If the GOP thinks Obama is so easily beatable, as some people say

[mrreowwr_kittty]

Then why are they running attack ads against HIM in NC and not Sen. Clinton?

:shrug:

[anonymous171]

1. A certain poster here says it's because they WANT him to win NC.

:eyes:

[lisa58]

3. that makes no sense

[Cali_Democrat]

4. OMG that's funny

A poster said that the Republicans want to run attack ads against Obama in North Carolina because they want him to win North Carolina?

[azmouse]

6. Rational thinking just flew out the window.

OMG! They are delusional.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

9. That's because NC is full of black voters who don't count. nt

[papau]

17. because they read Dems as controlled by the Starbucks crowd -Obama a lock

[City Lights]

19. Contortionist logic.

:crazy:

[redqueen]

27. It's amazing... I think i saw the same one saying RW lies are really true.

:think:

[Cali_Democrat]

2. That's the million dollar question Hillary supporters refuse to answer

[OzarkDem]

15. See below

[AtomicKitten]

5. And why is Limbaugh's Operation Chaos voting for her to keep her alive in the primary?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

7. Why, it must be because Obama is unelectable, atomickitten!

I can't think of any other reason why he'd be doing it. I mean, it's so obvious, isn't it? :sarcasm:

[AtomicKitten]

8. the proof is in the pudding

the dark, murky pudding ;)

[gateley]

10. Good question. nt

[chill_wind]

11. There you go, making sense. Now STOP that! n/t

[joeybee12]

12. Simple...they're getting a headstart on beating him up...if Hilary were

ahead in delegates, they'd be running ads against her. SOP...nothing to read into this other than the Repukes trying to define their likely opponent before he defines himself. Again, SOP.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. That's not an SOP that I'm familiar with, and I've been active in politics for years.

You go after the primary candidate of the opposing party that is the strongest against your candidate. I can't imagine, say, in a state lege primary where we'd be attacking the weaker GOP candidate in the primary in order to go on and face the stronger one in the general, no matter which one was actually polling better in the primary. That makes absolutely no sense. We try to get the weaker one to win the primary so we can beat them.

[joeybee12]

20. Well then, you must have been on the losing side...how did George I beat

Dukakis...he defined him first, leaving Michael defensive...Bush 2 defined Kerry with swiftboating about his career, and Kerry spent the rest of the campaign trying to deflect those attacks. Also, Barry whines when criticized, so they see how easy it is to get to him...money well spent on their part.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

29. None of that defining by the GOP happened in PRIMARIES, genius.

As for your "Barry whines" nonsense (the accusation of which is beyond absurd - the man is cool as a cucumber), it's only "money well spent" if they want to eliminate him in the PRIMARY.

[OzarkDem]

14. To hurt Dems running downticket

The NC GOP was pretty open about it. They want to use Obama to hurt Dem candidates who are running in other races on the ballot.

[Cali_Democrat]

23. So your saying the GOP wants Obama to win because they want to hurt Dems down the ticket

That doesn't make any sense. Why would they attack Obama now? Wouldn't they want him to at least be the nominee first and then attack? The NC primary is next and they are smearing him now.

Why are all the right wing tools on TV shilling for Hillary? Why is Karl Rove on the attack against Obama. Why is Rush telling his zombies to vote for Hillary?

Why are the NC Repukes attacking him now? don't they want him to be the nominee and then attack? You logic doesn't pass the smell test.

[OzarkDem]

33. No, the GOP is making Obama look bad

with their negative ads in an attempt to also damage other Democrats running on the same ballot.

They're not as concerned whether Obama wins the primary in NC, they just want to use him to hurt some of the local Dems who are running for election to office in the same election.

[futureliveshere]

16. Its so HRC can also run them and say.. But I'm only doing it because THEY will!!!

Bloody thugs the whole lot!!

[futureliveshere]

18. Notice the NC ads are only out after HRC got slammed for the Obama ad.

[OzarkDem]

34. The state GOP folks were interviewed on tv

giving their reason why they're running the ads.

They could care less about Clinton, they don't like any Democrats and are just using the controversies of one to hurt the others.

[terrell9584]

21. Because they haven't won a gubernatorial election since 1988

North Carolina GOP could care less who is president. It is not the concern of state parties to worry about that, that's why you have a national committee. It is their concern to worry about who is governor, who is in the legislature.

They see a chance, in their own minds, to win the governor's mansion for the first time since 1988, maybe win a few statewide offices. They probably believe that if they can tie every Democratic statewide candidate to Obama that this would cause a drop off in their white votes that would win them the races, and break the Democratic shield that the eastern half of the state represents.

There is also the fact that most rural courthouse rings are still Democratic and they see in this an oppurtunity to break it. Not every political person is most concerned with the White House, in fact, the vast majority could care less about that, that's just a formality, because their patronage and things connected to that. They also are probably scared to death that Mike Easley might run for U.S. Senate in the future, and they think that maybe they could pick off the seats of Heath Shuler and McIntyre.

It has more to do with state politics than national politics, I guarantee that.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

31. I see your point there. Obviously the NC GOP is going after local candidates

Still, it undercuts the argument that the GOP wants Obama to win. If that were the case, they for sure wouldn't be doing anything to decrease his chances in NC or any state. And I don't believe for one minute the story about the RNC not wanting the ad run in NC. Their objection to it, and John McCains, are nothing but a show to get it even more out in the media.

[terrell9584]

32. that's their strategy

McCain will play good cop even as his surrogates say the most horrible things, the idea being that said message gets out and he remains blameless. The same way Reagan always managed to even as he had Atwater crossing the country.

[MindMatter]

22. Because her campaign is $10,000,000 in debt

And the Democrats sure as hell weren't going to run those ads.

[Hippo_Tron]

24. The North Carolina ad thing was designed to make McCain look good

One of McCain's surrogates called the NC GOP and told them to run a controversial ad so that McCain could look good by criticizing his own party for running dirty ads.

This is GOP dirty tricks 101. Clinton and Obama are going at each other and McCain pulls a stunt to make it look like he's "above the fray".

Look at this LA Times Headline

McCain assails North Carolina GOP for Obama ad

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-campaign26apr26,0,3870389.story

It's not "NC GOP runs controversial ad" and then later in the story it mentions that McCain denounces them. The freakin headline is about McCain denouncing his own party.

[redstate_democrat]

25. But he comes off bad in two ways in the eyes of Independents

1. Either he is too weak or ineffective to be president if his own party won't listen to him.

2. He is faking outrage and is basically just another GOP tool who isn't the "Maverick" he says he is.

He loses either way with voters he needs in order to actually win the election in the GE.

[Hippo_Tron]

28. Most people are too stupid to realize #2

And nobody realizes #1 because it never makes the headlines. You will never see a headline like, "McCain unable to control his own party".

And as far as #2 goes, anybody with a brain who is thinking clearly can see that he's faking outrage. But unfortunately most people either don't have brains or aren't using them. Most people voted for George Bush last time, so that's not really a surprise. I'm an Obama supporter and some of my fellow Obama supporters don't even get it. I cringe when I see comments like "John McCain has more class than Hillary Clinton".

Normal people don't read DU and they don't know a whole lot about politics. They read the headline in the LA Times and MAYBE read the story.

[redqueen]

26. Because they don't think that. Anyone who believes that is a fucking moron.

They want Hillary so bad they're not even trying to hide it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

30. whoops there it is...another Obama race card!...damn