The logical end of the Democratic Party as we know it.

[Neshanic]

How does it end? By having two clones with the same policies run against each other. Also by having two people that love republicans. They mention a republican at least once a day, and in kind words. Powell is Obama's object of affection, as his performance at the UN reading a script must of put him over the edge. Hillary loves McCain, an old man fetish, a kind of Goldwater holdover.

When two boxes of cereal are the same, it's hard to make a choice.

When we have a candidate that returns to the roots of what the Democratic Party is, that being calling out republicans, not sucking up to corporations, standing up for the nickeled and dimed poor, and seriousness on ending the war now, then the transition will begin.

Now we have two identical people, who say identical things basically. The real world common working person issues are not seriuosly addressed.

It may take a loss of another Presidential contest to get this out of the system. The hurt just has not come home enough, but given the chance, a Republican can deliver it, they have never dissapointed in the past.

Now we are headed for a certain loser. Gains in the House and Senate, but as of now, it's McCains to lose. With our two nitwits we will be more than happy to oblige.

Be prepared for change, and not a pre-packed focus group change. The change that will occur will come from people that are tired and have had it, and will not allow people like Clinton and Obama on a stage and laugh them off it, let alone run for president, The New Democratic party will come from people who will not be afraid to say the things that need to be said without how that will affect their corporate pals running in a loop in the back of their minds.

We will lose in November. That's a fact. Then, maybe then, the real change begins.

Oh, and the Obamists, please spare me the shit. Your guy is so corporate, it's sickening.

[QC]

1. They are not indentical!

Their genitalia, complexions, and hair are completely different!

[Demeter]

2. There Is NO Logic At Work Here

There's just too damn much politeness and/or fear.

[FSogol]

3. Defeatist. McCain has already lost. No one likes him.

McCain couldn't even beat Bush in 2000. Now he's going to defeat a good Democratic candidate?

[Neshanic]

4. McCain's win will be like McGovern. It will be epic and a big surprise to people like you.

[guyanakoolaid]

5. We will "loose", huh?

Who's gonna tighten?

And for your BS of an OP: one candidate clearly loves war,PAC/lobbyist money, and right-wing campaign tactics, while the other has talked about specific ways to open up government transparency, including the accounting for every dollar coming in and out and C-Span televising important hearings like energy policy.

And if you're done wiping the puke off yourself, please tell me with facts and links how Obama is "so corporate", or spare me your shit

[Neshanic]

6. When he writes his book when he loses, be sure to buy it.

[guyanakoolaid]

10. And now back to the question you're avoiding... gonna back up your crap talk?

Please explain with facts and links how Obama is "corporate"

[Neshanic]

17. Again as below, Obamists are factually challenged with reality issues.

[guyanakoolaid]

20. And now back to the question you're avoiding... gonna back up your crap talk?

Please explain with facts and links how Obama is "corporate"

[Bluenorthwest]

29. Right wing campaign tactics like...

Holding events where famous Republican gay bashing Evangelists got up as Obama surrogates and bashed away, as a way to attract the votes of bigoted religious people? What could be more GOP than baiting a hook with a minority to attact the religiously intolerant?
So I assume you mean Obama when you say one clearly loves right wing campaign tactics? That was in October, so he set the pace, he dug the hole.
Or do you think using religion as a wedge and minority Americans as bait for bigot votes is a good Democratic tactic? Please share.
My Illinois relatives talk about Excelon and Obama as if they were one in the same, and they point to Obama's eager vote for Cheney's energy bill to prove his willing shilling.
To me it is clear that Obama is a pro Nuke gay baiter who voted to extend the Patriot Act one day between funding a war he once called stupid. Cystal clear.
Pointing fingers about tactics when your guy held open attacks on a Democratic voter base is hypocritical. And it prevents y'all from noticing that if Obama was not such a gay baiter, he would have already won the nomination. Yep. It's close. His anti-gay events and refusal to say he will not do more of them has lost my vote. I'll probably give the primary a pass this year. His whole thing of sucking up to Fundies in the South and then criticizing religion in Penn is creepy. And hypocritical.
Being able to remember back a few months makes it easy to see two identical candidates, desperate for promotion. One gay bashes, the other does not.
I wish there was a real Democrat to vote for!

[guyanakoolaid]

32. I'm sure you'll have NO trouble providing a weblink about this "event"?

[olkaz]

7. I want the last two minutes of my life back.

I think your post will also loose in November.

[Neshanic]

8. Simple, get that time back by stuffing Obama envelopes.

[oviedodem]

9. Please explain how Obama is a corpratists when Hillary face was plastered in Fortune with the headin

"Business Loves Hillary"

[frickaline]

11. your sexist remark disgusts me

"Hillary loves McCain, an old man fetish"

grow up.

[Neshanic]

13. You forgot racist sexist. Please note.

[Neshanic]

12. I have learned not to confront Obamists with facts. They have a hard time with reality as it is.

[cali]

21. bwahahaha.

you? judging from your posts you wouldn't know a fact if it kicked you swiftly in your bitter butt. Clue: It is not a fact that the dems will lose the White House in November. Sad that you don't know that. There's not a fact in your bitter little diatribe.

[Neshanic]

22. I love how you worked bitter in there. Kudos to you.

[Neshanic]

23. If anyone is going to deserve the big "I told you so" it will be you.

[cali]

25. I'm not the one making absolutist predictions

I leave that to the hopelessly stupid, dear.

[guyanakoolaid]

24. You have a hard time with facts period it sounds like.

Sorry you can't be bothered with little things like "facts" to back up your inane bullshit

[Swamp Rat]

14. "We will loose in November. That's a fact." - No, it is not a fact.

As far as we know, about our physical universe, the future is an unformed concept or state of being.

I disagree with the idea we must wait until we lose in order to, maybe, experience real change, whatever it is.

I prefer a much more pro-active approach to shaping my future, within my realm of control, so it is not left up to others as much as possible.

As for the coming election in November, I believe we are going to beat the pants off the GOP. However, if we just sit back and let them win because our candidate is not perfect (or for whatever reason), then we will rue the worst change possible: a new, neo-fascist Supreme Court that will overturn laws that protect our civil liberties. For that reason alone I will vote for ANY of the Democratic candidates, and so should everyone else who posts at DU.







Remember: SCOTUS nominations. Vote the Democratic ticket.

[cali]

15. LOL! Not an iota of logic in the OP. Too funny.

And chock a block full of lies and misrepresentations. Great accomplishment!

Let's deconstruct the OP. Are Hillary and Obama identical? They're similar on the issues. They're quite different on temperment. And that's a significant factor. There's not a scrap of evidence that either "loves republicans" and of course that's simplistic to the point of simple minded. And do try learning to write a simple declarative statement correctly- though I must confess, this is a riot- "Powell is Obama's object of affection, as his performance at the UN reading a script must of put him over the edge."

We are not headed for a certain loss this year. That's called speculation, dear. Speculation is not fact. Really not that difficult to grasp for most folks.

Hard to find an OP as stupid, ignorant, bitter as the one you just shat out. You bitter delusional Edwards deadenders are pathetic.

[iamahaingttta]

16. These two boxes of cereal are NOT the same!

One is Rice Krispies and the other is Cocoa Krispies.
I prefer Cocoa Krispies.
One or the other will be running against Frankenberries in November.

[Neshanic]

18. And the suprise in each box is McCain!

[QC]

19. No, one is Rice Krispies and the other is Krispy Rice. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

26. New lie of the day: Obama is just as bad as Clinton...

... Man, you guys are really running on empty.

[cali]

30. no one bitterer than an

Edwards deadender who can't move on. but actually the OP is unintentionally quite funny

[BlooInBloo]

31. Aw - I feel bad - Edwards was my guy too. I didn't dwell on it though.

[scheming daemons]

27. The Clintons are a cancer on the Democratic party.....

...

Obama is not "more of the same". He's not ideal.... but he's not cancerous, like Hillary is.

[madrchsod]

28. well you made me wonder why should i vote this fall

and i have come to this conclusion....

i`m not voting!

since the differences you point out between all the candidates is so small it would be pointless to vote for anyone at all!

therefore, i`d like to thank you for lifting my burden of making an informed decision on who i should vote for.