This man is golden... If this country rejects the opportunity for his leadership

[ourbluenation]

we get what we deserve. Do I think he's perfect? Of course not. Do I think he's the perfect candidate at this point in time? You bet.

Now Is The Time.

[caledesi]

1. I agree! NT

[ginnyinWI]

2. His vision is exactly what this wounded nation needs. n/t

[NanceGreggs]

3. Agreed ...

... and BTW, that's a beautiful photo!

[napoleon_in_rags]

4. It would be so good for the country.

If nothing else, he makes a good symbol to inspire us as to what we can achieve.

[Patsy Stone]

5. K&R

:toast:

[LaurenG]

6. I was going to post that myself

but thought better as I don't have time to argue about it, but yes. This is our test, the beginning of a whole new paradigm. I hope as a whole we are ready.

[ourbluenation]

13. I personally have thought the thoughts that he so eloquently stated today, for a long time.

I hope and pray that the electorate sees this as the opportunity it is...a new paradigm is right.

[democrattotheend]

7. I'm with you

I've been an Obama supporter for a while, but right now I am feeling like we'd be absolutely crazy not to make him our nominee and our president.

[K Gardner]

8. Yes. He is the one to lead us out of this morass.

[C_U_L8R]

9. no he's not perfect... he's human

and honest and good and intelligent.
Qualities that have not graced the White House in too long.
I am so happy that we have brave people like Obama
who are willing to step up and truly lead (which is very
different than asking to be appointed leader)

[Tarheel_Dem]

10. Ditto That!

:thumbsup:

[BlackVelvet04]

11. HA HA HA HA HA.....

a golden panderer maybe.

[Umbram]

15. Don't let your support for Clinton make you an angry person :( (nt)

[skooooo]

20. did ignored say something again??

[IndyOp]

72. Was it Ignored 1? Ignored 2? Ignored 3? Ignored 4?....

Ignored 67?
Ignored 68?

So many people on ignore...

:shrug:

:eyes:

[bagimin]

76. Are there that many left?

[BlackVelvet04]

34. I'm not angry...

actually I'm very mellow today....I got 9 hours sleep last night. I just call them like I see them.

[uponit7771]

37. You sound bitter then

[BlackVelvet04]

41. Nope, not bitter either....

you keep wanting to make this about me. I could say you sound delusional and brainwashed but I didn't. As I said, I call them like I see them. I know pandering when I hear pandering. It started with his health care plan when he made health care mandatory ONLY for parents. He was pandering to the young who would rather take their chances and do without insurance....of course the rest of us end up paying for them.

He has pandering down to an art form...I will give him credit for that.

[mhoran]

74. Seems to me...

...that our responses say a lot more about us than about Barack. What shall it be? Shall we take a chance on hope, or stick to the same old cynicism?

[blondie58]

86. so true, mhornan and a big welcome to DU!

now I myself, am an optimist, so I would take a chance on hope. H

An optimist is the human personification of spring.

- Susan J. Bissonette

[D23MIURG23]

95. "He has pandering down to an art form"

As opposed to Hillary who does it transparently with wrongheaded war votes and hillarious flag burning amendments...


:rofl:

[mwb970]

115. Obama "pandering"?

Now I've heard everything! I can't imagine how you can hear pandering in Obama's speeches, unless you really, really want to hear it. You've convinced yourself of something most of us know to be false. Now you've got your story and you're sticking to it no matter what. How bushesque.

Come back to The Light! Please.

[Pawel K]

130. Wait, woah, hold on a sec. Did you just call someone brainwashed?

while your signature implies that women should vote for women simply because they are woman? Lol, that was a good one.

[dchill]

107. "I just call them like I see them."

Right - but nobody asked you.

[cameozalaznick]

123. But I suppose Hillary never, ever, ever, ever panders

to anyone. Right?

[Pawel K]

131. You don't get it? They do these things and then say the other side does it

its really amazing how they actually believe they are pulling this off.

[ourbluenation]

21. A panderer? That's what you come away with from that speech? ...

When you agree with Sean Hannity it may be time for some self reflection.

[Umbram]

25. Methinks you are asking too much. (nt)

[ourbluenation]

47. I hope not. People can change their minds. n/t

:hi:

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

45. You're so entertaining I'm only putting you on psuedo-ignore. Did you say something?

[SammyWinstonJack]

46. Exactly right! He is in this for himself and no one else. Too bad so many can not see that.

:banghead:

[jgraz]

54. Not one fucking word worth reading since you've been here. Not. One.

Say hello to my little friend.

[Sander]

82. If Obama were to walk on water --

It sounds like you would say, "Look! It proves he can't swim."

[mattclearing]

111. A Clintonite calling someone a panderer???? We're all laughing harder than you are. n/t

[Megahurtz]

12. We need Change NOW!

[Umbram]

49. True, quite true. (nt)

[grantcart]

14. Americans may be crazy but they are not stupid - lol 1/20/2009

[pointsoflight]

16. Whether Barack is the one to do it or not, I hope his message endures.

Hope, unity, and the American dream over cynicism.

[NOLALady]

17. If this country rejects him,

we all lose.

[OhioBlue]

18. yes we can!

[Sweet Pea]

19. Didn't Do Anything for Me

More excuse-matrix rehetorical spin. There is no excuse for what his reverened said. None. I don't care how eloquent it is spun in flowery oratory and glowing image-based phrases.

[skooooo]

22. Didn't do anything for you??

Kind of how it affected Pat Buchanen, then?

[northzax]

28. it was a powerful speech

and if we were electing a speechmaker, he'd definately be number one on everyone's list.

[skooooo]

44. Right...let's get another illiterate like Bush instead.

That's the ticket.

[northzax]

52. you're calling Hillary Clinton illiterate now?

since she's the option? giving, heck even writing, a good speech doesn't have much to do with running a nation.

[skooooo]

56. I think you're wrong about that.

The most important thing a President can do is pursuade people. Speech making is VERY important. Hillary has skills, of course. If you think she's better than Obama, that's your choice. But don't underestimate how important speech giving is. Every one of our most celebrated Presidents practically are known for at least one important speech or declaration.

[awoke_in_2003]

97. "The most important thing a President can do is pursuade people"

You hit the nail on the head. The presidents job is enforcement of law. He can not create law, or interpret it. However, if he can pursuade the populace that something is important and needs to be done, the people will put the pressure on the lawmakers. He (at least so far) is the most visible person in our government, the one all people can identify. And, as you say, that is where the presidents real power lays.

[northzax]

133. i don't know

George Bush and Ronald Reagan were pretty good at pursuading people of things. meanwhile, the government collapsed on their watch because they had no interest or desire to run a 3 trillion dollar organization with any competance. how's that working out for you?

[mahina]

90. Ideas, words, thoughts, are the first step to action

that will heal. They should inform our actions, and help us chart our course.

If you live in a place where ideas don't matter, I hope I never go there.

[northzax]

134. i live in a place where actions matter

it's called the capitol of the country. I am tired of inspirational leaders, I want a competant leader for once.

[biglefthander]

103. so let's elect the wonk instead?

Since that has gotten the party so far...Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore...now Hillary?

[LSK]

23. try reading a history book

Ever hear of Hiroshima? Nagasaki? CIA coups left and right? Iran contra? Invasion of Iraq? Civil rights era? Slavery?

Please step out of your glass house and open your eyes.

[Sweet Pea]

30. So....

you agree with the view of history that the Rev Wright espouses?

[LSK]

33. Yes

American Indians

Rounding up of Japanese in WW2

Iranian coup of 1953

Chilean coup of 1973

Slience on treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza

The list goes on and on...

Please get an education

[Sweet Pea]

40. So...

You also believe the government invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color.

You also believe that "we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye", whetever that is supposed to mean.

You also believe that "Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.”
(well, the fact that you espouse racism by supporting these comments shows you *do* believe it)

You also believe that "...because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”, meaning that the US is responsible for 9/11.

I do have an education, thankyouverymuch, obviously one more balanced and broad-based and farther-reaching than your support of the hatred and racism spewed by Rev Wright.

Knock yourself out. I thought more progressives would be enlightened in the early years of the 21st century, but apparently, by evidence of you, I was mistaken.

[kwassa]

55. As a matter of fact ...

"You also believe the government invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color."

No, but I understand the historical reasons for this belief, the oppression of African_Americans by many official government institutions, and mistreatment medically.

"You also believe that "we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye", whetever that is supposed to mean."

We killed about 130,000 in Hiroshima from the atom bomb. World Trade Center death toll was about 3,000, so Wright is right on that.

"You also believe that "Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.”
(well, the fact that you espouse racism by supporting these comments shows you *do* believe it)"

What would you call slavery? Jim Crow? Segregation? Do you think there are no important effects of racism today? Slavery was throughout the American colonies at the time of our founding. Blacks became 3/5 of a person in our constitution, but got no vote whatsoever, of course.

"You also believe that "...because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”, meaning that the US is responsible for 9/11."

That's a stretch. Our foreign policy has created hatred for us overseas, though, and 9/11 was a form of retaliation for that, like it or not. Were innocent people killed? Absolutely. Are innocents killed abroad? Absolutely.

[FatDave]

59. Didn't you get the memo?

It's now treasonous to imply that the American government and/or military has ever done anything that may have been horrendous. It's also treason to imply that such actions (which never happened anyway) may have had later repercussions.

No, we're America. We're perfect. We didn't nuke innocents. We never overthrew any democracies. We don't torture. We're the greatest fucking country in the world! We're right, everybody else is wrong! If America does it, it must be OK!

[dansolo]

66. The US was responsible for 9/11, at least partly

Do you even know the history of all the events that led to 9/11, or do you just buy into the "They hate us for our freedoms" crap?

The origins of 9/11 go back decades, from our funding the mujahadeen in Afghanistan as a proxy war against the Soviets in the 80's, to the First Gulf War (which we instigated, by the way) where the establishment of a military base in Saudi Arabia was viewed as an insult by many Muslims, including Osama bin Laden. And what about our support of the oppressive Saudi Royal family? They act as our "allies", but meanwhile they are funneling huge amounts of money to anti-American religious groups which are used to distract the Saudi citizens by directing their anger towards the West.

I'm not taking away any responsibility from the planners and executors of the 9/11 attacks, but the US does deserve some of the blame.

[Sweet Pea]

81. Holy Toledo!

Reading the replies to this post is like reading idiotic scribblings written by a bunch of mental ward residents.

Seriously....the progressive movement in this country is in serious trouble if these morons take over.

[Ken Burch]

106. You can't be progressive and repeat the "we're the greatest country in the world" bullshit

You can't be progressive and forget history and pretend that injustice has never happened.

Which is what you are obviously asking us all to do.

You sound like the sort that would have said, in 1963, "well I just don't understand what those Negroes are so angry about".

Healing the country involves admitting that is HAS wounds. You can't say "I love America" and then do anything progessive or positive.

Waving the flag and smiling means surrendering.

[Name removed]

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[awoke_in_2003]

99. "meaning that the US is responsible for 9/11"

Well, when the terrorists sought a target, did they target New Zealand? They attacked us, why? Unquestioning support for Isreal(the original terrorist state), no matter what it does? The way me march around the world and suck up countries resources for pennies on the dollar? Our actions of the last 50 years are what lead the 9/11. We are the big bully, and as with all bully scenarios, one day someone gets the stomach to say "enough is enough"

[pokercat999]

113. Actually much of what Conman Wright (I call all "reverends"

Conman)espouses is based in some fact. He though, takes a few facts and goes way over the top. Would it surprise me to someday find out that HIV was designed in a lab at Fort Detrick, MD? A biological weapon that got out of the lab before fully developed and before the vaccine could be made? Not really. Do I think it was designed to attack the black or gay population of the US, no that would shock me. We've already dis-empowered them so what would be the point?

Conman Wright and his antics should be viewed in the light of other more famous Conmen like Falwell, Roberts and the rest. They are all cut from the same cloth and a thinking person would ignore them, the majority of Americans do just that.

It would be interesting to find out when Conman Wright took up his antics as seen in recent videos. What made him act in such a manner? Did he by chance observe the white version of this performed by Conman Falwell and just do a black version?

[mahina]

91. Did you even hear or read this speech?

I don't think so. You could not say what you are saying if you had.

[keith the dem]

117. I understand what he is saying

Though I think he somewhat exaggerates for effect....

the point of Reverend Wright is that although he is critical of our country,and maybe a little off the wall at times, he has had a very successful 30 year record of community programs that try to right some of those wrongs. He served our country in the military. To me this is the true meaning of patriotism, serving your country and your community, and striving to make it better. What does he get for all these years of service? personal assassination by the media, which you take as fact.

What have you done for your country? Typing cynical uneducated remarks on the web helps nothing.

[ourbluenation]

24. keep it up...and you will get the candidate you deserve. n/t

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[TheDoorbellRang]

63. So much anger

sad

[sunnystarr]

64. Are you a Democrat??? (nt)

[awoke_in_2003]

96. "There is no excuse for what his reverened said"

What did he say that was so wrong? That our lousy foreign policies are what got us attacked? Sounds pretty good. The only thing I have a problem with is bringing god into it (being an atheist, and all). But if there was some supreme being, that could somehow magically hand out blessings willy-nilly, do you think we would be deserving of them? I think we would be more deserving of "his" damnation.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

101. He didn't excuse those comments, he condemned them, (again).

He also said that that man is family to him and he is not going to throw him out like so much trash because of them. He wouldn't stop loving his white grandma for her comments. I didn't stop loving my Omp-pa-pa because he made comments about Mexicans.

Which of your family and friends would you throw under the bus?

[mwb970]

116. "Excuse-matrix rhetorical spin"?

What in hell is that? Do you talk this way all the time?

[BenDavid]

26. Is he saying that he was too stupid to realize that Wright was

mouthing off anti-American statements? I don't subscribe to that theory, but some folks will point out that his mea culpa on the Pastor seems contrived. So, is he still going to attend this church that peddles this rhetoric?


If Obama believed any of what he is saying then why did he ever allow the racial divisiness his campaign launched against Hillary and Bill Clinton? Why didn't he fire Jesse Jackson Jr when he used the racial card against Hillary.

The fact is that Obama can give a good speach. But that is all he has done. He doesn't live up to his words. They are empty bullshit.

[jgraz]

57. No, but I think you're saying you're too stupid to know a good thing when it bites you in the ass

Check back when you've implemented every command in the Torah (remember to bring your stones and your slave girls). Then you can start judging other people for the church they go to.

[Bonobo]

67. Thanks for the opportunity to kill 2 birds with one stone!

A kick and a big

[mahina]

92. Did you read it?

Maybe you'd like to watch it. Or read Tikkun's transcript.

Mouthing off? If you ask what he said, maybe you'd like to find out for yourself. http://youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU

[cooolandrew]

EXATLY. He knows what needs to be said to calm teh waters globally.

[cooolandrew]

EXATLY. He knows what needs to be said to calm teh waters globally.

[cooolandrew]

31. EXATLY. He knows what needs to be said to calm teh waters globally.

[cooolandrew]

32. EXATLY. He knows what needs to be said to calm teh waters globally.

[11 Bravo]

58. Dude, we got it the first time. (And spellcheck is your friend.)

[Bonobo]

35. K/R

[SunsetDreams]

36. I agree K&R

[PerfectSage]

38. He's definitely the best candidate.

GObama!
Go Dean's 50 State Strategy!
Go Grassroots!

[nsd]

39. K & R

[Texas Hill Country]

42. LOL, nice JFK picture....

just commenting on the intentional attempt to draw the parallell.

I am not commenting on your post.

[ourbluenation]

50. There was absolutly no intentional attempt to draw a parallel. n/t

[Texas Hill Country]

120. my ass. its not a big deal, but it is obvious. just struck me as funny

[ourbluenation]

122. get the fuck over yourself. when I say it wasn't intentional, it wasn't. I can see the similarity

now that you mentioned it but not until you mentioned it.

[Whisp]

43. I agree - he is a good and beautiful man

and we should all be proud and happy he is willing to work for us.

[goclark]

61. Love the content of his character

[ourbluenation]

62. and thats what I judge him on, not the color of his skin.

I have a dream, too.

[goclark]

65. MLK would be proud of that young man today! nt

[liberaldem4ever]

48. I agree too

That's a beautiful picture of him.

[depakid]

51. Wow. And some supporters wonder

why other people in the states and abroad consider them to be cult-like.

[HarveyBrooks]

114. Creepy, isnt it?

I can barely stomach coming to DU these days.

NObama

[EnviroBat]

119. Then, by all means, don't come to DU.

troll

[HarveyBrooks]

124. Thank you

Yet another example of obama supporters bringing us all together!
Some of you remind me of bush lovers - my way or the highway! Right?

[EnviroBat]

129. Typical low-poster, can sure dish it out, but resorts to

"Bush-lovers" when someone here calls their bullshit. Nice try hack. What happened, get the boot from Free Republic?

[HarveyBrooks]

135. Huh?

Where did I dish it out? And where was I called out on my "bullshit?"

[EnviroBat]

137. Hey, welcome to ignore troll!

[HarveyBrooks]

139. You make me proud to be a Democrat!

[Scurrilous]

53. K & R

:thumbsup:

[IsItJustMe]

60. K&R

[BringBigDogBack]

68. Well said.

[Politicub]

69. I felt the arc of our history give a little after hearing the speech

and hopefully angling now towards a better place. Obama stirred something in me. He spoke much truth -- no one can doubt he would have the wisdom to be our president. A quality that is in short supply in the GWB Whitehouse.

This may go down as one of his finest moments.

[Oslo]

87. May there be many more fine moments to come. nt

[BlueJac]

70. Right on the money!!

[Sonnenschein]

71. Hillary needs to start attend church to win. Obama was smart to take a page

from Bush's playbook to appeal to the fundies.

[Lena inRI]

73. He's my idea of PRESIDENTIAL. . .

. . .AND HE ALREADY "IS" WHAT WE SHOULD "BE" !

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[TankLV]

75. I reject him RESOUNDINGLY - still waiting for him to apologize for McGlurkin, BTW...

NO.

SALE.

and I don't need no fucking lectures, either...

[Raine]

77. Agreed nt

[K-Check]

78. Of so-called "pandering" and "spin"

In response to the accusations here that the Obama speech was merely "pandering" and "spin," a few historic examples of same:

"Yesterday, December seventh, a date which will live in infamy" - FDR spinning a massive security breach (sneak attack on Pearl Harbor), the deaths of 2,000 Americans, and pandering to Congress to declare war.

"Four score and seven years ago <...> this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
-- Lincoln spinning the deaths of 40,000 Americans and a tragic ongoing war, and pandering to the half of the nation that had seceded.

"I have a dream." MLK spinning the miserable state of race relations in the 1960's, and pandering to bigots.



I guess, in a way, it is all just pandering and spin. And I'm not saying Obama is in the category of these fine orators (yet). But it is mighty peculiar how the great "panderers" and "spinners" of our history have also been among our greatest leaders.

The fact is, impressive oratory is often (though not always) indicative of a great mind at work, articulating complex ideas with a steady passion, intensity, and conciseness that compels open-minded people to think, and closed-minded people to listen.

My fear for this country and our future is that we're so caught up in the gamesmanship of politics and the complexities of race relations that many won't be able to recognize that.

[ourbluenation]

79. Nicely said...and welcome to DU

:hi:

[K-Check]

80. Thanks - I've been visiting this site for years, but just started posting recently...

...because I'm a masochist and I just wasn't getting flamed enough in my everyday life.

[Oslo]

85. I hope that he reached the humanity in many people...

Especially undecideds. The winger nuckleheads out there will remain hopeless.

[Mme. Defarge]

83. This time ... n/t

[OwnedByFerrets]

84. I will completely give up if

they push him aside. It honestly wont take much.

[greyghost]

89. Not this time. Time for the Clintons to close their tent.

[pauldg0]

93. He is not....

golden any more!!

I've come to the conclusion our party is a fractured mess....gzzz!!!

[Not Sure]

94. I was very impressed with his speech today

He talked about things I have seen for years and seemed to understand so many different points of view as if he has held them himself. He used language that exposed the rawness of those opinions and spoke with the salve to heal those wounds. As someone who had finally grown weary of trying to change people's minds and finally arrived at the point where I'm just waiting for the unflinching racists of the greatest generation to die off, it was far, far more than I expected to hear and feel in a speech.

Finally, I think I am beginning to believe in this message of change. It's not about policies and laws; it's a way of thinking, an awakening. I truly hope some minds were changed today. Not about any presidential candidates necessarily, but about who we are and how we relate to each other. If we are to remain a nation of people who mindlessly resent one another, who allow entertainment and so-called news media to pit us against each other (instead of us united against those who would exploit us), does it really matter who the president is?

[VotesForWomen]

98. no he isn't. put the kool-aide down. nt

[List left]

100. He presents an amazing oportunity for our country

and Of course he is not perfect.

[McCamy Taylor]

102. Obama's words and Axelrod's actions do not match.

The comments Axelrod made about Hillary being a you know what who resorts to dirty tricks seemed designed to make sure that no Democratic unity would result from his speech.

Almost as if Axelrod said "Go out and talk like you want unity, but I will stoke the fires, All this baiting is great for you

It looks phony to me.

And DU is not unified at all.

[JI7]

104. where did you get that pic from ?

if it's your own, can i take it for my own use ?

[ourbluenation]

121. googled his name and clicked images and it was a couple of pages in. n/t

[DrFunkenstein]

105. This Was Almost Exactly My Dinner Conversation With My Wife

He's not some all-perfect messiah figure, but he is an amazing person and an unbelievable gift to the Democratic Party and progressivism generally.

[FrenchieCat]

108. Thoughtful man......

Awesome speech!

[DUlover2909]

109. So what's he gonna do about all these gays in the military?

And what about flag burning? And what about armageddon? We need a president that addresses the pressing issues of our time! My pastor said gay weddings is gonna ruin our schools! Think of the children! Al Snore and his tree lovin hippee weirdos are gonna make my boy gay! How would you like it if every time you opened your mouth to complain some libral queer came over and put his private parts in your mouth? I say America should stand up for it's true purpose which is to make sure my TV works when that whole digital thing happens. HD this and that nonsense. Why should redblooded patriots have to sneak into motels just to watch Judge Judy just because most of the people I know are not home? And don't start with your "whatevers" and "go away idiots" and your "freeper shut ups" craps. Bush is so a great American even though all his staff from 2000 is all gone and you should be happy his supreme court is gonna make it so we all get to carry concealed bazookas and flame throwers. Who ever thought America would come to this? Stemcell zombies and corpses being wed to turnips! My God people, wake up!

[judasdisney]

110. A Once-In-A-Lifetime Chance

Do not let this chance slip away. We need President Barack.

[mhatrw]

112. Whatever.

The Rev was right. The cock is crowing.

[beezlebum]

118. i've been reluctant.

i was angry, deeply saddened when kucinich was ignored, and then dropped out. and if it tells you anything about me, edwards was too conservative for me. i was almost reluctant to support him as well. but i did...

and then when edwards was forced out as well, i said i wasn't gonna vote. i said all we had left were two corporate candidates, and a vote for either of them was a vote for a republican, and that whether or not they won, the republican agenda would still be in play. gradually, obama won my support, but it was more in rejection of clinton.

as this race wore on, my rejection of clinton grew, and my support of obama reflected that more than respect and admiration of obama. i refused to buy into the "hype," i refused to become a "cultish" supporter (though i have never thought his supporters were cultish to begin with). i wasn't going to be romantic about it at all. my support was merely in protest.

my support wavered and played disappearing acts. it fluctuated. sometimes, i was moved by obama, to the point i thought i liked him enough to be a proud supporter. i even changed my signature to "gobama..." briefly. but completely disillusioned and skeptical of the government and the election process, when i read conspiracy theories about him, the sort of "skull and bones/mason" theories and so on, i was more convinced of them than i was of his authenticity.

i have been so doom and gloom, depressed, skeptical and even frightened for the future and for my children's futures. i'm still skeptical, but i think without that, without a resistance to trust, without critical thought, without insight and a touch of cynicism, we open the doors to eras like the one we've recently seen and worse, to blind allegiance and nationalism and fascism and so on. but i have to say, trying to avoid invoking corny campaign slogans or catchy phrases, i'm kinda sorta maybe a little...feeling hopeful...and looking forward to...change.

this past week, and yesterday, and this morning, i have felt a certain consistency. i now see obama as more than just a strong orator, more than just a motivating figurehead propped up, one of a handful of evils to choose from. he stirs patriotic pride deep within me that has been so suppressed by anger and frustration and distrust. he may not be that liberal i wanted, but i am finally convinced beyond "he'll do." for the first time, i see the possibility the first great president in my lifetime.

"In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or a politics of hope?" -Barack Obama

[Omega3]

125. b/c he gives a good speech?

[beezlebum]

126. i suppose he should just be mute and absent

like the twerp in the white house now.

rather than admitting the relevance of every word barack spoke, go on, try to pretend it was meaningless gasbaggery. i guess that's what you've been accustomed to in hillary's camp.

[Phillycat]

127. I didn't think he was qualified to be president after the first "The Speech"

and I don't now, either. He gives a good speech. We knew that already. :shrug:

[Magleetis]

128. He has the magic

We will all win in Nov.

[demokatgurrl]

132. This country of voters has been collossally stupid before-

unfortunately, I have no reason to think it will stop now. We did elect Gore but by the slimmest of margins That should have been such a landslide it could not be stolen.
Then dumbfuckistan went and elected Bush.
I have little faith that we are smart enough to elect Obama. Or even Clinton.
President McCain, I'm just about ready to bet on it.

[mwb970]

136. Our election results have become truly perverse.

Al Gore wins in 2000 and dumbf*ck bush becomes president. Republicans vote for Hillary in 2008 because they hate her. McCain leads in the polls by promising a third term of bush, whom 70% of the voters have soundly rejected.

If America were a person, it would have long ago been institutionalized to prevent it from harming itself or others. Our behavior in the world is that of a psychotic bully. To the rest of the world, our once-proud nation now wears the hideous, snarling face of dick cheney, a certifiable sociopath and criminal.

This is the lowest point ever for America. If we can somehow recover from the bush Catastrophe, we can recover from anything!

[BigDDem]

138. So, it's BO or "we get what we deserve?"

Creepy.