Obama's sexism and Keith's Obermann's silence

[Iceburg]

I have to wonder where Keith's outrage was when Senator Obama HIMSELF (not someone in his campaign)made the cute little remark about how "periodically" Hillary had these little emotional meltdowns...

"I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically {long pause}, um when she's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal".

As a woman, I found that unequivocally sexist and I didn't hear a ten minute
tirade on the evils of sexism in the Obama campaign from our boy Keith....maybe that's just it...our BOY Keith.

[GarbagemanLB]

1. Hillary's been attacked! Activate the sexist bat signal!

[Ian David]

2. That's very funny. For a second I thought you were serious.

[pnwmom]

79. Spoken like a guy

who doesn't get it.

[papau]

3. I agree - Keith has sold out to GE's choice of Obama - willingly becoming more sexist daily

[leftofcool]

8. And GE's choice of Obama tell us everything we need to know

about what the Republicans are up to. Wonder how much GE has donated to the Mccain coffers so far?

[Tarheel_Dem]

47. Good question, why don't we ask Hillary's new BFF's over at Fox?

[roguevalley]

102. my, I wasn't aware that GE made a choice. How could they choose

the man who might change things over the corporate tool? What a bad management decision that is. Bad, bad GE.

[olkaz]

4. Are you kidding me?

Bill Maher had a great vignette (a week or so ago) showing how Hillary has gone through about every concievable emotion publically in regards to Obama.

Crying. Angrily denouncing. Proud to be on the same stage. More and more. It was a pretty wild display.

Call it what you want, but the campaign's face has been wildly random.

[aquart]

54. Bill Maher, another bachelor who likes his ladies quite young.

[RazBerryBeret]

88. hey, that sounds

Like a sexist remark...

[NJSecularist]

5. That is because you are creating something out of nothing.

[aquart]

66. No, it's there.

And when this man who was abandoned by both his mother and father gets all the power in this country, it's going to be everywhere.

[scheming daemons]

6. Um.... Hillary is 60 years old ... she post-menopausal..... Sorry.... doesn't work....

To take the word "periodically" and assume that has ANYTHING to do with menstruation in this context is laughable.


....also.... "When she's feeling down".... *MIGHT* be code for PMS - if Hillary still had a menstrual cycle.


You're stretching.....

[shenmue]

9. "*MIGHT* be code for PMS - if Hillary still had a menstrual cycle." You just proved the point.

*Clearly* it is a play on the word period and they're not stretching it a bit. That is exactly what he meant to imply and it doesn't matter worth a damn that Clinton is actually beyond that age.

It was no better than a lame, snotty potshot and you know it. Come off it already.

[WinkyDink]

104. I really don't think Obama thought it through this much. "Periodically" has only one message.

Becaause logically, there is nothing else Obama can point to, as further examples of her "regularity" of "feeling down".

Let us not be disingenuous.

[CitizenLeft]

120. I saw that clip about 10 times.

He clearly meant she attacks when she's down in the polls. This whole thing is so taken out of context that... I just don't know what to say any more.

And he always pauses... actually, that kinda drives me crazy, and I'm a supporter of his. When he's speaking in a casual setting, or even in an interview, he has lots of pauses that I wish he didn't, but that's his speaking style. This particular pause in question was not a ... pregnant pause.

[shenmue]

7. "Periodically...when she's feeling down..."

:eyes:

:puke:

Um, anyone else see this shit?

Why is this considered okay? Why is it okay for him to be ignorant like that?

Who are we kidding?

[aquart]

63. That's not ignorant, that's carefully crafted and very deliberate.

President Obama is going to be four years of fun, fun, fun.

Have you ever noticed how people accuse others of their own sins? What I've noticed is how he gives himself permission to be snide after a decisive victory.

[bunnies]

10. I shudder to think

that any woman could allow herself to be whipped into a frenzy over a statement such as this. Its just so sad.

[MarjorieG]

18. I'm a 60 year old and find Hillary temperamentally unsuited

As well, her experience and accomplishments overstated.

[Hepburn]

35. Ditto...

..I will be 60 this summer and I totally agree with what you said! :hi:

[pnwmom]

81. Were you an adult during the decades when there was a serious debate

about whether women's periods (which Obama evoked by the word "periodically") and menopause meant that they couldn't handle the Presidency? Watching Obama make that statement, it appeared that he was using "coded language" to appeal to the older men who would remember that debate -- while going right over the heads of the younger generation.

[Bake]

89. I very well remember the bullshit

Like this one: "Oh, hell, we don't want a President having a "crazy day" of PMS with her finger on the Red Button ..." I remember stand-up comedians doing that kind of crap and the audience just roaring over it.

As if we men have done such a fucking great job with it ourselves ...

Bake

[kerry-is-my-prez]

103. I worry more about men with a high level of testosterone pushing the button.

Some men have higher levels and they are often the ones who commit crimes, are violent and commit sex crimes.

How much you wanna bet Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld all had higher levels? war, war war!

[babylonsister]

11. Oooh, bad man, he said the word 'periodically'...

she has launched attacks 'AT REGULAR INTERVALS' or 'INTERMITTENTLY'; where's the beef?

pe·ri·od·ic
adj.

1. Having or marked by repeated cycles.
2. Happening or appearing at regular intervals.
3. Recurring or reappearing from time to time; intermittent.
4. Characterized by periodic sentences.

[Bake]

90. That's no bigger a streatch than some of the gymnastics I seen

on the part of Obama supporters to justify a charge of racism.

Bake

[Binka]

123. streatch than some of the gymnastics I seen

OMG could you try harder to be MORE illiterate? Really.

[pdxmom]

12. As a woman, I heard no sexism in that statement. What I heard was

that on the occasions that Hillary feels she's losing momentum, she launches attacks to regain that momentum.

I heard it when it was said and before anyone tried to spin it, and never thought it was sexist.

I also never thought the "fairy tale" statement by Bill was racist. Of course, I don't look for and pick apart every single statement that is made in order to create some reason to take offense.

[helderheid]

33. amen (from another woman)

[ourbluenation]

40. amen (from another woman)

[tammywammy]

107. Agreed

From another woman

[Skidmore]

121. Another amen from another woman.

[buff2]

13. I'll never watch him again

I used to watch him every night,but after his filthy tirade last night,that bastard can kiss my :dem: I'll bet he lost a lot of progressive viewers last night,but I'll bet he gained a lot of REPUKES. :puke:

[intaglio]

16. Good, he is not trying to appeal to the mindless n/t

[buff2]

21. LOL!

That was funny! :hi:

[intaglio]

34. I can live with opponents with a sense of humour

fair enough :hi:

[buff2]

37. No problem

I'm used to it by now. :hi: :hug:

[SeaLyons]

44. no, just to the cult followers

[scheming daemons]

19. He GAINED progressives..... Hillary's base is conservative white Democrats, especially in PA...

NOT progressives.


Progressives have moved from Kucinich, to Edwards, to Obama.

[GarbagemanLB]

23. Considering progressives support Obama and the truth, I doubt it. He might have lost some older fema

le viewers who are too blinded by their identity politics to see the truth.

[Hepburn]

38. Ooooooooooh....

....I bet KO is just beside himself cuz some unknown poster on the DU will never watch him again.

:eyes:

[buff2]

43. You think I'm the only one offended by his one sided bias?

I don't think so. :crazy:

[Occam Bandage]

14. LMAO. Seriously, the word "periodically" is now sexist? Is ending a sentence with a period sexist?

[TahitiNut]

78. Hysterical.

(Oops!) :blush:

[IndianaJones]

15. silent on his homophobia too...its that sports guy mentality. nt.

[K Gardner]

17. If you could please cull the Websters and provide a list of words unacceptable to use, we will be

happy to comply. Thanks.

[City Lights]

20. You're crying sexism while referring to a grown man as a "boy."

You cannot be taken seriously.

[Iceburg]

24. Fight fire with fire./nt

[NDambi]

28. delusional

[Occam Bandage]

32. So the solution to sexism is sexism?

[City Lights]

49. As I said, you cannot be taken seriously.

1. There's no there there.

2. If you believe what you typed, you've become what you decry. You're a sexist.

[stahbrett]

22. Wow, using the word "periodically" is sexist now?

He used that word because in his opinion, she is not continuously* launching attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal - she is only launching attacks when she's feeling down (as in, not feeling good about the way her campaign is going).



* Please don't tell me "continuously" is sexist too.

[NDambi]

25. Go back to your bag of tricks..this one's broken...

[Connie_Corleone]

26. The rest of us just need to get on our knees and bow at the feet of Hillary.

Just dip us in hot oil for daring to say a critical word of the mighty Queen Hillary I.

Don't stare directly at her. Keep your eyes down when speaking to her, but only speak when spoken to.

When you leave her presence, don't turn your back to her. Back out of the room while bowing to her majesty.

SEXISM! SEXISM! SEXISM! EVERYTHING'S SEXISM!

[Raffi Ella]

27. Keith's obvious bias

has overtaken ANY sense of obligation to be "Fair and Balanced".More over his bias has enabled him to BELIEVE that he IS being "Fair and Balanced", which is pretty fucking scary.

[buff2]

36. He's nothing but a paid shill for

St. Obama.....the Messiah. I thought he was on OUR side,but he's acting more like the Kool-aid drinkers and the repukes every single day. :beer: :puke:

[Raffi Ella]

46. oh he is no friend of Ours.

Edward R. Murrow is turning in his grave.How dare Keith use Murrows signature sign off as if he has even the slightest sense of journalistic integrity about him these days.

[Iceburg]

52. ERM sign off -- yes, very audacious ... what an ass!/nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

51. ???

"I thought he was on OUR side"? Uggghhhh....You sound like your new friends over at Fox News. You guys now have something in common, you both worship Hillary and hate Keith. :eyes:

It's obvious that Clinton supporters are now completely through the looking glass. Keith is a good man who has always spoken truth to power, and his brilliant commentary last night explained precisely why the Clinton campaign and its sycophants are destroying the chances of either Dem winning in November.

If you want to know the truth, I don't think Keith has ever completely gotten over her IWR vote. He hates this damned war, and has made no secret of that, and her triangulations about the reasons for that vote has never set well with most of us. But, if she's the nominee, I have every confidence that Keith will be her most fierce defender. Think about it.

[intaglio]

29. My partner has been a feminist for many years

and burst out laughing when I asked her if the "periodically" comment was sexist. Of course that was when it was brought up 2 weeks ago so she might have changed her mind


Nah!

[TNOE]

30. Facts would seem the bear this statement out

Its just "politics" - and Hillary apparently will do anything to win.

[Hepburn]

31. OMG......

.......how old is this crap now???

:eyes:

It was bullshit back then and now it is just old bullshit.

[Window]

39. LMAO! You Hilly supporters are funny as hell.

:rofl:

[cooolandrew]

That is so vague it is open to interpretation and it wasnt meltdowns.

[cooolandrew]

41. That is so vague it is open to interpretation and it wasnt meltdowns...

He was saying whenever HRC is down in the polls HRC throws poop at him and STILL IS.

[SeaLyons]

42. KO has joined in on the sexist attacks

against Hillary. I don't think he could go after Obama for doing what he does on a daily basis.

[Nedsdag]

45. Please stop with the sexist pap!

Why must every criticism of Hillary be used as a "sexist" attack?

I'm am a woman and I must tell you, I am OFFENDED by those who consider any criticism against Hillary as "sexist."

[SeaLyons]

69. I think you are over

stating here - every critism is not viewed as sexist. Just many of them.

[Political Heretic]

56. Put up or shut up.

Name them, with reference to the show or transcript where we can see for ourselves.

Because I'm calling bullshit.

[SeaLyons]

68. Hahaha

you are a laugh a minute....anyone who watches MSNBC on a nightly basis knows that KO has been on a campaign against Clinton. I don't have to provide links to prove that.

Calling bullshit back at ya!!!!!

[DarienComp]

72. And there you have it, people.

Being "on a campaign against Clinton" = sexism.

:eyes:

[SeaLyons]

91. Let's put it this way

KO is no Edward R. Murrow. He has blatantly shown his bias and has a big damn nerve ever signing off with "good night and good luck". He has no credibility now. He is nothing but an O'Reilly.

[Political Heretic]

97. So, now since you can't produce evidence, you shift to personal attacks

Still waiting on some substantiation of the charge of sexist statements.

[SeaLyons]

114. Schuster was suspended for 2 weeks

for sexist rude remarks, Chris Mathews had to publicly apologize for his rude sexist comments on air about Hillary......These are just 2 examples that pop into mind....

now let it go.....sexism is a part of our society - just like racism. Don't reply.

[DarienComp]

109. That's it?

That's all you've got? Come on. Still waiting for the one example of sexism, please.

[Whisp]

111. yep, that's what the new sexism is.

if you don't kiss our Queen's lying ass, then you are a dirty filthy mysognyst SEXIST

how disgraceful.

puke worthy.

[GOTV]

85. He was asking for evidence of sexism, not of preference for Obama - or are they the same to you? n/t

[Political Heretic]

96. Ah, campaign against clinton does not equal sexist

Whether or not I agree with your assertion about a campaign against Clinton, that does nothing to support the claim of sexist statements.

Still waiting.

[City Lights]

100. Please back up your opinion with proof.

Please point to a video or transcript where he launched a sexist attack on Clinton. Thanks in advance.

[Whisp]

112. it will be a long wait... but I'll kick this to shame the idiot that claimed that. nt

[City Lights]

116. Kicking to hear more than *crickets* from cricket. eom

[grace0418]

48. I'm a woman too. And I don't find that sexist.

Sorry.

[Froward69]

50. Questioning Hillary = Sexist?

We need you, you need Obama, Obama needs you. We all need each other! It is YOU dividing this party up. please for the Love of our Country and Party... STOP campaigning like A Republican. Please have some Humility. (as we ALL need to have from time to time) Become a TEAM player.

No matter how much you despise the thought: The MAJORITY of Democrats Want Obama as OUR nominee.

[DarienComp]

53. pathetic.

Just pathetic. Let's ban the word "periodically" now, huh.

Here's a clue: BOTH women and men tend to feel "down" every now and then (which is another way of saying "periodically").

Just because Senator Clinton was feeling down and launching attacks (and she was and did), doesn't make Obama sexist for pointing it out. The attempt to draw some kind of false equivalency to Ferraro's statement, really reeks of desperation.

[Political Heretic]

55. Ok, I've been sitting here for 15 miuntes seriously considering this. Answer this question:

I came into this thread saying to myself, "ok I'm going to really think this through... recognize my biases as a fair-minded by partial Obama supporter." I've been reading and read reading this statement and its not the first time I've seen it.

I just feel like in order to cry "sexism" you really have to squint and look sideways and then maybe, you could possibly make out something that if you really wanted it to, might look slightly that way.

My question is this:

Compare the two statements:

"I understand that Senator Edwards, periodically, um when he's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost his appeal."

And

"I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically, um when she's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal."

I would have made either of these statements. I can't for the life of me see the gender specific component to the statement. So, I have tried to think about this as much as I can, and I reject it. Now, contrast that with the statements of Ferraro. No intensive thought is required. There is no debate among serious people about the inappropriateness of her multiple comments. You don't have to "want" it in order to see it. It's unequivocal and right there. It stands out, in such stark contrast that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why a strong democratic supporter may decided to use his national platform to criticize a leading democratic candidate for refusing to nip that sort of overt racism in the bud.

[rucky]

58. If I were to apply that behavior to a gender...

I'd say men do it more. Little penis syndrome.

[DarienComp]

59. it's all a game.

If you can't see the sexism, that is proof enough to Hillary supporters that you're sexist. They've never provided any evidence beyond "Well, it's there, and if you can't see it, than you need to educate yourself." It's a cheap, passive-aggressive little dance that they do.

[rucky]

57. I just don't know what's satire and what's sincere anymore. n/t

[elixir]

60. I agree, there have been several denigrating inferences to Hillary's gender.

[anonymous171]

61. Because it is true. When she is down in the polls she attacks him relentlessly.

It's an obvious pattern. Was Obama trying to drive a wedge between the male and female votes with this comment? Was it one incident in an obvious pattern to use sexism to his advantage?

[uponit7771]

62. WOW!!! Stretch much?!?!

[jgraz]

67. Your use of the word STRETCH is clearly in reference to STRETCH MARKS Hillary has from giving birth

Are you afraid of women's reproductive power? Do you hate the feminine body? Are you one of those power-hungry, $4500-an-hour hooker-going alpha males who can't accept ANY woman who has the SLIGHTEST imperfection??

You people make me sick.



(Yeah, I need the :sarcasm: because GD:P has transcended irony)

[DarienComp]

70. you just said "irony"

Interesting choice of words, as I'm sure that in your patriarchal world, women are only good for ironing your clothes. Typical chauvinist male.

(necessary :sarcasm: tag)

[jgraz]

77. Damn, you totally needed that sarcasm tag

I've had almost EXACTLY the same thing said to me on this forum. Seriously.

[DarienComp]

84. Wow.

I'm shocked, but not surprised.

[jgraz]

64. Waitasecond -- he PAUSED???

Holy shit -- this guy clearly needs to be shipped off to the nearest Lillith Faire Re-education Camp, stat!!!!

[Moochy]

65. Reduce Recycle Reuse

That should be HRC's Slogan.

Reduce (her chances)
Recycle (the failed attacks)
Reuse (Obama's talking points)

[goletian]

71. wouldnt it be reasonable to infer that he meant down as in down in the race?

this is a real stretch. clinton endorses mccain and encourages fear of obamas possibly being muslim, and the best you can for dirt on obama is assume hes talking about clinton being emotional? and this is sexist? lol

[Slagathor]

73. Have you heard Obama speak?

He uses pauses as a way to avoid "um" and "uh".

[Medusa]

74. What does the media need to protect poor little Hillary

From everything I've seen out of her campaign it seems that her and her attack dogs are ready, willing and able to attack when they feel slighted in any way.

[Emillereid]

75. I am a woman and have considered myself a feminist since the new feminist

movement began in the 60s. Seeing sexism in what Obama said is to put it mildly a STRETCH! Get a grip!

[Emillereid]

76. I am a woman and have considered myself a feminist since the new feminist

movement began in the 60s. Seeing sexism in what Obama said is to put it mildly a STRETCH! Get a grip!

[Still-ill]

80. Is this a joke

like your joking right, you can't be serious. The Clinton camp has made statements that are obviously racially charged and this is all you can come up with. I don think this is sexist, I don't think this even enough for KO to speak about for ten minutes. You people need to grow up. This is silly

[jmg257]

82. Thought he was referring to her state of mind after losing a primary. She gets down from being #2.

[snooper2]

83. Are you fucking serious?

Hillary supporters have gone off the deep end...

Obama is going to have to add new mental health clinics in his agenda to take care of all the fucked up Hillarites.....


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[cottonseed]

86. Spadework, Shuck and Jive, and Trash Talking cancels that out.

So, we go back to the person with the more egregious offenses.

[MadHound]

87. Geez, first Hillary supporters bash Obama for his long pauses and stutters

During the debates as some sort of intellectual failing. Then when he does the same thing while making a comment, all the sudden it's some sort of great sexist plot. Make up your minds, please, and be consistent.

[Vinca]

92. As a woman, I fail to see the sexism in the comment the OP cited.

If that's all you've got, you might rethink the entire post.

[JBoy]

93. That's quite a stretch

[Rosa Luxemburg]

94. if a woman says something about a man it is not sexist?

Clinton says plenty about Obama and yet it is not considered sexist. Sexist doesn't always refer to women?

[WinkyDink]

105. What has she said about his being a MAN that is negative?

[AirmensMom]

95. I disagree.

I do not see the sexism in that statement. I do see the racism in GF's statement. Now, if Obama had said something along the lines of "If Hillary was a man, she wouldn't be in this position," that would be sexist. Well, he didn't. Go figure. No reason for KO to spend ten minutes on a tirade about something that didn't happen, is there? :shrug:

[alcibiades_mystery]

98. Hillary Fan Complaint Version 1: Obama stumbles and stutters when he speaks at debates!!!

Hillary Fan Complaint #2: Obama carefully plans his long pauses and "ums" in order to emphasize words in his sentences!!!!



Note to Hillary Fans: Please pick a line of argument and stick with it. When you introduce contradictory arguments into your repertoires, it just makes you look sad and pathetic and silly. Go with one!

[last1standing]

99. LInk please?

I mean you wouldn't want us to read this post and not have anything to back it up, would you? Would you?

[snooper2]

101. Keeping this bumped..

To show the outragous stupidity....

[izzybeans]

106. Have you ever noticed how engineers have this unconscious desire for phallic symbols?

With their propensity for long beams and things. Right? I mean its long and hard, so it must be phallic right? :sarcasm:

[Eric Condon]

108. from dictionary.com

pe·ri·od·ic (pîr'ē-ŏd'ĭk) Pronunciation Key
adj.

1. Having or marked by repeated cycles.
2. Happening or appearing at regular intervals.
3. Recurring or reappearing from time to time; intermittent.
4. Characterized by periodic sentences.




I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying this as coded language. "Jesse Jackson won here in '84 and '88" is coded language. Actually, no it's not - it's blatant, not subtle, in how offensive it is.

I don't deny for a second that there have been sexist attacks on Hillary for years now, and these attacks are repugnant and beneath contempt. But they're not coming from Obama and they're not coming from Olbermann. It's become pretty pathetic, watching Hillary supporters desperately grasp at straws to somehow discredit KO by calling him "sexist." Yeah right. Keith is one of the good guys - in fact, he's an incredibly valuable asset to us, because he's pretty much the sane world's one liaison to the M$M. So stop passing the buck.

[rodeodance]

110. REC

[adoraz]

113. not sexist, its the truth

Maybe its a coincidence or maybe not, but at times she goes crazy.

[Whisp]

115. this talk about periodicals is an apostrophe on

dangling participles!

you reverse sexist swine you!

[cindyw]

117. Um, how is this sexist? I'm a woman and I don't associate "feeling down" with being a woman

Do men not launch attacks against their opponent when feeling down in the polls and when their losing?

[truebrit71]

118. THIS is the best you can come up with? Seriously..this is all you have?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[LulaMay]

119. It's called 'brotherhood'. It's hallmark are huge, shiny egos.

[bridgit]

127. "huge, shiny egos", Ding!

:thumbsup:

[cali]

122. Of course partisan morons think Obama is sexist

hillybots are so full of shit.

[ProSense]

124. This is a sign of how absolutely absurd Hillary supporters are.

You're just making stuff up now to fit a talking point.

I'm surprised that the request for Hillary to reveal her earmarks hasn't generated a thread that claims Obama called her a pig.

[SunsetDreams]

125. I'm a woman...

and I don't find it sexist at all

[bridgit]

126. KO is a BO's tool...

:bounce: