Clinton widens leads over Obama in PA. 53-41

[Tellurian]

Sen. Hillary Clinton has widened her lead over Sen. Barack Obama in the Pennsylvania Democratic presidential primary battle, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

Sen. Clinton now leads Sen. Obama, 53 to 41 percent among likely primary voters, the poll said. This compares to a 49 to 43 percent Sen. Clinton lead in a Feb. 27 poll. In that survey, the momentum was with Sen. Obama, who had narrowed a 52 to 36 percent gap from a Feb. 14 poll.

In the latest survey, the split between black and white voters has grown. Sen. Clinton has widened her lead among women likely Democratic primary voters and narrowed Sen. Obama's lead among men.

• White voters go with Sen. Clinton 61 to 33 percent, compared to 56 to 37 percent Feb. 27.

• Black voters back Sen. Obama 76 - 18 percent, compared to 69 - 23 percent Feb. 27.

www.post-gazette.com/pg/08078/866068-100.stm

[adoraz]

1. yeah she will obviously win PA

I am just wondering by how much.

[Exilednight]

32. Since we know she is going to win, it no longer counts.

[adoraz]

40. No I never said that

don't make me look like a Hillary supporter. I am simply saying that she will win, but its a matter of how much she wins by.

[Kittycat]

2. Already outdated

[Texas Hill Country]

44. i am interested to see what kind of bump Obama gets from this speech.

[TAWS]

3. A 12 point win would only net her 18 delegates

[Tellurian]

9. Hillary will win by 20+

Here is an observation made in the article:

"The momentum is clearly Sen. Clinton's as she firms up her traditional coalition of women, white males, non-college, rural and older voters in Pennsylvania," said Clay F. Richards, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. "Her endorsement by Philadelphia's black Mayor, Michael Nutter, is cutting slightly into Obama's overwhelming edge among black voters, but clearly the split among black and white voters is growing."

Obama's attempted Racial Divide is hopefully being tempered by cooler heads prevailing.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. Too bad she'll need to win by >102%

Assuming even split in other states.

[LSparkle]

19. OBAMA's "attempted racial divide"????

Hillaryland is truly in Alice In Wonderland territory ...

I'm looking forward to a poll taken AFTER today's speech.

[Tellurian]

35. Obama's been playing the Race Card since SC..

where have you been. It's a historical fact!

[LSparkle]

37. Just because BILL's comments drove more black voters to him after SC

doesn't mean it was Obama playing the race card. Had BILL not opened his
big mouth with the Jesse Jackson comparison, that switch might not have
occurred. NOT historical fact, just PROJECTION ...

[Tellurian]

46. Clinton has been involved in politics for Eons..

He is always very careful with his words...NO! IT WAS THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN that chose to twist CLinton's words into something far away from their intent. Clinton quoted the statistical facts from the Jackson campaign and the Obama campaign turned into a racial attack on Obama.

[JoFerret]

45. This is so very true

but seems so hard to see.

[meow mix]

4. thats widening?

give it a few weeks... we'll see

i thought she was ahead by more than that already

[Tellurian]

12. If Obama was leading you'd be shouting from the rooftops..

why the double standard?

[sellitman]

5. After todays speech....

those numbers won't hold up for long.

[Tellurian]

47. Hillary's numbers will grow from here on in..

and expect delagates and SDs starting to defect to Clinton.

[Noirceuil]

6. Great News!

The good people of Pennsylvania will not be fooled by empty rhetoric.

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[LSK]

7. 53-41 would doom her campaign even further

Shes over 100 delegates down with not much left.

[bigdarryl]

8. Bullshit polls like this means nothing when you have until April 22 until the voting starts

thats a full month which is a life time in politics.Now I'm not saying she will not win PA which looks likely but it will be closer than what these stupid polls are saying.

[Teaser]

10. I am a ticking SEX BOMB!`

That's right ladeez, (and gents if you're so inclined, times being what they are), I am a sex bomb.

Who's gonna light my fuse?

[JVS]

18. Sex Bomb, Sex Bomb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KUJE2xs-RE

[Teaser]

22. Let's SEX BOMB IRAN!

We will defeat them by making them horny.

[book_worm]

11. Who cares? she's not going to be nominated and is just prolonging the inevitable

I'm not worried she may win PA but he'll do better than that. At least it's better than the Survey USA poll of a 20 pt C lead.

[metsqueenz]

13. When was the poll conducted?

It's important to know the range of days, in order to have a better idea.

[K Gardner]

14. Hillaryis44.org is at DEFCON 1 !! INCOMING !

[meow mix]

20. lol true, who knows what kind of nukes are fueling up on the tarmac

too bad they dont have a decent target to hammer on now..

[Hawkeye-X]

26. Defcon 1? More like Defcon "I'm FUCKING INFECTED WITH MALWARE AND NOONE CARES!"!!1111onelevety

[Forkboy]

31. The people who go there are infected as well, online or off.

:)

[Tellurian]

48. His44 has been cleared of any nasiness as of last night!

Try to keep up! :hi:

[JVS]

15. All these polls will mean nothing after that racewar you've predicted.

[geek tragedy]

17. I'll take a 12-point 'win' for Clinton gladly there.

If she can only win by that much there, the race is over.

[uponit7771]

21. Only a 12 point lead?!?! ...don't know if I'd hoot and holler about this number

[the other one]

24. And that should clinch the nomination

And no that doesn't make me happy. I am not judging the candidates (frankly I dislike them both). I am judging the "Party" and especially the "leadership" of the party.

I think a lot of people will be very disappointed to learn how republican the Democratic Party can be. The party name is just a brand anymore, not a reflection of philosophy.

The "superdelegates" are waiting for justification for backing Clinton; a big win in a big state closed primary is all they need. If you think they really care about the popular vote, you are about to take a bath in cold water. They will credit momentum, maybe even call it a surge. That would be appropriate.

So then the ticket will end up being Clinton / Obama.

They never should have forced Edwards out of the race.

I do hold out some hope for a dead-locked convention and a Gore draft, but that is looking more and more like a wish.

The sad part is that McCain will easily beat either Clinton or Obama. It doesn't matter. Why? Because there is
NO MARGIN TOO LARGE TOO STEAL ANYWAY!
A lie is a lie, and the bigger the lie, the more likely the public will buy.

Rant Over. Copyright 2008

[Drunken Irishman]

25. If Obama is only down 12 after all the shit thrown at him the past week, he's in good position.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

27. agreed

[RiverStone]

28. He's already in a great position - it's called a lock on the pledged delegates! ...n/t

[uponit7771]

38. Touche`!!!!

[Tellurian]

51. That poll isn't a current reflection of Obama's scandalous preacher..

Wright just sunk Obama's campaign. Obama's operatives must be on tranquilizers tonight, as well as Kerry and Kennedy off on a full on bender through the weekend.

[cboy4]

29. Every time I look up, she's winning another big state...like

did in Texas.

[RBInMaine]

30. BS ! Same as in the last few weeks, and no change since the Wright flap.

[BlooInBloo]

33. This is the baseline to see whether or not it's possible for a black politician to talk about race..

... to a white audience - whether or not those numbers go up or down as a result of today's speech (as sugarcoated as it was so that white folks' tender sensibilities wouldn't be upset).

My bet is that his numbers will go down more. Would love to be wrong tho.

[Johnny__Motown]

34. when she gets to 70% let me know.. she needs to win huge to make a dent in his lead

[Alexander]

36. Widens? Obama was in the 30s very recently. Nice try though.

You don't read your own posts, do you?

:rofl:

"Sen. Clinton now leads Sen. Obama, 53 to 41 percent among likely primary voters, the poll said. This compares to a 49 to 43 percent Sen. Clinton lead in a Feb. 27 poll. In that survey, the momentum was with Sen. Obama, who had narrowed a 52 to 36 percent gap from a Feb. 14 poll."

[meow mix]

41. i know, so funny

:rofl:

[Jersey Devil]

39. OK, let's assume she wins PA even with 60% - show me the math

How does she go to the convention with more pledged delegates than Obama?

Here's a calculator in case you need it: http://www.slate.com/id/2185278/

[SoonerPride]

42. If Hillary doesn't win 70/30 it's a terrible defeat for her

This is her Alamo.

If she can't win with 70% then se should quit trying.

[rodeodance]

43. REC

[grantcart]

49. no no I saw another thread where she had 25 point lead it is going to be a landslide

[TheDonkey]

50. I thought I saw a poll saying he only got 20% of the vote

It is early. Obama's not throwing in the towel because of a poll 6 weeks out.

[4_Legs_Good]

52. I only trust SUSA polls for actual numbers and they have her up 19 points

So that is what I expect she has.

Trends, though from other poling places can be interesting, but I'm really done believing numbers from anyone else.

Particularly that shit Zogby!

David

[Upton]

53. deleted

[SoCalDem]

54. she's up 5 from last Nov.. he's up 26

:rofl:

and even back then when she was the presumed easy winner, only 36% of Pennsylvanians said they would vote for her..and 40% said no way.. never would they vote for her..

:shrug:

and this magnificent 5 point bump only took 6 months :)