Reverend Wright Reaction....

[aaaaaa5a]

I thought the Wright interview on PBS was real good.

I thought the paster did a great job explaining his views and how they were taken out of context. I found it interesting that a supposed anti-american radical actually served in the Military for several years and assisted in an operation of President Lyndon Johnson. Perhaps if more people understood the history of this country, they wouldn't find some of his views offensive.

I can't wait to see how this latest interview will be "spun" by the mainstream media.


I started this thread because I just wanted to see the reaction from others who may have seen the PBS interview tonight.

[Forkboy]

1. Always nice to see the rare intelligent tv. Wright was excellent.

His detractors look more and more foolish and simple minded.

[stray cat]

2. Wright came across entirely different from the soundbites.

He is an elequant straight talking individual who understands the difference between patriotism and nationalism. I think I would have stayed at the church as well even if I did disagree with some statements. I think Wright said it best about the sound bites: "People who heard the whole sermon understood exactly what was being communicated. Those using soundbites for other purposes communicated exactly what they intended to."

[BeyondGeography]

3. He has done more good for people than all of the MSM corporations and their employees put together

and he can talk circles around them.

A piercingly intelligent and fundamentally decent human being.

Off with his head.

[cliffordu]

6. DING DING DING We have a winner!!!

You are exactly right.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. People like Wright make this country great

This man has sacrificed for his country more than Cheney and Bush. This man has every right to be critical of America, especially when it comes to US foreign policy. Our chickens came home to roost on 9/11. Thank you Wright fore speaking the truth. I don't know a single Progressive that disagrees with the fact that out foreign policy lead to 9/11.

[rurallib]

5. Haven't seen the interview but a thought crossed my mind

Most churches have a board of directors plus a vocal congregation not to mention one or two 'leaders' within the church. Had Rev. Wright been that bad he never would have lasted 20+ years. What little experience I have had in congregations makes me think if the pastor is out of time with his flock he does not last long.

[stray cat]

8. I didn't know it but the church grew from around 70 to 6000

with him as pastor. It also got involved with helping the people of inner city Chicago

[rurallib]

10. Either a lot of people hate America or

he is the kind of pastor many seek. I would guess the second.

[KaptBunnyPants]

24. 6000 Elitists. Black churches are the new starbucks.

Just like caring for your fellow man is the new racist.

[napi21]

7. It doesn't air here until Sunday so I'll have to wait to see it, but the

excerpts I saw on cable news disappointed me. I know the MSM always extracts the worst, but from what I saw so far, I'VE been doing a better job at explaining Rev. Wright's words than he did.

The really sad thing is that the majority of Americans don't watch PBS and will never see what you just did.

[stray cat]

9. MSM is really screwing it up - PBS added the context

Wright did an elequant realistic job.

[TheDoorbellRang]

31. Yep. I already saw how they're twisting stuff from this

I watched the interview tonite and Wright more than impressed me -- his knowledge and wisdom were quite evident. I was happy they showed the entire context of the M$M soundbites. The whole interview was excellent.

Now the part they twisted: Wright said that Obama has to speak as a politician whereas Wright speaks as a pastor. This small tidbit wa lifted out and played on MSNBC earlier today. Andrea Mitchell then asked whoever she was talking to, "So do you agree with Rev Wright that Obama's speech was just more politics?" :banghead:

Now, what I think is that Wright should go on as many talk shows and venues as possible in the months ahead. I think it will show people A)he's not a scary black dude, B)they might actually get the context and history of what he said in those sound bites, and C) they'll get so used to seeing him their fear will dissipate just from familiarity, no matter how the media tries to keep twisting it.

[RamboLiberal]

71. As usual the bastard MSM lifted the snippet that would be

the most damaging. Why not play this part?

That those sound bytes, those snippets were taken for nefarious purposes. That God can take that and do something very positive for it- with it. That, in Philadelphia, in response to the sound bytes, in response to the snippets, in Philadelphia Senator Obama made a very powerful speech in terms of our need as a nation to address the whole issue of race. That's something good that's already starting. That because of you guys playing these sound bytes now what's getting ready to happen as something very positive, and something very powerful that God can take what you meant to try to hurt somebody to help the nation come to grips with truth. To help a nation come to grips with miseducation. To help a nation come to grips with things we don't like to talk about. To help a nation--

Full transcript of the interview: http://stephencrosehome.blogspot.com/2008/04/full-transcript-of-moyers-wright.html

And getting back to the part they are excerpting. Who are we electing? We are electing a politician no matter who we vote for; Obama, Clinton, McCain. All Wright is saying is that he is a pastor, Obama is a politician. Its our minds who equate politician with lies. Its our minds who equate that politicians only say what they need to say to get elected and don't stand behind the meaning of their words. I thought that in this speech Obama eloquently did believe in what he said. Its just sad as a nation we haven't grown enough that he had to give it and that there are stupid voters and sleazy politicians who engage in this sound bite political game and persuade the stupid voters to think so simply on what to base their vote on.

Wright is right, we are a miseducated nation propped up by our "myths".

[Connie_Corleone]

11. That was a great interview!

I know some people were worried about it. Even I said that I hoped he would just shut up.

I apologize to Rev. Wright. He is a very intelligent, thoughtful man.

The MSM should be ASHAMED of themselves for demonizing this man and Trinity church!!!!!

[gaiilonfong]

12. GREAT interview

Wright was brilliant, and really brave. Moyers was his usual amazing self.
What the corporate media hacks, like the Tweety's, Joe(dead intern) Skanboro and ClintonNewsNetwork have done to Rev. Wright is criminal.That includes Miss Hillary Clinton(NeoCon-NY) and her lot. We all know why they did it, and Rev Wright made it CLEAR he knows why. Tonight any thinking person realizes what they have done to this man. And no matter what happens or what anyone says, this guy spoke the truth!

[TomClash]

13. Well done by Moyers

You can see how John King spun it on CNN - horrible for Barack! Spin overdrive.

In this case the context of Wright's remarks really did matter. He was explaining how all governments fail in the eyes of God and that's why God damns America - it's government has failed its people by warring against the innocent, not helping the poor and so on.

[gaiilonfong]

14. John King is a NEOCON HACK!

nuff'said

He also was a warmonger Bush cheerleader.

[Window]

15. I thought it was fantastic! I have great admiration and respect for Rev. Wright.

He is an intelligent man of the cloth.

[Kittycat]

16. It's delayed here - we're at the part about King.

This man is incredibly intelligent. He puts things in such a clear perspective - but at the same time points your mind in a different direction. I grew up in a fundamentalist, white church - and seeing his perspective is so much more loving and right, IMO.

I'm impressed, and so far... better informed having seen what I have so far.

ETA: Revenge vs. Redemption. What a thought.

[Rex_Goodheart]

17. "This man is incredibly intelligent."

Er, no. Your standards are incredibly low. Anybody who thinks our government invented AIDS to commit genocide on black people is not very intelligent at all.

[Kittycat]

19. *sigh*

Do you deny what they did with AA & syphilis (all the way in to the early 70's)? We don't know the extent of what our government is/has been capable of. But given the history - I can see why he would believe they have something to do with it. As it stands, the government allows our children to be guinea pigs for merck and other companies when it comes to vaccines (IE. Autism, seizures, etc). They refuse to recognize reports that products can poison and kill us, and tell us they're safe (BPA in plastics, Phathaltes in vinyl, plastics and even body care). Sorry - even if they didn't invent it, I have no doubt they experimented with it.


ETA in close: And I'm quite sure you've said some pretty ignorant things in your life. He who casts the first stone, and all that karma... But hey, good for you for pushing RW talking points to destroy Dem Candidates. Thumbs up to you!!! Rush would be so proud.

[EFerrari]

20. He has multiple advanced degrees and speaks six languages.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

22. No, you're incredibly close-minded

Maybe you should watch the interview and try to understand who Rev. Wright is, instead of dumbly parroting the right wing talking points that have been burned into your brain.

[Rex_Goodheart]

51. Are you denying he made the allegation?

I don't give a damn that it's a "right wing talking point".

[JackORoses]

58. we know. Right Wing Talking Points are Hillarites' Bread and Butter

[Voltaire]

62. Sure he made the allegation

And there is a whole population out there making the same allegation. Hell, I am PART of that population. It would behoove you and people like you to investigate why people would belive such a thing, rather than dismiss their fears out of hand.

Or is that too much for you and people who believe as you do? Some American whites always look at the world through a White American prism. And that is why they are often the last to know about things.

[ZinZen]

41. From your "white" perspective

and not being educated about what has happened within the African American history/culture, I can see why you believe that.

[JackBeck]

42. You lack an understanding of cultural competency.

[Forkboy]

44. Well then, he's smarter than you at least.

Not that that's a major challenge.

[bhikkhu]

56. Where I grew up most people believed UFO's were real

and the government was hiding the facts.

And being raised a Catholic, I was required to believe that the Pope was infallible.

I never believed in papal infallibility, and so of course never believed that priests were infallible. At one time I did believe that the government was covering up the truth about UFO's, though now i think that's just stupid.

Point being: Wright is not fallible as a person or a pastor, and is no less a person for being wrong on a point of fact.

[ecdab]

18. The MSM should take 30 second sound bites out of that and play it over and over

again in an endless loop.

[EFerrari]

23. The video is up at Moyer's site. Maybe one of our vid wiz DUers can.

:)

[ecdab]

39. I'll second that idea. Get at it vid wizzes!

[moc]

21. "What man makes of evil, God makes for good"

His response to Bill's question to how he was handling the shitstorm the MSM created over his sermons.

:cry:

What a blessed, blessed man he is. I wish he were my pastor. :hug:

[quantass]

27. AMAZING Pastor!

[ClayZ]

50. He is a Holy Man!

I just love him!

Watch full sermons here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO


http://www.tucc.org


K and R

[BlueIdaho]

25. I am guilty

of underestimating this good man. I am an Obama supporter but I seriously underestimated the intelligence, depth, and sincerity of Rev. Wright. I think I owe him an apology.

[butterfly77]

64. A lot of people underestimate him because...

they haven't and won't take the time to listen to his sermons, Hannity will be on tonight and I will be watching to see who he brings on to spin it, and which soundbites he will use to brainwash his viewers..but it won't work if they really,really listened to what he had to say but I hear that a lot of his viewer are ignorant so it may go over their heads..

[TexanDem]

26. I thought it was excellent -- almost brought tears to my eyes. >>

I know the evil spinmasters will turn this all into dispicable hatred speech. This should close the subject, but their hearts of stone and blinded eyes will never see the deeper truths that he is trying to present. But we'll just hope for the best. For me personally, I wish had a minister with his wisdom to sit under. If I did, I might would go back to church!

[hollowdweller]

28. I'd like to see the FRONTLINE show from the past on him they played clips of

[progressoid]

29. It's not only the MSM that we need to deal with.

It's the RW gasbags that pollute the airwaves. It wouldn't really matter what Wright said, they will twist and lie about his statements to rile up their knuckle-dragger listeners.

[ginnyinWI]

30. my PBS station is having an auction (fundraiser) instead!

But they are going to show it at 4 a.m.--I'm set up to record it on my DVR. Of all the weeks to pre-empt it!

[EFerrari]

34. Also, the video is up at Moyer's site, ginny. n/t

[bigbrother05]

32. A fine interview, glad to have the chance to see it

Rev. Wright is clearly a religious scholar who followed a calling that came to him early. He and his congregation built a loving, nurturing church that has been a blessing to their community. Bill Moyers is to be commended for presenting the context around the sound bites we've seen (three 30 sec clips from 35 years of preaching) and drew out the biblical/social framework that surrounds Rev. Wright's work.

Some very interesting video from PBS in '87 on Wright and his ministry. He's been recognized nationwide for his work for more than 20 years, before Obama joined his church. As he noted, might not all the effort to distort his views be due to the identity of one of his parishioners?

It's programs like this that let us see the promise of modern media and shines a laser focus on the circus that is the MSM.

[Carolina]

33. Wright showed himself to be

intelligent, educated, sensitive, thoughtful and RIGHT

Fuck FOX, the MSM, HRC and anyone else who wrongly use out-of-context sermon snippets to denigrate this fine man.

[tekisui]

35. Moyers is an asset,

Wright is right.

[aaaaaa5a]

36. I was real nervous about tonight....

however in retrospect I actually WISH HE WOULD HAVE COME OUT SOONER! Am I way off base in thinking that if he had done an interview like that on 20/20 or something several months ago, Obama would have taken less of a hit?


Of course depending on the interviewer, you never know how the MSM would have spun it anyway.

[ClayZ]

37. Brilliant it was absolutely BRILLIANT! K and R

April 25, 2008

Bill Moyers interviews the Reverend Jeremiah Wright in his first broadcast interview with a journalist since he became embroiled in a controversy for his remarks and his relationship with Barack Obama. Wright, who retired in early 2008 as pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where Senator Obama is a member, has been at the center of controversy for comments he made during sermons, which surfaced in the press in March.


Part One: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html


Part Two: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch2.html

[MethuenProgressive]

38. Did he explain how the goverment invented AIDS to commit genocide on people of color?

That's one of his best lines, don't you think?

[bvar22]

40. He DID explain....

...how some people with a devious political agenda will take one soundbyte out of context and repeat it over and over and over.....
You should watch the interview.
If you are lucky, the provided insight will elevate your life.

[MethuenProgressive]

43. "the government invented AIDS to commit genocide on people of color"

He explained that?

[doc03]

48. One thing is obvious Obama found out Rev. Wright

mattered in PA. Obama thought if Rev. Wright would disappear people would forget. So out of the woodwork comes Rev. Wright to put his spin on things. It doesn't really matter if we watch him or agree or disagree with him, the damage has already been done for probably 90% of the voters. No one is going to see that other than the party activists that already support Obama.

[goclark]

55. To not see and understand the interview is a shame

Some would prefer to keep their head in the sand and let Bill O'Reilly pat the dirt with his shovel.

Too bad that we have become a nation of propaganda and dirty tricks in the Corporate Media.

Eyes Wide Shut

[MethuenProgressive]

63. Obama's mentor, Pastor Wright accused our Govenerment of inventing AIDs to kill Blacks.

Should I post the video? Or do you want to go but it from Pastor Wright's website?

[Forkboy]

46. He talked about people like you to great effect.

[MethuenProgressive]

70. "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color."

This message approved by people like you.

[JackBeck]

47. I can't answer that, since I missed the interview.

But I can say that there are historical underpinnings as to why certain cultures ascribe to that belief.

Can you explain why communities of color do not participate in clinical trials and tend to use emergency rooms as primary care?

[newmajority]

49. How do you know they didn't?

you might want to read up on that a little. I'm not going to hijack the thread into an AIDS discussion, but I suggest you research that before dismissing Rev. Wright's comments on the matter.

[TacticalPeek]

54. Moyers kindly made no mention whatsoever of the origin of AIDS or crack cocaine.

Mighty white of him I thought.

The reason to not ask Wright those questions is because he has no good answer.


Here's the Moyers/Wright transcript: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/transcript1.html

:shrug:

:dem:

[butterfly77]

65. You really believe everything your government tells you,,,

Don't you? Some people really believe that a lot of things started happening when Bush began his term, I have many questions about many things this government has done in the past and it didn't just begin 8 years ago. So if wright doesn't give the RIGHT answer then everyone should vote for Mccain or Hillary? RIGHT...

[bvar22]

45. K&R

Positive, uplifting, empowering, thoughtful, intelligent, courageous, spiritual, challenging, REAL .......
I feel privileged to have witnessed this interview.

Yes, Virginia, there IS intelligence on Planet Earth.

Obama is fortunate to have had this man as his pastor,
and I am fortunate to be able to vote for Obama.

[goclark]

52. Bravo to Rev. Wright and Bill Moyers

Let me start with Bill Moyers..... superb, that is a journalist in every sense of the word. He should receive the highest award in his field for this interview.

He asked the tough questions and didn't step in so that we would not not be able to see and hear who the real Rev. Wright was -- not the FAUX Rev. Wright.

He let the light shine on the person interviewed and he was brilliant, simply brilliant!

He truly understood Religion and gifted us with his intellect.
To think that this great man should not be seen every day on a major "News" station is surreal.
Matthews and Company should crawl into a hole in the presence of this MASTER.
Bravo!


Bravo to Rev. Wright.... He gave us profound lessons on RELIGION,RACE,SOCIOLOGY,AMERICAN HISTORY, WORLD HISTORY, URBAN ISSUES and POLITICS. He is brilliant and when you hear him you understand why OBAMA wanted to learn about Christ from Rev. Wright.

I am Christian and as we say in the African American churches when we listen to a great sermon,
, " the good Rev. Wright took us to church this evening, YES.HE.DID!"

[Life Long Dem]

53. This will mean nothing to them. Lies are lies, why would they stop now. n/t

[BigBearJohn]

57. Too bad he is not preaching anymore. He is truly a wise man of God.

I was inspired by his words.
And saddened to face the truth of his sermon.

I am humbled.

[butterfly77]

67. and why were you...

"And saddened to face the truth of his sermon." Is it because you can't handle the truth, I am really surprise that a lot of people don't understand these facts in History. What I loved about it is that he gave a lot of people a short Bible lesson. Let's see how the rightwing spins this will they argue with the bible since they claim to be christians...

[BigBearJohn]

72. No, it is NOT because I can't handle the truth. It's because I'm ashamed of the truth that this

country has committed the atrocities it has committed.

Amazing, how I was trying to say something nice about the preacher
and you have turn it around and throw insults.

[Raine]

59. GREAT interview

a breath of fresh air after the ranting clips that the M$M continually shows.

[dkf]

60. Wow...these are the only sermons I have ever heard that made me understand

why people are Christians.

I've gone to church before with friends, or with family, but I never got it.

We have done Rev. Wright such an injustice...words cannot express how horrified I feel at how he has been treated.

[bhikkhu]

61. I sent PBS an email thanking them

This is the link: http://www.pbs.org/aboutsite/aboutsite_emailform.html

Having sent ABC my thoughts about them after the last Democratic debate, it felt good to be positive and encouraging to a network that still employs journalists and respects people.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

69. Thanks, I just sent a fan letter

:-)

[NYCGirl]

66. I'm a Jew and I would go to his church to hear him. What a remarkable man! NT

[quantass]

68. aaaaaa5a: Once again, I just LOVE your username -- Hahahaha!

:rofl: