Hard to Believe She Threw Both Gore and Kerry Under the Bus

[Vinca]

Of all the things said over the past few days, I find this one just about the hardest to get around. For starters, we know Gore won the 2000 election. Kerry would have won, too, if the other side hadn't been in control of Diebold. For her to denigrate these highly respected people and pull them into her nasty spiel, is outrageous. Just who the hell does she she think is?:mad:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/13/clinton-gore-and-kerry-we_n_96452.html

[redqueen]

1. No, it really isn't.

Not to me, anyway. Not anymore.

[islandmkl]

2. WIN at all costs...

or lose and cost all....

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. Why is that hard to believe?

She stabbed Kerry in the back over his Bush joke.

[datopbanana]

4. uh hello. she heard the story about gore endorsing obama so she has to delegitimize him

She's the Delegitimizer

[crankychatter]

5. Sounds like the new DLC Militancy

how far will they go?

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. She had to do that to Gore because of the reported coming endorsement

By Chris Stephen
in New York
DEMOCRAT grandees Jimmy Carter and Al Gore are being lined-up to deliver the coup de grâce to Hillary Clinton and end her campaign to become president.
Falling poll numbers and a string of high-profile blunders have convinced party elders that she must now bow out of the primary race.

Former president Carter and former vice-president Gore have already held high-level discussions about delivering the message that she must stand down for the good of the Democrats.

"They're in discussions," a source close to Carter told Scotland on Sunday. "Carter has been talking to Gore. They will act, possibly together, or in sequence."

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/It39s-Obama-stupid-Carter-and.3976738.jp

[NeedleCast]

7. Not Hard to Believe

Considering the pile of notable Democrats she's already pushed off the curb.

[Texas Hill Country]

8. you may not remember the past. they BOTH came off as liberal elite robots because they were painted

that way by the repukes. remember the whole thing about who you would like to have a beer with? Remember that whole thing about how people felt like Dubya was one of them and respected them and was talking TO them?

You know, kinda like the FRIGGING OPPOSITE OF WHAT OBAMA JUST DID!!!!!

[Lerkfish]

16. so, you're praising Bush and trashing Obama?

are you sure you're on the correct website?

[blm]

9. The Clinton grip on the Dem party is the REASON election fraud has never been dealt with

properly. TeamClinton needed Dem voters to believe that it was OTHER reasons that Gore and Kerry lost to assure the mindset in the party that it NEEDED Clintons and their style of politics to win. No securing of the election process was done as none was needed as per TeamClinton.

[Texas Hill Country]

11. this comment is disgusting and baseless.

[mod mom]

20. READ THIS ENTIRE ARTICLE:

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)


By M.J. Rosenberg | bio




On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

-snip

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

-snip

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


IF EITHER GORE OR KERRY WOULD HAVE TAKEN OFFICE, THEN CLINTON (WHO BELIEVED THIS ELECTION WAS GOING TO BE A CAKE WALK) WOULD NEVER HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO RUN IN 2008. Their silence on the disenfranchisement of Af Am/people of color voters after both elections was deafening!

[mod mom]

23. She waited until 2006 (how politically expedient of her) to acknowledge what occurred in OH

in 2004:

Remarks of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at ACORN’s 2006 National Convention
July 10, 2006

-snip




Now there’s so many important issues that we’ve got to tackle in our country, isn’t there? But the only way we can do that is if we get people in government who will actually listen. So I want to add another item to your agenda which I know you’re already working on across the country – let’s make sure that we count every vote in our elections from now until we finally get people elected who represent the will and interests of the American people. I have legislation called just that, Count Every Vote Act. My good friend Stephanie Tubbs Jones whose going to be with you at the minimum wage rally. She and I held a hearing in Cleveland last year. It would have broken your heart. People were lined up to tell us how they showed up to vote and they had to wait hours. No machines. You know, you could drive down the road however and there were plenty of machines. It depended on who lived where and what their potential voting patterns were. That is not America. I don’t care whether you’re a Republican, a Democrat, an Independent or hate politics, this country deserves to have an electoral system that has integrity, that has the trust of the people, whose results we can believe in.

And I know that’s been a problems here in Ohio. And I hope that everybody in Ohio, you watch this election like a hawk. Don’t let them pull anything over your eyes again. I mean, I find it amazing that one of the people running for high office is actually running the elections. That should not be permitted, that is a conflict of interest. You know, it used to be we would look at other countries and we’d say, oh gosh they can’t run an election. Well wow, they’re putting us to shame a lot of other countries are. We’ve got to take back our democracy. You know our democracy doesn’t belong to any one political party. It doesn’t belong to people who are already are privileged or powerful, it belongs to everyone. And we’ve got to reassert that now. And the only way we can is by electing people who believe as we believe that America’s values are worth standing up for, America’s ideals are worth standing there and fighting for. And we have to begin in this November electing people to Congress and state offices who will listen to the people and will begin to get America back on track so that we can make the right decisions going forward. We’re going to need your help in these elections in November, because unless we take back one or both houses of Congress, we will not be able to stop the agenda of the right wing Republicans, the Bush Republicans, in Washington…

-snip

ttp://sweetness-light.com/archive/hillary-clinton-claims-2004-elections-stolen-in-ohio

[mod mom]

19. It floored me that Bill, who was once touted as our first "black president" remained silent

about the batant disenfranchised me of Af Am voters (including those serving in Iraq) in Floridia in 2000 and then again with challenges, misallocation of machines, purges, and other dirty trick directed at Af Am voters in Ohio in 2004. It is no wonder that Af Americans have turned their backs on the Clintons. I can tell you that the Af Am Obama supporters I am working with on the campaign will never vote for Hillary should she become the nominee.

[tabasco]

10. She's a republican.

She condemns everything good about the Democratic party.

She uses liberal as a slur.

[LisaM]

12. Well, in the case of the 2004 election, at least, it was true

Kerry should have won by 50 million to nothing, based on events from 2000-2004. However, he was cast as an elitist fortune hunter by the press (including a knock by Candy Crowley that he ordered green tea at a restaurant - ridiculous comment on her part). I agree there is a good chance Kerry probably DID win, but if he'd won by the margin he should have, there would not have been any doubt. Just look back at some of the framing of the time.

[blm]

35. Bullshit - the best known Dems were SUPPORTING BUSH on Iraq - the Clintons

Lieberman, and most of the last Dem administration, and they were doing it PUBLICLY, and in Bill's case, very high profile interviews for his entire summer book tour.

What planet were you on that it was easy with the unprecedented actions of the last Dem president publicly defending the GOP president against the criticisms of his war policy being leveld at him from the Dem nominee?

Kerry won. RNC stole that election for Bush and Terry McAuliffe's DNC let them do it.

[SKKY]

13. Because they were elitists?

No, Gore "lost" the election because the current presidents brother is the Governor and his Daddy is friends with most of the sitting members of the supreme court. Kerry lost the election because Mary Beth Cahill is the worst campaign manager in the history of politics, and she advised him not to respond to the swiftboat adds. If this were truly the case, only candidates who grew up in trailer parks would win. (Which, to be honest I wouldn't see that as bad because I did grow up in one and perhaps I'd like to be president when I grow up!) It just goes to show which of the three candidates is out of touch.

[Texas Hill Country]

14. it never should have been that close... and what she said is that we allowed the Repukes to

define us that way, and that we enabled it then, and that Obama's comments feed right into it.

[SoCalDem]

15. Hillary is all about Hillary.. She is OWED this, dammit..

and whomever she has to "kill" to get it, she's gonna "kill"..

she put up with a wretched cheating husband, public humiliation and republican harassment for decades, and she wants this so bad she can taste it..

A desperate animal, when cornered will attack anything and anyone..

just what we want in a president..right?? :scared:

[MadAndy]

17. Actually, Kerry threw her under the bus first by endorsing BO and she never got along with Gore.

[anonymous171]

22. How exactly did Kerry "throw her under the bus" by endorsing Obama?

[Chulanowa]

25. The queen is entitled, obviously

If you favor someone else, you are a traitor against Her Majesty's grand personage.

[MadAndy]

28. Such an endorsement shows a lack of respect to her majesty. She was not amused.

[oasis]

31. Kerry needs to retire from the senate. There are a couple MA reps who

can fill the bill without being as tiresome.

[saracat]

18. This is really sad. She threw neither under the bus. They "were" viewed as elitist.

And that is a fact. The idiots in this nation were all hung up on who they would have "a beer with" don't you remember? She doesn't say they "were eleitiist" She says they were "viewed " that way. That is how the press presented them, as elite liberals.remember the comments about the Kerry windsurfing? A nd how they snarkily treated his " hunting" ? She stated they were both "good men". She didn't attack them.

The fact is that while I believe both of them actually "won', If a larger percentage of voters didn't buy that "elitist "spin both Gore and Kerry would have been elected because the election couldn't have been stolen if it was wom by a large enough margin.

[Bensthename]

24. And is she trying to make the front runner an elitist?? Hmm, I think so..

[saracat]

30. And soooo? Not only is he "elitist" she is only using the words from his own mouth. Gore and Kerry

had "manufactured " attacks. it is amazing how somr act as though Clinton isn't supposed to campign against barack. He can use anything he wants against her and she is supposed to not use his own words to fight back? Yeah, I know, she is "supposed to drop out" and celebrate the "beatification of St. Barry." Forget the rest of the primaries. just think. Many would like Pennsylavania not to count either.

[Bensthename]

32. You should watch this clip of Obama today, maybe yesterday..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxmi3e2Vmo

Using the words from his own mouth, out of context..
Please watch this and respond if you like.

[saracat]

33. I was going to but I can't spend 9 minutes on him. And honestly

why does it matter how he "justifies" it? He also made the same statement in 2004.

[GoesTo11]

21. She doesn't care because all she wants is for Obama to lose

Who needs the party leaders - or even a united party - when you're not going to be running in the fall and you just don't want the other guy in your party to win if you can't.

[Two Americas]

26. she didn't

It is silly to claim that she did.

The party definitely does have a problem with appearing to be elitist. The style and campaigns of both Gore and Kerry reinforced that. That seems to me to be a more important truth for us to hear than Obama's remarks were.

Pressed on whether she truly believes Obama is an elitist, Clinton called him "a good man," but recalled the narratives of the 2000 and 2004 president election.

"You don't have to think back too far to remember that good men running for president were viewed as being elitist and out of touch with the values and lives of millions of Americans," she said.

Sorry, there is no "nasty spiel" there, nothing "outrageous," no one is being "thrown under the bus" and no one is being "denigrated."

Kerry and Gore did lose - they quit, they didn't fight for their voters.

All that said, I am no fan or supporter of Clinton and do not think that she is necessarily any better or would have done things any differently.

[Abacus]

27. It's gotta be getting pretty crowded under there

I really don't know how she can make comments like that and expect that the supers will support her already highly improbable candidacy.

[saracat]

34. Not as crowded as the one with obama grandma, and the Wilsons and Gen. Clark

and Elton John among others!Oh yeah and the CBC as well.

[politicasista]

29. Not suprising.

The Clintons have always looked out for themselves.