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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:09 AM
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****** BREAKING: BOOK BAG GATE *********
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 04:27 AM by mythyc
<pre-note: GinnyinWI: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5389336&mesg_id=5391184 inspired this when she said she couldn't remember carrying book bags back then after racking her brain. I take this as seriously as it is or isn't true. if debunked no biggie-- it was a fascinating trip through images and history, which at the least i hope you enjoy. if not debunked, well, yet another instance of dishonesty in those parts; we're used to it, but think about its context on yesterday's day in history...>

Find me one picture online of a female student carrying her books in a book bag in the 1960s. Just one. I looked, for awhile. Because it's fun ---- revealing her silly stupid manipulative little lies. I left out pictures of protests. Although no protest photo I could find had a student male or female holding a bookbag, it's understandable that one might be having too hard a time dodging riot police to wield a book bag.

Bonobo has already compiled Hillary photo's circa 1968 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5389336&mesg_id=5389674). no bookbag in sight. To his list I add:

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note: all pictures are between 1965-1973 (though I pushed for 1967-1969) ; purses don't count :P

Observe every other picture I could find of any students of the period:

first the close ups, holding books, not bags. Also observe backgrounds... all carrying books, not bags:

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now for some historical context. I'm sure we've all seen these pictures, but have ever looked for book bags in them? (brief cases don't count, and only men (James Meredith in picture 1) are carrying them anyway). Also ponder, the weight of this history, and that this is the legacy that Hillary is exploiting and trying to politically profiteer...



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most important for current purposes: --- at Little Rock, as soldiers escort those brave 9 African American students, the rest of the student body observes. Not a single back pack on all those backs...



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and now general memory lane college life fun:

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verdicts? :shrug: :D

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edit to add pre-note
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:13 AM
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1. Verdict: Somebody needs a too-much-time-on-their-hands bag.
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 04:21 AM by A-Schwarzenegger
:radio:

Still, looking at them again, some great pics.
Isnt that one with the double-breasted suit from like the 40s?
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:28 AM
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22. Wrong! I had a book bag back in the late 50's. It was canvass
and had leather straps. There were not many abut several of us in my elementary school had book bags. When I went to college in 1960 I had to use a book bag because my chemistry and physics books were numerous and bulky. I didn't use the bag all the time. Many of us preferred to carry books in our arms without bags but they definitely existed.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:17 AM
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23. I didnt say you didnt have a bookbag!
:hi:
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 02:51 PM
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77. Hillary supporters just don't like inconvenient facts/pictures.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 03:03 PM
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82. Hillary supporter?!
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 03:03 PM by A-Schwarzenegger
I just hurled my book bag across the room!
Not to mention a little of my lunch.
Then I looked through all my pictures and youre not in them,
ipso facto nauseatum, you dont exist.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:21 AM
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2. Maybe She's Just Lying About Her Age Instead.
Hard to tell with her anymore. :rofl:
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:20 PM
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105. .
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:23 AM
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3. I'm not up on the book bag thing.
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 04:55 AM by Life Long Dem
And this story doesn't coincide with what she says was her behavior back then.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5392425
During Nixon's time she tried to take Nixon's constitutional rights away when she worked at a law firm, or something along those lines.

Agree though, no book bags back then.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:45 AM
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12. Zeifman again? When are you going to stop posting this garbage?
He "talks" to Eleanor Roosevelt's ghost about Hillary to doesn't want Bill to get a second term, beats up Ted Kennedy in fine republican style, wants Pelosi removed, does a tap dance of happiness over Wright's removal and replacement with Trent Lott (Hello?), accuses John and Robert Kennedy of planning political assassinations in Congo, Vietnam, and the Dominican Republic, announces his open support of Lieberman in the last election, accuses the democrats of wanting to keep Nixon in office "twisting in the wind".

...Did you say this guy is a democrat?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:12 AM
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16. #1.Hillary talks to Eleanor Rossevelt too. #2.What he said is FACTUAL & on historical record
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 07:13 AM by cryingshame
regarding Hillary's tenure with Judicial group handling Impeachment of Nixon.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:16 AM
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17. What he said is a bunch of republican talking points.
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 07:19 AM by cornermouse
He approves of Trent Lott. He accuses the Kennedy brothers of planning multiple assassinations and he supports Lieberman over Lamont and is tickled pink that Lieberman won so that he can get on tv (see last Sunday) and tell people to vote for McCain. He's simply not credible and probably should be banned from DU as a source.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:27 AM
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4. Interesting point and fun pics...takes me back...
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 04:30 AM by PCIntern
I had a book bag in high school in the 60's...it was essentially a canvas pouch with a cinching cord which closed it and allowed me to throw it over my shoulder. A few of us had them...but you're right...I can't recall seeing a female carrying one in those days.

But her speech was such a total fabrication...when I watched it last night of KO, there was the sound of jaw hitting floor when even Mrs. PCIntern said, "She's lying. That's ridiculous. Look at her bullshit everyone." And so far, she is/was voting for Hillary.

That was the most disingenuous statement/story I've heard in a long time from a Democrat. I was there in '68...I know how we felt...it was a troubled time to say the least. But it would be the equivalent, say 40 years from now, of my kid running for political office and saying, "When 9/11 happened, I was in school that morning and when they told us about the towers and the Pentagon, I began to weep uncontrollably for the lost lives and the destruction, and the fallout from the dust, and I just knew that life would never be the same - that all the pieces from the building represented my shattered soul. I knew then that I was forever changed, even though I was only eleven years old. I unexpectedly and violently shoved all the books and papers from my school desk with one violent sweep of my arm."
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:31 PM
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96. .
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:39 AM
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5. Oh for God's sake, this BS is ridiculous.
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 04:40 AM by hnmnf
And I'm referring to this BS "Bookbag gate"
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:56 AM
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6. I for one am disgusted by all this train-wreck stuff too...
it's demeaning to the process and to he individuals.

But, like a train-wreck, you just can't help yourself but watch WHEN THE CANDIDATE TEES HIMSELF OR HERSELF UP LIKE THIS.

I mean...what are we going to talk wbout here...arcane points of doestic and foreign policy...rehashing the crimes of the Bush Family...the ridiculousness of NAFTA from the get-go?

This we all know...it's a question of who's going to come up with a real GE Campaign, and if that kind of statement is the best she has to offer, then she's in real trouble. Sorry - and I'm no anti-Clintonite. Sorry again.

BTW, I still havent' decided for whom I'm voting here in PA. He has his problems too.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:05 AM
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7. BTW... who are you kidding?
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 05:08 AM by Life Long Dem
It's about her and her truthfulness. She doesn't have any and as for 40 years? She goes back 40 years of not being truthful. That is what it is about.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:38 AM
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10. why are you directing this at me?
I'm as unimpressed by her 'performance' as anyone.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 03:01 PM
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81. Thanks, Life Long Dem..of course, it's about her
"truthfulness" and anyone who doesn't get that should think some more on it.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:04 AM
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59. Still a lot of issues to discuss
A lot of voters, even on this forum, are still uneducated about the difference between Obama and Clinton on quite a few major issues. Many sell their votes short by assuming they're both the same. Not.

If Obama supporters don't want to discuss issues and have so much time on their hands, maybe they should go out and campaign for him, or start looking for summer jobs. Posting endless drivel with the faux scandal of the moment is ridiculous.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:26 PM
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95. umm
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:19 AM
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18. Tell me about it.
"I looked at pictures of Hillary and she ain't got no bookbag in them!"

:eyes:
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:33 AM
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8. You know, this is pretty ridiculous. Some people carried book bags even in the 60's.
Just because you couldn't find a picture of one in use doesn't mean that no one used them. They were simple canvas bags with shoulder straps something like this.

I think some of you have an obsession, It's not healthy. You can get help.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:27 AM
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21. Pah-leeeeeeeeeze.....
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 07:27 AM by Hepburn
.....no one would have been caught dead with something like that and, besides, no one carried book bags. If you think differently, then YOU find a ton of pics that show differently, OK?

Just deal with it...Hillary lied AGAIN.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:58 AM
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58. Oh, how about this article comparing vintage 60s and 70s bookbags
with those of today? I was born in 1952, and I can assure you that book bags were in use from at least 1959, when I started first grade, on to through today. General rule of thumb: any statement that starts with NO ONE or EVERYONE is wrong.

http://www.cfkeep.org/html/snapshot.php?id=78487122877023
<snip>

Unlike the 1960's, bags of all sorts, even plain old shoulder bags used on a daily basis, have become fashion statements that can make or break an outfit.

The Greek shoulder bag, which has no association with Fraternity/Sorority life, was widely popular among University of Maryland female students during the late 1960's and much of the 1970's. The rectangular shaped shoulder bag came in an assortment of colors, made of loom woven cotton, and fringed bottom corners. It is held by a twisted cord rope strap, so that women could adjust the length by knotting it.

The Greek shoulder bag was fashionable, convenient, and practical. However, unlike today, it was not held in such high regard as a fashion statement that it could make or break an outfit. Now that the handbag is so crucial to fashion and is extremely costly, looking back to when these shoulder bags were carried is somewhat odd considering the difference of importance in handbags through time. The price of this bag, in comparison to shoulder bags today, is extremely affordable.

In present time, a bag is so much more. There is a fascinating variety of handbags for every mood, outfit and occasion. Handbags have turned into an important fashion statement that probably costs just as big. In fact, it is not just the designer handbags that are so costly, but even school bags are expensive. The Herve Chapelier is a popular bookbag among students, just as the Greek shoulder bag was, which costs approximately $150 for a simple tote bag. This bag is approximately $140 more than the Greek shoulder bag that was utilized for the same purpose.
<snip>

Unlike the 1960's, bags of all sorts, even plain old shoulder bags used on a daily basis, have become fashion statements that can make or break an outfit.

The Greek shoulder bag, which has no association with Fraternity/Sorority life, was widely popular among University of Maryland female students during the late 1960's and much of the 1970's. The rectangular shaped shoulder bag came in an assortment of colors, made of loom woven cotton, and fringed bottom corners. It is held by a twisted cord rope strap, so that women could adjust the length by knotting it.

The Greek shoulder bag was fashionable, convenient, and practical. However, unlike today, it was not held in such high regard as a fashion statement that it could make or break an outfit. Now that the handbag is so crucial to fashion and is extremely costly, looking back to when these shoulder bags were carried is somewhat odd considering the difference of importance in handbags through time. The price of this bag, in comparison to shoulder bags today, is extremely affordable.

In present time, a bag is so much more. There is a fascinating variety of handbags for every mood, outfit and occasion. Handbags have turned into an important fashion statement that probably costs just as big. In fact, it is not just the designer handbags that are so costly, but even school bags are expensive. The Herve Chapelier is a popular bookbag among students, just as the Greek shoulder bag was, which costs approximately $150 for a simple tote bag. This bag is approximately $140 more than the Greek shoulder bag that was utilized for the same purpose.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:10 AM
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62. Everyone used the Greek shoulder bag in the 60's
That's what I used all through high school and they were using them on college campuses, too. They were everywhere.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:16 AM
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104. Yep, there were book bags in the sixties.
The first ones to show up at UTAustin were plain green canvas with a cinch cord handle. You could carry them slung over your shoulder, or purse-fashion. I had one of those; later bought a bright pink one with a printed design. You carried them to and from class, not to protests or social events. (And the very "social"--sorority sisters and fratrats--didn't carry them at all. Too "hippie/SDS".)

As for those nitwits who are making an issue of this--please, get help. You're suffering from an unhealthy obsession. There are medications that can make your lives better.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:06 AM
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61. I used one like that in the 70's
It had a photo of Harpo Marx on the side. Still have it somewhere.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:36 AM
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9. NOW THIS IS INVESTIGATION!!!Thank You!!....And so...The B*tch lied to us AGAIN!!!! That's it!
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 05:37 AM by quantass
:rofl:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:30 AM
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35. ...
:eyes:
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:40 AM
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11. The book bag itself may be the least of it --
I remember the heavy canvas bags with shoulder straps that guys carried. There is no reason to assume that Hillary didn't or wouldn't have had one. It's not significant.

What I find more telling is the artificiality in her discourse--she appears to be READING her statement. If this was such an emotional event for her (as it supposedly was, since she was tearing up), she surely could have "winged it" rather than read.

But thanks for the pix, anyway. It takes me back to the time we wore matching sweater and skirt sets, with the sweaters buttoned up the back, penny loafers and knee-high socks. Candy bars cost a nickel each and were larger... well, I guess I shouldn't get started.

Actually 1968 was a horrendous year - the whole country seemed to reel from one thing to the next, and after the summer riots it didn't seem that we would ever recover.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 03:14 PM
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84. That's it...I feel like team hilary dreamed
this one up for the cameras.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:19 AM
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13. This is the bottom line:
Anyone who would wear striped pants like Hillary is wearing in the top photo should be immediately disqualified to run for president.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:19 AM
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24. I like a person who doesn't judge their candidate by their
appearance...Shows Intelligence.... Should Obama be judged by his? Think about it....
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:37 AM
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38. Barry was a cool dude in 1979
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:25 AM
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46. It's a joke dogday.
!
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:27 AM
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47. Sure it is... Just like every other insult about appearance
and images to reflect it... Forgive me if I just don't get it..
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 02:35 PM
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74. My "ignore" list just got longer
n/t
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:10 AM
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99. How could your ignorance be any longer...
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:13 PM
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73. hey, you gotta admit..,
those are some uggglllly pants :)
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:28 AM
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33. Striped Pants Were Pretty Mod - Still Are
They take a certain flair to pull off in this day and age, though.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 02:49 PM
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76. I had a pair of pants like that and
I also had a pair of "op-art" pants with a bullseye on the "bottom" :rofl:


fun times indeed :)

but I NEVER ever had a book-bag :)
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Ronnie Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:49 PM
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86. I had a pair of pants just like that.
And I carried a bookbag.
BTW: Silly comes in a can too.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:02 PM
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87. HEY!
I had a pair like that -- and I'm a guy. It was the '60s. Get over it!

But the only ones I ever saw with "book bags" were nerds, who tended toward the lawyer-type briefcases, and commuters who couldn't run back to their room between classes to get different books.

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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:42 AM
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14. I was born in 1960 and I remember in elementary school
we were required to have a bag for our books, but they weren't called "book bags." They were called "satchels."
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:20 AM
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26. I had one that matched my umbrella.. I was only six
but I loved it... My older sister never had one...
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:35 AM
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37. Of course you did.
;-)
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:26 AM
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31. I Was Born in 1963 and Had a Book Bag
As the others described, it was canvas and had buckles.

I think this thread is the most hysterical thing, ever, if this is what anti-HC people are now reduced to, it truly demonstrates the need for some people to get back on their anti-psychotics.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:25 AM
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66. It is silly, since we already have a pattern of lies showing her to be dishonest from the word go.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:01 AM
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15. I'm a couple of years younger than Hillary and I have no memory
of ever seeing a "book bag." Doesn't mean it wasn't true, but after the Bosnia tale, my suspicions were immediately raised. I would like to see a picture of her with a black armband, too, and I'd be curious to know the whole story about how she shook hands with MLK.
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:22 AM
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19. I was in school in 1968 - there were NO book bags
One geeky kid in high school had a briefcase. I remember book satchels - usually blue or green plaid - for the elementary kids. But there was no such thing as a book bag and backpacks themselves were unknown to all but hikers.
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salbi Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:31 AM
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100. I was born in 61, i remember satchels but very few kids used them
I think my parents bought me a satchel in elementary school, but I never used it. We just carried our books.
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Catbird Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:23 AM
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20. Bookbags in Boston
I am about the same age as Hillary Clinton and also went to college in the Boston area. WE HAD BOOKBAGS. We took them to class; we just didn't carry them everywhere and take pictures of them. We also had some really ugly pants that for some reason were regarded as stylish. I think their main qualification was that our mothers didn't like them.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:23 AM
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28. "We also had some really ugly pants that for some reason were regarded as stylish."
:rofl:

Thank you. I needed a laugh this morning.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:20 AM
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25. zOMG
I cannot BELIEVE you wasted this much bandwidth and time on this.

:rofl:
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:21 AM
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27. OMG.
Now THIS is jumping the shark!!
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:24 AM
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29. an eye-witness account from Indiana U (yes, they had b-bags)
What Did it Matter? The Legacy of Protest
McCarthyism, Vietnam, racism: These were among the targets during two decades of protests at IU.
By John Branigin

A crowd surrounds the university president's house, chanting slogans. Students stage a sit-in on a running track, calling for the elimination of race restrictions in the charters of fraternities and sororities. A rally against the government's foreign policy results in a near-riot when counterprotesters turn on the demonstrators.

These events sound familiar when referring to student unrest in the 1960s, particularly in such well-known hotbeds as the University of California at Berkeley or Columbia. But they all took place on the Bloomington campus....

The more liberal students, often derogatorily referred to as "green-baggers" after the dark green book bags they carried, particularly pushed the limits of administrative tolerance.

http://alumni.indiana.edu/magazine/issues/200103/protest.shtml

(And a personal account: Lots of people carried bookbags at Harvard in 1968 when I was a student there. The Coop sold plenty of them.)
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:27 AM
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32. Hi, flowomo.
Haven't we met before? Or am I having deja-vu? (Or both?) :hi:
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:32 AM
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36. hi, yes,, we got into the spat with the guy on another thread
about bookbags and Hillary's political affections in 1968. I don't know why I get drawn into these silly things...
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:37 AM
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39. I know. I was just kidding.
I'd taken a bit of a break from here until yesterday, but got into a discussion about an aspect of health care plans where there were some big, basic misunderstandings. Next thing I know, it's about book bags circa 1968!! :crazy:
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:44 AM
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41. gee, look who popped up in the thread right below us....
I'll tell you, I made up my mind a few weeks ago to vote for Obama in our April 22 primary but I've decided to take a stand against the insane Clinton bashing here (and the name-calling!) wherever and whenever I can. I don't mind a good political debate (and even some heat), but this "Lord of the Flies" stuff is just too much to bear.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:48 AM
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42. Exactly.
Btw, here's a new one: Women didn't carry book bags because it makes one's hips look wide.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5389336#5392828
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:55 AM
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44. LOL -- I write a weekly newspaper column....
and I get ideas for some of them from DU (one of the main reasons I belong to the board) -- sometimes I write about politics, but more often just "slice of life" stuff with a little humor. I am definitely going to file the bookbag-gate postings in the "possible funny column" file.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:32 AM
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48. I used to work at The Coop for 2 years during my late teens
:hi:
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:49 AM
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54. I still have my bent, cracked old Coop card from 1968!
it was the only place to go when you had no cash on you. And you'd often as not get a nice serenade from the violinists and guitarists who set up in the echoey area outside the front door.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:25 AM
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30. Among those of us who were in college in 1968, it's almost universal: no book bags
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 08:25 AM by TexasObserver
As always, there are a few outliars who claim otherwise, but then, they dodged sniper fire on the way to the student union, too.

I checked my Yearbooks from back then, from two major universities, and not a single book bag in any photo among the thousands of photos of student life.

She fabricated the book bag, like she fabricated the story. Who has to READ their memory of when they found out about MLK's death?!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:37 AM
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50. No book bags in the DC area or Southern California -1966-73
From High School through college. None. But we did have the latest
thing in iPods

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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:28 AM
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34. This seems a little silly to me
We call them bookbags now, so isn't it possible that she was using modern terminology, or that she did not remember that it was a satchel and not a bookbag back then? How many of you who went to school at that time remember exactly when you switched from satchels to bookbags? Isn't it possible she might have just gotten a detail wrong, rather than the whole story being wrong? This seems as silly to me as the Clinton folks making a big deal out of Obama being a year off with the Kennedy story.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:42 AM
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40. As someone who has directed actors...
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 08:43 AM by Bonobo
It was all wrong.

You see, she was going for the "I'm remembering back as if it was yesterday" moment.

The proof of that is that she was crying. Remembering and crying, right?

She could literally "see" herself on that day "hurling" that book bag across the room. Perhaps she recalls the thud as it hit the wall, the way the books scattered on the floor. That's the way it is when one's mind takes a "photo". We remember all sorts of vivid details.

This brings me to the main question I have.

WHY WAS SHE LOOKING REPEATEDLY DOWN AT HER NOTES TO 'REMEMBER' SUCH A VIVID EVENT!?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:48 AM
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43. She's not the only one who misremembers 1968.
notice the outliars in these threads who have conflated their memories and swear by them

like a Snickers, these threads have a handful of nuts
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:59 AM
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45. I nominate your post for the sillest post of 2008.
This is so silly, I don't even know where to start.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:34 AM
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49. I used a "World Famous" canvas knapsack from 1966-1970.
I STILL have it.



P.S. This is one of the more ridiculous threads I've yet to come across.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:44 AM
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51. There were book bags at Harvard -- presumably at Wellesley too
When I was at Radcliffe in the 60's, everyone carried their books in heavyweight green drawstring canvas bags -- students and many faculty alike. I haven't been able to find a photo online, but googling on "Harvard book bag" turns up a variety of references. Here are a few:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/09/AR2007030901617.html

I can still remember vividly the day in September 1958 when he charged into a seminar room in Founders Library (he never merely walked into a classroom), dropped his green Harvard book bag on the desk and announced without preliminaries that we would begin our discussion of Homer by considering the quotation by Protagoras that "man is the measure of all things."

http://aesthetics101.blogspot.com/2006/04/what-is-hip-part-5-or-pahk-cah-in.html

A dapper dresser in old fashioned 3 piece suits with an ever present homburg and the classic 1950s green Harvard book bag slung over one shoulder, Baker made almost a matched pair with that other great old professor, William Alfred.

http://www.forewordmagazine.com/articles/shw_article.aspx?articleid=80

With his interest piqued, Balaban returned in 1971 to explore a living oral poetry tradition, travelling the countryside with his Harvard book bag and a Sony tape recorder, asking farmers to sing their poetry to him.

http://cornellcollege.edu/news_center/press_releases/nr2000/debbins2.shtml

Bill Debbins, professor of philosophy at Cornell for 31 years until his retirement in 1994, died Feb. 24, 2001, of pneumonia at age 73. . . . "He looked like an actor wonderfully cast to play a philosophy professor at MGM: Very handsome, with sleepy eyes, wavy hair (first brown, then white), the hint of a smile almost always in evidence," Dean of the College Dennis Moore said a service for Debbins on March 4. "He smoked a pipe, affected tweed sport coats, carried a Harvard book bag over his shoulder, spoke in a gentle, pea-gravelly voice.

http://www.enotes.com/famous-quotes/the-slime-pool-that-the-dog-drowned-in-a-drunk

The slime pool that the dog drowned in . . .
A drunk vomiting up a teaspoon of bile . . .
Washing the polio off the grapes when I was ten . . .
A Harvard book bag in Rome . . .
- Anne Sexton

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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:50 PM
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94. .
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MmeG Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:48 AM
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52. And she 'hurled' it::
that phrase just smacked of 'scripted', don't you think? I also have no memory of carrying books in that era any other way than in the crook of my arm, as you see most of the students in the photos above. Thus, the opportunity for boys to carry your books!

More than anything the incident cited by HRC seemed phony, and written by someone who was not there, who was not even alive at the time of the King assasination. I remember feeling lots of things, but hurling my book bag across the room was not even close to the reaction I had.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:04 AM
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60. "the opportunity for boys to carry your books"
Wellesley is an all-women's college.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:54 AM
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103. A pattern of behavior is the issue
She may or may not have had a book bag but I always thought of her as a truth teller.

I never for one minute believed that she was a FIBBER.
First it was the "I found my voice" - coming from an experienced politician, that surprised me.

Then it was the kissy up to Barack at the end of the debate like she adored him.

Then the drama about Barack and the choirs of angels soon after..

Then it was a complete flip to the " Meet Ne in St. Louis Barack, shaking the paper at the camera and on and on and on."

Pretty soon you get the pattern and it is not pretty.

The 3 AM got me going and the Bosnia topped it.

Now her honesty is in question to many and that is a problem.

We have had 8 years of a dumb big time FIBBER and we want someone to level with us.

Did she have a book bag?

Let's just say she did ~ now what ----- I still don't trust her to tell me anything, much less me the President.

It not so much what she says but how she dismisses her FIBS.

I taught elementary school for many years.

I could tell in a minute if a little one was FIBBING ~ and she is just like one of those children.

Why she does it,I don't know but it is real and I don't like it.
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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:49 AM
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53. Hillary looks like Meg Griffin


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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:51 AM
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55. Ummm...
...hmmm?
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:52 AM
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56. You need a hobby.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:57 AM
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57. Obama supporters are worse than Rush fans
but by all means, please keep it up. Failure to discuss issues and the faux scandal a minute technique are helping Clinton tremendously.

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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:05 PM
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88. Really?
I thought that Hillary supporters who could swallow a lie a minute from their leader were more like Rush fans.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:11 AM
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63. Enough of xyz-gate
People around here rush to append a 'gate' onto virtually every action and statement coming out of a candidate or their campaign. It's beyond ridiculous.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:19 AM
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64. possibly something like this. it doesn't take much imagination or brains actually
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:21 AM
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65. Are you serious?
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:33 AM
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67. I am confused! If all you people did not carry book bags
back east and in other places where it rains and snows a lot, how did you protect your books? You just let them get drenched? I don't get it, but then I'm from California and a different generation than Hillary.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:06 PM
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89. I went to college in Vermont in the '60s
Plenty of ice and snow -- still no book bags. We had ways.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:44 AM
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68. kick
for the comedy.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:47 AM
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69. You should have put that time to use by volunteering
for a candidate. :eyes:

JMHO. YMMV.
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galactical Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:51 AM
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70. Hmmmm....she was kinda hot.
I never noticed it till now.
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:02 AM
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71. I can't get past those awful pants
Yikes.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:09 AM
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72. dumb OP
:dunce:
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 02:45 PM
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75. Verdict? Guilty of Moronism. Sentence? Live in stupidity.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 02:55 PM
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78. This is an ignorant arguement and easily debunked.
The Greek shoulder bag, which has no association with Fraternity/Sorority life, was widely popular among University of Maryland female students during the late 1960's and much of the 1970's. The rectangular shaped shoulder bag came in an assortment of colors, made of loom woven cotton, and fringed bottom corners. It is held by a twisted cord rope strap, so that women could adjust the length by knotting it.



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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 02:55 PM
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79. Look at the guy at the right hand side of this picture. Ooops, I thought it was a bag it wasn't
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 02:57 PM by JVS
I had mistaken the arm of the girl's sweater for a backpack.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 02:58 PM
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80. We had it rough back then with no
bookbags! :P

Trouble with hilary lying so much is now she has to prove her stories 'cause I ain't buyin'.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 03:04 PM
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83. The only scandal here is those pants.
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 03:04 PM by Forkboy
:puke:
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 04:11 PM
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85. Posts #s 8, 29, 51 (my favorite, thanks for the great quotes!) and 58 are plenty to moot my OP
if you replied that you thought I was 100% serious, or unflinching in the position, look back at the opening note. I prefaced everything by saying that I didn't take it any more seriously than demonstrable or verifiable, or not. Replies 8, 29, 51 and 58 offer more than enough substantial evidence that bags were in use back then to say, no problemo, you're right. Though it'd still be interesting to see a picture of a woman (or anyone) carrying a book bag, they've provided plenty of info and sources to prove the original case precarious and therefore inconsequential.

beyond that, to the repliers who took such offense, do you have to take everything so seriously? Besides being explicit that I'd be happy to say whatever I take it back as I am now 'no biggie' with counter-evidence, I ended the thread with a jokey grin for crissakes, and said (and still think) if anything this was fun to do because of the journey through history through pictures, were which both entertaining and educational and which plenty of other repliers here also enjoyed for their kitsch value and historical interest.



As a side note, what I find more interesting is all of the posters taking this -gate so seriously here were completely mum in the equally silly threads last week about Obama's professor title. Difference between me and those who posted the professor-gate threads is in my first reply to everyone, I'm glad to not merely recant, but also acknowledge the reason in counter arguments, recognize the facts in the evidence, and casually admit the facileness of the topic. Whereas not a one of the professor gate conspiracy theorists ever did one of these things, let alone even admit the possibility that there could be other possibilities besides their own.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:04 PM
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90. Dangit she tricked me again!!! THE LIES..THE LIES!!!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:06 PM
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91. It's like referring to a post-it' note before they were invented......
busted!
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:16 PM
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92. Guys this is dumb....



I agree that Hillary's display was contrived and likely written by someone else... as with every bit of human emotion she tries to meter out in a calculated triangulating way.

However, focusing on the book bag is just dumb.

Maybe she had one, maybe she made it up... but not having one doesn't prove the point that she's phony anymore than her having a book bag proves she's genuine.

Hillary tells plenty of BLATANT lies that don't require such nuance and parsing to display them as examples of her lying.

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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:42 PM
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93. I cant believe her!
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 06:50 PM by quantass
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:49 PM
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97. man, she was one weird looking chic back then.
I remember the 60's pretty well, and those pic's of Hillary are just weird. Trying to fit into something she wasn't cut out for.
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Catbird Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:49 PM
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98. Ultimate fate of my ugly pants -- life as a bookbag
My 60's ugliest pants were had all the necessary qualifications -- bold pattern, garish colors, bell bottoms. They eventually wore out. So I cut off the legs and made -- a bookbag! It was a small bookbag and only held one or two, depending on size. But it was a convenient way to carry those one or two. I don't remember ever throwing out the bookbag, so I may still have it around someplace.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:41 AM
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101. The Picture Above: 2nd Row, 1st picture, Girl on left ...
I just had to change the subject. Shes a cute thing. Love that thick semi-fro(?) happening there.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:43 AM
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102. Is this supposed to be satire?
I used to carry a book bag to school. This is just crazy. If I showed this story and pics to people they would probably think you were a bit crazy. :crazy: On another note: Thanks for posting the pics of Senator Clinton and the others. They are really cool to look at. I really love the one of her with the long hair and those striped pants!! Funkadelic baby!!
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