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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:38 AM
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THIS is why Kerry worries some of us:
Senate Votes $170 Billion in Tax Breaks
For Business; Zilch for Jobless Workers

By Harry Kelber

By a vote of 92 to 5, the U.S. Senate passed a bill on May 11 that would give tax breaks and giveaways of $170 billion over 10 years to benefit domestic manufacturers and multinational corporations. A helluva lot of Democratic “friends of labor” voted for this bill at a time when the federal budget is drowning in red ink and federal funding for education and health care is shrinking.

The 900-page bill, a bonanza for corporate lobbyists, offers tax breaks for virtually every business interest, from pharmaceutical companies, energy industries and domestic manufacturers to cruise ship operators, race track owners and archery promoters.

The new tax package would replace a tax break for exporters that the World Trade Organization had found illegal. It would lower the corporate tax rate from its current 35% to 32% for domestic manufacturers. It provides American multinationals with an assortment of provisions to help them compete in the global marketplace. It also contains scores of special-interest items that business lobbyists have been trying to include in the tax law for years.

In their excessively generous gift to business interests at the expense of the nation’s taxpayers, Republican and Democratic senators were of one mind: this being an election year, they expected wealthy corporate donors to return the favor.

In their desire to curry favor with the business community, both Republicans and Democrats overlooked the soaring federal budget deficits and the escalating costs of the war in Iraq, now at $5 billion a month. They also dismissed critics who say that, with profits showing strength and productivity on the rise, there are more important sectors of the economy that need government assistance.

To ensure passage of the tax bill, Senate Republicans had reluctantly agreed to Democratic demands for a vote on an amendment to extend unemployment payments to 1.5 million workers who have exhausted their benefits. That amendment, however, fell one vote short of the 60 needed for passage.

It was disturbing to union members that Senator John Kerry, the AFL CIO’s candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, was the lone senator who failed to vote on the unemployment benefits issue, that might have made a difference in the outcome

Kerry was on the campaign trail when the vote was taken. He said that his vote would not have helped, since some of the Republicans who had voted for the amendment would have changed their minds if they thought the measure would pass. Nevertheless, Kerry’s absence from the voting is regarded as, at the very least, a symbolic blunder.
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http://www.laboreducator.org/sentaxbus.htm

There's no question that Bush MUST be booted out of the White House THIS YEAR, and in such a convincing manner that Jeb wouldn't even dream of running in 2008. But Kerry by himself isn't going to lead this Nation back onto the path. DU (and related agitators) had better NOT shut down after November.

pnorman
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:40 AM
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1. That's my feeling--get Kerry elected, then make sure he listens!!
Too many Dumb-o-crats have lost touch with the people who elect them. They're too busy listening to their handlers and the Washington Post pundits.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 02:43 PM
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19. The repubs are making sure that they win by only Kerry's vote every time.
It's a strategy to make Kerry's vote look more important than it is. A few moderate Repukes vote Dem, they make sure they have enough votes to win by one, and they float stories about how Kerry cost the working world a victory.

Based on some of the responses, looks like it's working.
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:42 AM
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2. The legal incidence of taxation is irrelevant to its economic incidence.
Who actually pays the bills has nothing to do with where the money actually comes from. It depends upon the industry.

If the vote is 92 - 5, I don't see why Kerry should be singled out for not being No. 6.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:48 AM
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7. why Kerry should be singled out
Red that article again; he singled himself out by that non-action.

pnorman
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:43 AM
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3. THIS
is why we've always said that Kerry is the lesser of two evils. It's just sad that this is all we have to choose from (or all the media would let us choose from).
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:08 AM
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14. What?
Kerry too liberal for you? Sorry, we need more liberals.

How did the media choose Kerry? I watched that campaign like a hawk,and if anyone in the media said anything nice about Kerry before Iowa, they said it so quietly I didn't hear it. It was all DeanDeanDean, ClarkClarkClark, and now and then a squeek about Edwards. When Dean came in third in Iowa, he was done. (All that nonsense about the Scream hurting him is pure revisionist BS, he was toast before that.) Even after Kerry won Iowa I saw as much reporting on Edwards as Kerry. I haven't seen a candidate overcome so much negative media coverage to win since Clinton in 92, and even there.

The Democratic voters chose Kerry, in spite of the media.
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Hornito Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:45 AM
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4. Tell me why, even one Democrat should be voting to give
tax breaks and corporate welfare to ANY of the industries listed, all of which are currently enjoying record profits (thanks to previous Bush handouts, and such things as outsourcing, and screwing their workers out of health care)?

This is like last night's report on CBS, that Homeland Security is giving the oil companies (all of whom are enjoying record breaking increases in profits, some up 200%) tens of millions of OUR dollars for their PRIVATE security systems. WTF????? This shit has to stop, and if we can't count on our own party to watch out for the interests of the people, then we damned well better get rid of the bastards in charge, or develop a new party (after November).
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:25 AM
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16. Two Democrats, THREE Republicans voted against the bill
This wasn't about tax breaks or corporate welfare. The above article is crap, probably written by a Repub trying to smear Kerry with his own voters. That's a classic Rove move-- make a candidate's natural supporters turn on him. It's why Rove promoted Nader so heavily in 2000.

Here's a better story on the bill: http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/8634851.htm

Some random quotes:

The measure's entire $170 billion cost is offset with money recouped by repealing the $5 billion export subsidy and by closing tax shelters and loopholes.

The bill carries other items, including a politically charged blockade against new overtime rules aimed at preventing President Bush from stripping the premium pay from workers now eligible for the benefit.

The bill would repeal a $5 billion annual tax break for U.S. exporters that triggered punishing tariffs from Europe. The World Trade Organization had declared the tax break an illegal export subsidy.

In place of the tax break for exporters, lawmakers created a new tax cut for American manufacturers tied to the extent that they make their products in the United States.


end quotes:

There are also incentives for alternate energy production. It's not a great bill, but it isn't some boondoggle to the rich, and it certainly isn't a sellout by Democrats.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 01:39 PM
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17. The article was written by Harry Kelbler.
Here are a few more by him: http://www.laboreducator.org/labtalk.htm
Here's his bio: http://www.laboreducator.org/bio.htm

Every one of his articles, especially the "Labor and the War" ones (http://www.laboreducator.org/notewar.htm) are worth reading. A very large number here on DU, probably a majority, would be in close agreement with him.

There wasn't the least hint of a suggestion in my original posting about, "sitting the election out", voting for Nader", or even "punching a 9/10th CHAD" (to indicate "qualified suppport"). ABB, but THINK about Tomorrow.

pnorman
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:45 AM
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5. What Bull - Sen Bacaus knew 60 votes not there when he pushed for
"compromise"

So a $5 billion dollar problem gets a $170 billion GOP welfare for the rich and corporate solution, and the Dems get a vote where anti-Jobless Workers GOP types had fun voting FOR Jobless Workers so as to get the one vote loss.


But I do agree with you that DU (and related agitators) had better NOT shut down after November - union and progressive needs tend to be forgotten in the money chase for re-election - BUT NOT THIS TIME!

:toast:

:-)
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:45 AM
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6. You answered your own question. Kerry worries me not at all.
Kerry was on the campaign trail when the vote was taken. He said that his vote would not have helped, since some of the Republicans who had voted for the amendment would have changed their minds if they thought the measure would pass.
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The GOP made known that they would arrange for votes intended to put John Kerry on the spot. We do not need to fall for this crap.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:56 AM
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11. Exactly...it was strictly gamesmanship.
Just like bush*'s misleading attack ads which twist the truth into unrecognizable shapes. Anyone who falls for this trick plays right into bush*'s hand.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 02:11 PM
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18. And even if it weren't gamesmenship
the bill has nothing bad for workers. While there is certainly room to criticize this bill, it had nothing bad for workers. It's like complaining about IWR on the basis that it had nothing for workers.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:51 AM
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8. Kerry is the first step
in our movement, not the last. We must recognize that he represents the potential for change, but not significant change in and of himself. Significant change will come when you and I begin at the level of our own homes, then our neighborhoods, our school boards, and then move on up to town and city positions, then to state offices. That is the only way to breathe life back into this nation. So Kerry is at best the first step. Bush, on the other hand, closes the doors to many potential changes -- every single day he is in office. Yes, indeed -- November is a small first step. But remember that small doors often lead to large rooms. Keep positive. We will save America.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:52 AM
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9. This is EXACTLY why I worry about some people on DU
who don't follow politics closely enough to know that this was a set-up.

Kerry is a human being capable of making mistakes, but the Bush administation if filled with people who are truly evil.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:55 AM
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10. Yes, isn't this the same vote that was hashed and rehashed
on several threads, several weeks ago? If so, it was a GOP SET-UP.
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yolatengo Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:57 AM
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12. yeah, big ol' jerkoff anti-labor Kerry...
NOT.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0421103

scores for Senator John Kerry from a good sampling of labor orgs:

On the votes that the United Auto Workers considered to be the most important in
2003, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 102 percent of the time

On the votes that the AFL-CIO considered to be the most important in 2003,
Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time

On the votes that the AFSCME considered to be the most important in 2003,
Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time

On the votes that the United Food Workers considered to be the most important
in 2003, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time

According to the National Journal - Conservative on Economic Policy's calculations,
in 2003, Senator Kerry voted more conservative on economic policy issues than
0 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in
2003, Senator Kerry voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy
issues than 97 percent of the Senators.

If ONLY he'd rushed home to join the other FIVE Senators in getting their ASSES
KICKED by 87 votes... :eyes:

I'm now thinking of sitting out election day because of this one vote. Damn him!
I'm sure Senator Dean or Senator Nader would've rushed right back to DC for this
one, huh?

Bigby
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:59 AM
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13. So he didn't cast a symbolic vote
I've got bigger things to worry about.

Not to mention that the Republicans make these votes look closer than they are so they can either break Kerry's campaigning, or criticize him later for not casting a critical vote. It's all politics, don't fall for it.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:15 AM
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15. No kidding.
How many times do we need to hear this?
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 03:09 PM
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20. Why attach a good amendment to a fatally flawed bill?
Edited on Wed May-26-04 03:31 PM by flaminbats
If the bill could have been improved or made less destructive in some way..voting for the amendment would have made sense. But this bill was nothing but a $170 billion package of corporate handouts paid for at our expense. Even with an extention of unemployment benefits, I could not have supported that bill without the repeal of all Bush's taxcuts.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 03:21 PM
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21. :^(
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 03:39 PM
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22. Kerry is right that the Repubs would have changed their votes
if it came to passing. They more than likely planned it to miss by one vote so it could be balmed on Kerry.
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