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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:37 PM
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Jeremiah Wright, Willie Horton, OJ Simpson and Obama
There's no story here, but if Clinton and her supporters can somehow figure out a way to make one, they will.

I cannot believe the posts I'm reading from people who are supposed to be intelligent, open-minded, tolerant people.

Is this what we have become?

We might even be worse than the GOP.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:39 PM
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1. I hear very little tolerance in Wright's hate-filled speech.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:59 PM
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7. Point out his intolerance. . .not saying its not there, but identify the intolerance. . .
...and I'll address it.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:01 PM
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8. He only gets to say it cuz he's black.
OH yeah, and that whole slavery thing.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:39 PM
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2. As far as I can tell, the concern is that the GOP will play the angle in a GE
I highly doubt Clinton will touch this issue. You may nevertheless see it get mainstream coverage, and it could sway some SDs worried about Obama's electability.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:41 PM
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3. I hope she just says "no comment." Anything she does say will be
used against her.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:44 PM
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5. Well, even 'no comment' probably would.
A best response would be "I am unaware of his pastor's comments and I don't know enough about the situation to respond."

Make no mistake, though, the issue helps her. This stuff is poisonous for Obama and it goes directly to his electability. It could sway some SDs.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:41 PM
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12. if they do, they'll wish they hadn't...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:43 PM
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4. I'm sorry. There is a story here.
I wish there wasn't. I wrote a thread two months ago predicting that Wright would be a problem for Obama. He is. Not saying that he can't overcome the problem, but it's crazy to pretend there isn't one. Wright's comments scare the shit out of most of White America.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:50 PM
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6. Agreed.
Any Obama supporter who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

Thanks for being reasonable, cali. :)
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:21 PM
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11. Yeah... but subliminally, they now know he's not a muslim....

;-)
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:15 PM
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9. Obama is cool and calm. IMO HRC desperately want "a scary angry Black man"
to run against. If they can't get Obama to snarl on camera, the next best thing is to try to characterize him as a SECRETLY SEETHING scary angry Black man, through McCarthyite association with his scary angry pastor.

Compare Obama with, say, Al Sharpton. Obama himself, in his book 'Audacity of Hope', says that a secret of his success is his learning early that "white people tend to just LOVE a Black man who does not seem angry".

Right-wing psychologist Shelby Steele turned this Obama insight into an entire book (see http://www.amazon.com/Bound-Excited-about-Obama-Press/dp/1416559175 ) that contrasts what he calls "challengers" (for example, Sharpton) with "bargainers" (for example, Obama).

Challengers are "militants" who let whites know they assume racism is in play unless shown otherwise. He points out that when whites get in racial trouble (like the MSNBC morning show host whom Scarborough replaced), they often go to Sharpton because Sharpton can provide racial absolution or racial penance as well as damnation as an irretievable racist.

In exchange for advancement, "Bargainers" let whites know they won't cry "racism" unless they see clearly irrefutable evidence of individual prejudice or individual acts of discrimination. They are the kinds of African-Americans who make whites feel more comfortable. I agree with Steele that Obama and Oprah belong to the rare group of brilliant African-American racial tightrope-walkers who demonstrate to whites they are "bargainers" while simultaneously convincing Blacks they are not "sell-outs".

If HRC can succeed in portraying Obama as a "crypto-Challenger", not a "Bargainer", IMO Obama's electability will be destroyed.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:20 PM
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10. This is what hilaryland was all along and
I for one won't be lumped in with that pile o'shit.
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