

[Two Americas]

62. ah I see

Interesting way to refute the claim that Clinton supporters are being called names.

[gaspee]

71. You're delusional

Crazy hag?

GTFO!

And if by some miracle Obama gets the nom, you have fun under president McCain.

Let me guess, you're a guy. I wonder how I figured that out? :sarcasm:

[Zodiak]

51. For the record:

I try my very best to refrain from calling Clinton supporters names. I do not agree with their choice of nominee for a multitude of political, progressive reasons, and I have a bunch of them on ignore for "griefing" , which shakes my faith in DU as a community and makes it unpleasant for me to come here.

However, I reserve the right to pillory Hillary for her odious campaign strategy, her alliance with right-wing interests, and her deep and abiding association with elements of the Democratic party that are decidedly anti-progressive and anti-grassroots. I am also one of those pricks that will not vote for Hillary should she get the nomination. I have long-ago sworn never to support a DLCer again. This campaign has only reinforced that notion.

[TLM]

52. dupe

[TLM]

53. Who are you talking to.... the obamatons or the cult members or the sexists?

Because quite frankly your cries of being upset over being called names are going to fall on ears made deaf by the roar of attacks on obama supporters.

[thewiseguy]

55. Obama babies perhaps?

:-(

[True_Blue]

54. Recommended!!!!

It seems like just yesterday the Obama supporters were criticizing the Hillary supporters because many of them wouldn't vote for Obama if he became the Dem nominee. Funny how things change.

[crimsonblue]

56. The only vote I can control is my own.

I personally want a return to the rule of law and the Constitution. That is something everybody will have to decide for themselves. If you want to vote for McCain, then that's your prerogative...

[samsingh]

66. you are not any of those things. i like Hillary and Obama

i'm supporting Obama, but i will support her enthusiastically if she wins the nomination.

both candidates are much, much better than mccain.

[samsingh]

67. you are not any of those things. i like Hillary and Obama

i'm supporting Obama, but i will support her enthusiastically if she wins the nomination.

both candidates are much, much better than mccain.

[Raine]

68. Vote in your own best interest...

if you think that's MacCain over Obama you and the rest of us live with the consequences. Everyone here in the DU should be smart enough to make the choice without the rest of us having to explain it to you. :shrug:

[Jamastiene]

69. You forgot whores, monsters, nazis, and racists.

We've also been called "ignorant White Fucks." And yes, the W and the F in White Fucks was capitalized. We've also been called cockroaches. :eyes:

[ruby slippers]

72. and don't forget that you are "bears" now since she is "Goldilocks"...

[cornermouse]

74. It's abuse.

Pure and simple.

[TheZug]

75. Better question: why do you call yourselves liberals?

It's an ideology, not a football team. Hillary Clinton reduces this election to a battle of uniforms, signifying nothing. "Victory" in that sense is meaningless.

[cornermouse]

76. It's also called splitting the party

via trying to drive off anyone who prefers Hillary.

[casus belli]

77. Don't hold your vote out there like some cherished prize...

I shouldn't have to persuade you to do anything. Vote for him, or don't. But don't expect anyone to be listening when you're bitching about 4 more years of a Republican executive branch.

[book_worm]

79. poor baby and your side never engages in name calling like calling us 'cultists'

do what you want in November.

[PATRICK]

81. We've seen this before

Nader. Very different circumstances and more concretely ideological. Also Nader was a continuing outside choice. Accommodations were finally made among the rational to trade votes according to helping Gore in critical states.

This situation is more purely intra-party and internecine and where is the compromise? traditionally that would in the healing at the Convention, in the Veep choice. Rather than browbeating anyone uselessly here and now, the best wisdom is patience and the one single goal. Stop damaging progressive causes and the Dem nomination in general as is being done now. All other things are passionate and premature, considering the large legitimate holdings of both candidates. If there is self determination in any single DUer's heart I hope it is greater than the loyalty to any single candidate's cause. They are expendable in ways our beleaguered votes are not.

As with Nader, the flames will never die for some and some will simply leave these boards and other things. It would be nice for all, all without exception, that it is the people and the issues that transcend the President, the persons contending for that single office. It will be an imperfect leadership enough without more fracturing of the people themselves and cooperative burying of the issues in duped collaboration with the corporate media.

We have one single enemy, one false choice favored openly by American rigged journalism on the whole. It is good not to cling to our questionable party leadership too uncritically or our own factions or personal beliefs too self-righteously. We are fighting for lives, our own included, maybe everyone's. The GOP has a moldy ham sandwich that is viable as a "winner" in a rigged system.

We the people can hang together or hang separately. That old appeal never won over more than a third of
1776 Americans to the active cause of liberty. It was barely enough with the lucky help of the French king who once had sent native American allies to slaughter colonists in wars that had caused many dissatisfactions with the colonial regime. So do I demand or expect people to submit and rally to some obvious perfect logic and ideals? No. Let's keep an inner door open to saving our country together and the long term of doing it as best as believe it should be done.

Loyalties, fear and anger and divisions around the world are all understandable, all flawed or noble. They are no longer affordable if we wish anyone to inherit life or liberty. The system is broke for all lesser concerns. You can be free or you can die. There is no other option.

Some of us will advance the imperfect party cause to the WH under fire. Some will indulge their passions by mostly sitting it out. All those alive now and for shrinking generations to come will endure the consequences.

[L0oniX]

82. Holy deleted messages and ignores Batman

[Occam Bandage]

84. So we, Obama supporters, are babies, trolls, elitist, stupid, cultist, sexist,

etc.

Why, then, would you want our votes in November?

[not_too_L8]

86. just a little respect and consideration...

from supporters of both camps would go along way to heal the rift

[JoFerret]

88. Fair question to ask

I certainly see little evidence of any reaching out and unificationing.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

89. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

If you don't vote for the presumptive democratic nominee, Obama, this November, then you're human scum.

And I'm not going to sit here and listen to you whine or take you seriously.

[ShortnFiery]

92. More feigned outrage. Don't forget Hill-Rod fans: The story of the little boy who cried "wolf."

NO SLACK! :evilgrin: