In the last 36 hours a "major" Hillary endorser used a homophobic slur and...

[Joe the Revelator]

...Hillary invoked Ronald Reagan while appearing on fox news. The few (but loud) Hillary supporter(s) on this board don't even bat an eye, although they attempted to crucify Obama over the same actions.

Its not the Rovian politics that bothers me as much as its the blatant hypocrisy.

[Khaotic]

1. True Dat

[babylonsister]

2. They've learned that double standard thingy from Clinton well. nt

[davidinalameda]

3. but pansy isn't a homphobic slue

:sarcasm:

[rodeodance]

10. its not. get a grip and stop smear good Democrats. You are no better than the RW when you do that.

[Joe the Revelator]

15. Since when is "pansey" not a homophobic slur?

I expect a one line answer from you telling me to shame myself, but seriously, lets be intellectually honest here. At the VERY VERY least it is misogynistic.

[JackBeck]

26. Really?

pan·sy Audio Help /ˈpænzi/
–noun, plural -sies.
1. a violet, Viola tricolor hortensis, cultivated in many varieties, having richly and variously colored flowers.
2. the flower of this plant.

3. Slang: Disparaging and Offensive.
a. a male homosexual.
b. a weak, effeminate, and often cowardly man.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pansy

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. I Wouldn't Use The Word

But it seems a and b are mutually exclusive...

I have met many weak and cowardly men who were most definitely not homosexual...

Easley would have been on safer ground if she said Hillar made Rocky look like a wimp...

[americanstranger]

37. .

- as

[Zhade]

51. Since when? Never heard it used? Never checked a dictionary?

Stop being an Aunt Tom, we don't need people like you excusing it away.

[davidinalameda]

67. you missed my sarcasm smiley?

[VeraAgnes]

30. I don't think it is either.........a slur that is....

I always think of sneezing when I hear the word pansy because I'm semi-allergic to them.

This is the dog-gone thruth.............. I was standing in line outside of the Olive Garden last year and they indeed had pansies planted there...OMG I sneezed excessively! Runny nose and all! My husband was embarrassed!:blush: :blush: :blush:

[gort]

41. It's only a slur...

if you call them "pink Tutu-wearing pansies"

:sarcasm:

[davidinalameda]

68. how about lavender

or does it have to be pink

how about fuchsia

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. They never really cared about Reagan or homophobia.

They're as two-faced as their candidate.

But everybody already knew that.

[IndianaJones]

55. yet you care about race issues now...I'm sure you always have. nt.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

70. Yup.

And you're welcome to point out any time I've ever been hypocritical.

Good luck.

[Jed Dilligan]

5. And now there's this new "testicular" thing

Now that they've proven he's black they are going to try to make him look girlish or gay.

[Joe the Revelator]

6. I must have missed this one....you take a half hour nap and who knows what inane thing Hillary will

say or do.

[Jed Dilligan]

11. I just got in from work

Some supporter on TV claiming she has the "testicular fortitude" for the job...

[Joe the Revelator]

13. What does that even mean?

Her campaign is amazing.

[Jed Dilligan]

23. In the old days they used to say "intestinal fortitude"

I think this was just an FCC-approved way of saying she has balls.

Ew... what an image.

[VeraAgnes]

7. Obama does that all the time.............

Hillary is just a copycat!:eyes:

[rodeodance]

8. Obama thinks Ronny is cool. what is your problem??

[Joe the Revelator]

9. The point, like many, is lost on you.

[crimsonblue]

46. Erroneous. Obama correctly stated that Reagan was transcendent and

able to get people from the other side of the aisle to vote against their interests. He said he strongly disagreed with Reagan's policies because he had first hand knowledge of the fruit of those policies. Nice try though.

[Coexist]

12. and she got herself on video showing she's so "blue collar" she can't even use a coffee machine

it was funny to watch.

[bigbrother05]

24. That was a Latte Machine

[Neshanic]

14. Pansy? They use it in a cartoon. Please.

[Joe the Revelator]

16. You going to use a "cartoon defense" seriously? Do I have to pull out the black face cartoons?

[Neshanic]

29. When gays dare to make even a slight connection to black civil rights

and gay rights we get flamed.

Now you want to compare black image/slurs with gay slurs.

This is about the word pansy. Stay on topic, and you can't have it both ways.

Generally, and with the gay gang I hang around with, pansy was pretty funny, even when we saw it in the cartoon.

[ccharles000]

63. I agree

[jmg257]

43. Ahh...Madagascar - funny flick. NO homophobes in sight.

[Cha]

17. hilary breeds

hypocrites. All she's good for.

[JuniperLea]

18. Nice to know all y'all are so set with supporters that you can burn bridges like this

I know and love people who support Clinton... some support Obama... and a few even support McCain...

Thankfully I'm smart enough to know NOT to shit on them.

You guys are going to share this board after the GE, right? If not, you're a troll anyway, but that's beside the point.

I don't know how any of you can shit all over your fellow Democrats like this. I really don't get it.

Good thing I'm developing a strong dislike of both Clinton and Obama... they are running neck and neck with McCain in my book... I'm sick of the lot of them. A better thing is that I know enough about life to realize this hatred y'all are spewing is a short term deal and you may need the backing of your fellow Democrats someday... I'll still have it.

[Name removed]

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[TankLV]

27. I see all the obamabot campaign staff is all-out in force today...

WHat you spew is BULLSHIT...

[JuniperLea]

33. Thanks! I've been called a Hillbot and an Obamabot

Several times today... and when it happens in the same thread, I'm validated! Speaking the truth to the Kool Aid poisoned in both camps is my heart's desire.

Thanks for proving my point.

[MADem]

47. You owe that poster an apology--that remark wasn't directed at you.

It was directed at the person who said that most Clinton supporters are actually Republicans. Look at the thread progression--the poster was not talking about you. Or to you.

[Neshanic]

31. What are you Kreskin?

[JuniperLea]

34. Nope... I read for comprehension

And your attempt at an insult proves my point. Thanks for that.

[MADem]

49. Again, Juniperx, you are FUCKING UP. THe Kresgin remark was not aimed at YOU.

It was aimed at WOLSH, who is saying most Clinton supporters are GOP.

Again, you need to retract and apologize. That's not right that you're shitting on people for objecting to someone calling Clinton supporters Republicans.

Check who the person is replying TO (right corner) before you fly off the handle.

[JuniperLea]

54. Sorry... ignored... I can't see you

:hi:

Not sure if you posted twice or if there are two of you... but life is too short... I chose my ignore list carefully... see ya during the GE!

[JuniperLea]

32. I know many long time DUers who are for Hillary

You prove my point... not smart enough? Insults only prove my point.

[ShaneGR]

19. Pansy is not an Anti-Gay term, period, I don't care what you say

I know for a fact, from hearing the word, mostly as a child and teenager, that the word pansy is not an anti-gay slur. It's a putdown universal to all young boys. It has nothing to do with gays. There are PLENTY of anti-gay slurs out there, now pansy is one? I don't understand the logic. BTW, I'm not even a Hillary supporter and I think this is stupid.

[Joe the Revelator]

21. I don't know what world you lived in, but it wasn't mine.

Keep making excuses though, it just proves my point further.

[JackBeck]

36. Most gay men I know recognize it as one.

As does dictionary.com

[Melinda]

60. Merriam-Webster disagrees with you

Let's see.... Merriam-Webster's dictionary

Merriam-Webster is America's foremost publisher of language-related reference works. The company publishes a diverse array of print and electronic products, including Merriam-Webster's Collegiate® Dictionary, Eleventh Edition—America's best-selling desk dictionary—and Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged.

Does Merriam-Webster have any connection to Noah Webster?
Merriam-Webster can be considered the direct lexicographical heir of Noah Webster. In 1843, the company bought the rights to the 1841 edition of Webster's magnum opus, An American Dictionary of the English Language, Corrected and Enlarged. At the same time, they secured the rights to create revised editions of the work. Since that time, Merriam-Webster editors have carried forward Noah Webster's work, creating some of the most widely used and respected dictionaries and reference books in the world. For more information, see Noah Webster and America's First Dictionary and From Noah Webster to Merriam-Webster: A Timeline.

When was Merriam-Webster founded?
In 1831, brothers George and Charles Merriam opened a printing and bookselling operation in Springfield, Massachusetts which they named G. & C. Merriam Co. The company, which was renamed Merriam-Webster, Incorporated, in 1982, has been in continuous operation since that time. For more information on the history of Merriam-Webster, see Merriam-Webster Continues Noah Webster's Legacy and Merriam-Webster's Ongoing Commitment.

How long has Merriam-Webster been publishing dictionaries?
The first Merriam-Webster dictionary was issued on September 24, 1847. It cost $6.00 per copy and earned the praise of such notable figures as President James K. Polk and General Zachary Taylor.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pansy

Main Entry: 1pan·sy
Pronunciation: \ˈpan-zē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural pansies
Etymology: Middle English pancy, pensee, from Middle French pensée, from pensée thought, from feminine of pensé, past participle of penser to think, from Latin pensare to ponder — more at pensive
Date: 15th century
1: a garden plant (Viola wittrockiana) derived chiefly from the hybridization of the European Johnny-jump-up (Viola tricolor) with other wild violets; also : its flower
2: ausually disparaging : a weak or effeminate man or boy busually disparaging : a male homosexual

Merriam-Webster's creds :thumbsup:

ShaneGR's Dictionary

I know it's here somewhere... ummmm, let's see... ahhhh, it must be here! :grr:... under here? :wtf: ... drat!! over there!! :cry: Argh!!! :banghead:

ShaneGR's dictionary creds... :shrug: not so much.

[ccharles000]

62. I agree.

[kid a]

20. a-fuckin-men

[TankLV]

25. Gee - how's that "wright thing's gonna be over by the weekend" working out for ya!?!

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YOUR rants sound more and more just like the REPUKES...and what hillarious is, YOU all don't even see it!!!

[Joe the Revelator]

28. You know what maturity is? Make a post consisting completely of "smilies"

Good job kid, come back when you want to talk serious.

[Name removed]

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[Frank Booth]

38. Your post would have convinced us all if you only included four more ROFL smilies.

You just missed it.

[Neshanic]

35. All you pearl-clutching Obama gays have a wierd sense of balance.

Anti-gay ex-gay preacher going for the anti-gay vote, and you zero in on pansy.

It's denotes homosexuality in one of it's definitions. When was the last time you were called a pansy or a fag?

I think the "fag" one is used with more raw emotion and hate than pansy.

[ccharles000]

40. OMG

I am so sick of hearing people accusing him of using a homophobic slur. My community has more things to worry about than the Governor calling a straight man a pansy. If anybody cared about helping GLBT people go out and protest pat robertson and others. We were used as a political wedge in 2004 by the republicans I don't want to see my fellow democrats do the same.

[ProSense]

42. Statements from GLAAD and the HRC

"GLAAD is concerned with Gov. Easley's flippant comment this morning utilizing the word "pansy,‘" said GLAAD President Neil G. Giuliano. "The word is considered by many to be a demeaning and degrading reference to gay men. We encourage all those engaging in political rhetoric to stay away from using language that is considered defamatory toward any group of Americans."

link

We checked with the Washington headquarters of the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's premier group promoting gay rights, and it already had a statement in the works.

Trevor Thomas, the group's deputy communications director, sent out this e-mail a few minutes later: "We certainly wish the governor would have chosen his words better and have expressed our disappointment to his staff."

link

[ccharles000]

48. They do not speak for me on this issue.

When the Governor say Hillary makes rocky look like a queer. Than I will be outraged.

[stevenleser]

50. Good point, they are not the two largest & most respected GLBT organizations...oops...

nevermind.

:eyes: :think:

:spank:

:rant:

[ccharles000]

52. I have very little respect for the HRC.

When they excluded the T from GLBT in the ENDA bill I lost most of the respect I once had for them.

[stevenleser]

56. You think we care who you respect after letting Hillary and Easley throw gays under bus?

:rofl:

[ccharles000]

58. I am gay.

I am getting sick and tired having straight people telling me when to be offended.

[stevenleser]

59. Who cares what you think. Every minority has people willing to throw their own under the bus for

some expediency. I have no respect for such people.

[ccharles000]

61. Many gay people don't see pansy as a gay slur.

I know what a gay slur is when you are called faggot every day in school you pick up these things.

[MADem]

44. I would not use that pansy word to describe a person, a flower, sure.

However, I am old enough to remember the day when "pansy" had nothing to do with sexual orientation. AT ALL. In fact, you hear the word on old Leave It to Beaver episodes.

What it meant, way back in the old days, was "weakling."

In context of the endorsement, calling Senator Clinton "not a male homosexual" just doesn't make sense.

I think it was a poor choice of word, but I think he was going for the old-time "weakling" definition.

[crimsonblue]

45. Don't forget about her endorser today who said she had balls.

err... make that "testicular fortitude". So does that mean her seed is strong or something?

[Exilednight]

53. Let's be fair, Obama never invoked Ronald Reagan. He said that Reagan transformed .................

the face of politics in this country, which he did. He put together the three legs of the rethug party and convinced millions he was responsible for doing great things, even though he wasn't.

The one thing I will always give Reagan credit for is selling bullshit to the American people at a premium price and finding enough people dumb enough to fork over their value system for steaming pile of shit. He managed to sell the idea that deregulation of corporate America is a good thing, and Bill Clinton bought into it and kept selling it.

Bill's policies, more deregulation and NAFTA, are finally coming to fruition and many Democrats are now having buyers remorse over the Clinton years. They had a nice short-term effect, but no one bothered to see what the long-term ramifications would be. Bill's SC appointees have done nothing to protect working class Americans, in fact that have done more harm to labor relations than any rethug could have hoped to do. I just wonder how long it will take the other half of the Democratic party to wake up and see the truth.

[vegetabletasty]

64. Obama has invoked Ronald Reagan repeatedly

While putting down Clinton's years.

[jconner27]

65. Obama cult followers shouldn't talk about hypocrisy

[barack the house]

66. Well Hillary's america we nuke , use race and homophobia and destroy democrats is this wron, no,yep?

:sarcasm:

[quantass]

69. oh noe

[PBS Poll-435]

71. And Obama lost his lead in BOTH daily tracking polls.

:cry::cry: