Why are Clinton & Obama losing to 100 years in Iraq McCain

[Hawaii Hiker]

Yeah, yeah i know it's very early, but could you imagine if a Democrat left the country in the shape Bush has after 2 terms....The next Democrat would probably lose 40 states.....But I guess there's no accountability w/Republicans; as long as your against abortion, hate gays, & say the Jesus is your savior that's good enough for red state America....

www.electoral-vote.com

This deserves an appearance from orange bang-head man, :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[LakeSamish706]

1. I think one of the reasons is, our candidates have not focused there guns...

on McCain yet. Once we finally get a nominee, then the amo turns on McCain. One other problem will be the MSM... They will probably always be pulling for McCain, for whatever reason.

[Skink]

2. Hillary wants to be Ross Perot.

[Ganja Ninja]

3. They're losing to McSame because they're running ...

against each other rather than running against him.

[stellanoir]

4. the polls are BS

McSame is a totally unappealing candidate

Then there is this the onion masterfully did a while ago.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks?utm_source=embedded_video

Not too far from the truth really.

They're not gonna get away with it this time I swear.

[Kolesar]

5. Cool user / profile name! ...

Hawaii Hiker. I have a notion that if I went to Hawaii, I would visit the lava flows. There is a hike down a canyon to the sea on Kauai that I read about in Outside Magazine a long while ago. I would love to know what other hikes to take. Our vacations usually consist of flying or driving to a national park, camping in a tent, and going for wildlife watching hikes of five to twelve miles length.

[Hawaii Hiker]

14. My favorite hike is

the Kalalau Trail...I've not done it all, only 6 miles in (it's a little over 11 miles one way).
http://www.kalalautrail.com/

Every island has great hiking: Big Island has the volcano park, in addition to Kalalau Trail, Kauai is LOADED with great hikes, many of which are in Waimea Canyon...

Unfortunately, i don't live there, it's only a vacation destination.....

See, if more people would move to Hawaii, then they'd have more electoral votes, & they are a blue state, :woohoo: lol...

[Kolesar]

17. thanks!

I have to attend to something now. :)

[havocmom]

6. When one party has their nominee, they usually get big bumps in polls

It is temporary. BUT, the kitchen sink shit from HRC's campaign HAS to stop. Without a return to a civil campaign, HRC's people does start doing permanent damage to the party.

Have to wonder about a neocon-agenda lovin', union-fightin' adviser like Penn giving Hillary advice, for a steep price. What the hell is wrong with her, paying a man like Penn big bucks (that the campaign doesn't have) for the advice that has been sinking her? Bad judgment in the extreme!

But McCain has no one running against him, pointing out his ties to bush and all his bad judgment, so he will coast in the polls until the Clinton camp gets their shit together and faces the hard truth.

[Double T]

7. The RW complies with their neocon master's orders.

THEY are NOT going to vote for a LW obama or even a centrist Clinton.

[OHdem10]

8. They have not figured out what to use against him. That 100

years in Iraq is so lame. No one really believes McCain wants
to be in Iraq for 100 years. They knew he was, as often people
do, used exaggeration to make a point.

Attacks have to be credible. Peop;e hear 100 years and think--OH
this is politics.

If an average person can dismiss a comment as politics, it will
not have that much effect. Our side needs to have strong points
as to why leaving Iraq is a good thing . Be strong and willing to
stand by the points.

The way to really be effective is to challenge economic conservatism.
If we are not willing to do this, we may lose.

[Hawaii Hiker]

11. This is politics, & when you make a comment like McCain did (the 100 years)

that comment will be used against him in a GE - it has to...I mean, Rethugs are making a big deal of Obama's MIDDLE name...

In a general election, EVERYTHING & ANYTHING a candiate has EVER said will come out....

[GoldieAZ49]

16. not when it is put in context

How long have we been in Germany, Japan and South Korea?

Do you really think America will ever be "out of" the middle east? I don't.

[SoCalDem]

15. Running against McCain

He's the past.. Obama's the future

He's a hypocrite about:

lobbyists & campaign reform
cozying up to Bush after SC '00
cozying up to Hagee & Bob Jones after '00
pretending to know foreign policy..when it's foreign WAR he's interested in

Also HIS war was FORTY YEARS ago..and since we did not learn anything from it, I don't trust him to run foreign policy

..........

[crankychatter]

9. this is the answer

Obama beat McCain in all national poll projections until Clinton went berserker.

This increased McCain's numbers and drove Clinton's negatives up.

Latest poll gives Obama slight edge but within margin of error, so it's a tie.

Clinton still loses.

I could scare up some graphs for you but they're all archived at usaelectionpolls website... you can look for yourself.

it's as simple as that.

NOW... the problem is this

Obama has an amazing ability to turn polls around, especially in a state by state contest like this.
BUT in the General Election, that talent will be put more to the test

Every day this drags out, bodes well for John McCain. Almost ALL analysts agree and the statistics don't lie.

[frogcycle]

10. because we eliminated the better candidates n/t

[SoCalDem]

12. Not losing.. McCain's the only one "running" so far

He's running against himself, and not even getting 50%.. That's not a bad thing for us :)

[GoldieAZ49]

13. Experience will be a GE issue

Why we threw it out of our primary during a war, weak economy and healthcare concerns shows we don't know how to win a GE.

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. We threw experience out because, truth be told,

neither of our candidates can match McCain on experience.

What we have to show is that WASHINGTON experience is the wrong kind of experience - it is 'same old, same old' and exactly what got us into the situations we now face.

Obama is a blank slate for military experience, and Hillary has in her 'experience' some of the most ghastly poor statements about our military I've ever heard (remember some of the things she said in the early 90s?). McCain is a war hero.

Obama and Hillary are both junior senators with less than two terms in Washington - she has more time in Washington, but he has considerably more time legislative experience if you include his years in Illinois. McCain has as much time in legislature as the two of them combined.

If we were to campaign on 'experience' we'd be handing it to McCain. Let's talk issues, instead.

[Vinca]

19. In any case, McCain needs Leiberbush standing behind him

to remind him what his experience was.

[GoldieAZ49]

22. In the beginning of the primary we had experience

and choose 'Historical candidates' instead

you are right about the current situation.

[rockymountaindem]

24. Dodd, Biden and Richardson could have matched McCain on experience

We all saw how far they got.

[quantass]

20. But this is all EXPECTED ... The #s are meaningless because of this ongoing situation...all expected

When Obama is crowned the offical nominee then the REAL polls will be seen.

And lets not forget that the GE is what like 7-8 months away....they are completely useless at this point.

[niceypoo]

21. Those polls are irrelevent right now...

The general election has not started yet.

[stillcool]

23. In some polls they aren't...