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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:05 PM
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Four Ultimate Myths By Clinton Supporters!
Myth #1 Hillary Clinton is winning the popular vote.

No, not true. She is counting Michigan and Florida. And both elections have been ruled to be invalid by the DNC, and Clinton herself has said in the past that neither "count" for anything. Just because she's changing her tune when she's down and nearly out, doesn't mean shit. Michigan didn't even have Senator Obama's name on the ballot, so when the Clinton campaign says she's leading the popular vote they're counting all these votes for themselves and zero for Obama because we don't actually know how many Michigan voters would have voted for Obama if given the chance. So let's say you just count Florida, which had Obama on the ballot--even though he didn't actively campaign there. Hillary Clinton is still losing the popular vote by 46,000 votes in that scenario. But in the end, neither contest is valid by DNC rules. Hillary and her campaign agreed at the time, despite now wanting both to count. So in the actual popular vote, Obama is leading by 300,000+ votes and he's won twice as many states as Hillary!

Myth #2 Senator Obama doesn't want to debate Senator Clinton.

By my last count, we've had 21 debates. We know where Hillary Clinton stands, we know where Barack Obama stands. But Hillary is hoping is that we'll have more debates like ABC had, that aren't about the issues--but instead are witchhunts where she and the media can pounce on Republican talking points like she did with the help of ABC and Clinton pal George Stephanopoulos. If Obama were afraid to debate Clinton, he wouldn't of debated her dozens of times. I've seen so many debates this election, my head could spin. What's one more going to accomplish? Absolutely nothing. The candidates should stick to their current schedule of touching the voters one-on-one, and addressing the issues dearest to them. Not go into another witch hunt debate with the corporate media. 21 debates is more than enough, who needs 22 or 23? Especially if it's going to be about Rev. Wright, Rezko, Wal-Mart, Bosnia, or patriotism. And not healthcare, the economy, or the war.

Myth #3 Pennsylvania put Hillary back into this race, and in a position to possibly win again.

My answer is how? PoliticalWire.com reports that by winning Pennsylvania by the margin she did, when you do the math, it's actually **HARDER** not easier for her to win the nomination. Before PA, she need 63% of the vote in the remaining states to have the chance to get more delegates than Barack Obama. Clinton now needs 296 of the remaining 435 delegates up for grabs (or approximately 68% of the vote.) In contrast, Obama needs 140 of the remaining 435 to have the majority (or about 32% of the vote.) Which means it's not more difficult for her to win the nomination. Her last, best chance is officially over with. She has won some battles, but Obama is winning the war.

Myth #4 Barack Obama isn't electable against John McCain, Hillary Clinton is.

According to the latest RealClearPolitics average of the polls, Barack Obama leads John McCain by 2 points. Clinton leads McCain by only 0.3 points nationwide under the same RCP average of major polling. Rasmussen has Obama leading 47-45% over McCain, while Clinton trails McCain 47-45% in the latest poll used on RealClearPolitics. Polling shows that along the general public, Clinton's unpopularity is rising faster than Obama's. The most recent Washington Post-ABC News poll had 44% of the public feeling favorable toward Clinton, and 54% unfavorable. Obama stands at 56/39, and McCain at 54/40. As we've seen, Obama also attracts independents and moderate Republicans in volumes Hillary Clinton couldn't. He absolutely solidifies the African American base, and brings a lot of younger voters into the mix that otherwise wouldn't be interested in politics or voting. And as Electoral-Vote put it "The bottom line is that while many blue-collar workers prefer Clinton, they still prefer any Democrat to John McCain so the Democrats are not in grave danger of losing states like Pennsylvania that they must win in November. What Obama brings to the table is sudden competitiveness in states like Virginia, Iowa, Missouri, and Colorado, which Republicans normally win easily."



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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:07 PM
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1. Nice, clear thinking after two days of farces
K/R.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:11 PM
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4. Thanks. I just had to see lies pushed forward. n/t
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jconner27 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:07 PM
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2. This is easy
All of this is bull shit from team Obama.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:08 PM
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3. You surely couldn't of read that this fast. Hmmm....Thanks for playing...
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jconner27 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:11 PM
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6. No prob
This is some email flyer you got from Obama.. More BS then facts. But then again Obama supporters don't deal with facts.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:12 PM
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9. I just typed this up myself, actually.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:29 PM
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19. This doesn't even look like an email flyer. There are just enough awkward wordings
that I would say with 100% confidence that this is good old-fashioned homebrew grassroots politics in action.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:33 PM
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22. You could be correct, my friend.
Just some simple opinion coupled with some simple facts.
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jconner27 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:11 PM
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7. No prob
This is some email flyer you got from Obama.. More BS then facts. But then again Obama supporters don't deal with facts.
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:18 PM
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13. Actually... Obama is handling the "fact" of his insurmountable lead rather well
But thanks for playing, troll
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:25 PM
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15. You mean the lead that MSNBC's Chuck Todd said would be impossible for Clinton to overtake?
Ah yes, that one ;)
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:26 PM
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16. Thats all you still got? Better than repug shit from team hill. eom
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:28 PM
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18. Yeah, I know. Sorry I posted my thoughts, and not something from Hillaryis44. Sheesh!
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:11 PM
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5. Re: #4
Let's not forget that Obama has not been running aginat McCain as of yet. He's still fighting the primary.

When he focuses on McCain, that narrow margin in Obama's favor is bound to widen dramatically, as the young and vigorous candidate takes on the tired insider. Again.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:17 PM
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10. Obama will wipe the floor with McSame n/t
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jconner27 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:18 PM
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11. Obama will lose and lose big
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:18 PM
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12. Somebody seems nothing but negative. By the way, still waiting for you to back up your claims above.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:11 PM
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8. K&R
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:25 PM
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14. K&R. eom
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:27 PM
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17. Excellent!
Well said. :applause:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:29 PM
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20. Kayunar!
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:33 PM
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21. Kerry, the North Carolina Dem Party cancelled the debate
I am sick of them pushing this off on Obama!
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:34 PM
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23. I know. 21 debates is enough, anyway. n/t
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:35 PM
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25. yes, that's one of the things they cited and also
that it seems that due to the last debate, the issues are not being discussed.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:35 PM
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24. My brain fights me dentrite and cell when it sees numbers, but...
Is this correct in Myth #3? "...Which means it's not more difficult for her to win the nomination..." Forgive me please if I'm just confused.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:37 PM
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28. it is true...
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 06:37 PM by SunsetDreams
She has to now win 68% of the rest of the remaining primaries. She has only hit 60's range in 1 state, Arkansas.

After May 6th, she has to win by 85%...it's just not possible.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:44 PM
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30. She needed to win by something like 22 points in order to change
the percentages in her favor.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:46 PM
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31. Yep, a simple look at the math shows it to be true.
Before PA, she had to win the remaining states by 63%

Because her win wasn't big enough, and based on delegates and such, she now has to win the remaining by 68%
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:36 PM
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26. Well put - nicely done :-)
:thumbsup:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:36 PM
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27. Well put - nicely done :-)
:thumbsup:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:43 PM
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29. #2
Per Bill: "Put on the pads."

Freeze her out. No debates. Stop acknowledging her. McSame all the time. Goose meet Gander. Good night.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:56 PM
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32. Great job! k/r
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