BWAHAHA! Daschle's new book advocates people be FORCED to buy health insurance!

[MoonRiver]

He had to admit it on MTP. Oh, the hypocrisy! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Nitrogenica]

1. Yes, hate Tom Daschle now. AWESOME!!!!

[MoonRiver]

5. Hate? Hardly.

I find it highly ironic, and yes, hypocritical. But, I actually never did like Daschle much.

[MadBadger]

8. How is it hypocritical?

I'm a strong Obama supporter, but I completely disagree with his position regarding gay marriage. Does that make me a hypocrite for supporting him?

[Window]

38. I thought he answered the question rather well. I like Tom.

[NashVegas]

12. Funny Thing. Much of DU Used to Rail Against Daschle for Being a Pink Tutu Dem

Guess I didn't get the memo we now love him.

[MadBadger]

2. Hypocrisy? Do you agree with every little thing that Hillary believes in?

Cuz I dont aagree with every last thing that Obama believes in.

[elixir]

19. I agree but we're talking about Daschle, and I agree that he is ineffectual and shallow.

[Deja Q]

3. Dasch-hole at it again?

I thought it was Hillary who wanted everyone to have insurance; wages be garnished if need be? (what about the jobless?)

[LostinVA]

4. If you had actually read what her plan was, you wouldn't be asking that

[JoFerret]

21. Neither plan goes far enough

But hers is a bit better.

And mandates are essential.
The idea of entrenched interests rising up to greet Obama and put people before profits is plain silly.

[NDambi]

33. "And mandates are essential."

Not for me.

[JoFerret]

37. They are if the goal is universal health coverage.

.

[NDambi]

39. As I said, not for me.

[JoFerret]

44. Seems to me that universal health coverage

...is one of those basic progressive starting points.

The GOP does not think so.

[Usrename]

42. There are many differing opinions about their plans:

Although their plans are very similar, much of the recent campaign debate has centered on their difference over individual mandates, which are included in Clinton's plan but only apply to children in Obama's. Clinton has argued that Obama's plan is not universal, as many would choose not to buy health insurance. Obama contends that people will buy health insurance if it is made affordable.

This is a significant difference, as most health care policy experts believe a voluntary plan can at best cover 95 percent of those eligible. On the other hand, this difference is less than meets the eye because Obama's plan, unlike Clinton's, includes automatic enrollment in the public plan for anyone who is employed and does not have access to quality affordable coverage. As a result, Obama's plan would likely lead to higher enrollment in the public option than Clinton's, which many health policy experts believe is the best way to effectively control health care costs.

http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/272528

It's difficult to find reasonable opinions from people who are knowledgeable and who do not have a dog in this fight.

It is also nearly impossible to find anyone who will respond to this alternate point of view. It's like it doesn't even exist.

[JoFerret]

43. Very true

And BOTH plans fall short. And both would be an improvement.

[rodeodance]

9. you show no knowledge of Hillary's plan--your post is irrelvant

[Vinca]

6. Is Daschle running for president? Hmm . . . missed that.

I remember the good old days when Democrats could think for themselves. I'm proud to say that despite supporting one of our candidates, I'm for the Kucinich plan. OMG - take me to jail. I can't possibly by a good Democrat if I haven't fallen into lockstep with my candidate. BAAAA - sheep.

[rodeodance]

7. by your logic ---leave out anything Bill C. says. thanks

[Vinca]

10. Independent thinking is "my logic?" Wow - that's sad.

Do you have brainwashing centers hidden somewhere?

[rodeodance]

13. You ignored my comment

[Vinca]

15. I don't really get your comment.

Oh, no, I shouldn't admit that. It puts me in the demographic of a Hillary voter.

[rodeodance]

24. you need to think about my comment--instead of typing demeaning comments in your text

I don't really get your comment.
Posted by Vinca


Oh, no, I shouldn't admit that. It puts me in the demographic of a Hillary voter.

[rodeodance]

11. good catch

[MoonRiver]

14. I almost missed MTP because of the time change.

Husband reminded me about 5 minutes into the program. :)

[rodeodance]

22. that is why i missed it :-)

[elixir]

16. daschle is such a tool. He was a weak leader in the senate and is just as ineffectual speaking 4 BO

[JoFerret]

17. Oh No. Man - dates

Of course mandated insurance is the way to go. it is the ONLY thing that makes sense. My bet is - obama thinks so too.I certainly hope so. He got himself in a corner with this and then had to defend the corner with the GOP talking points. It happens. I could "forgive" him.

Universal health insurance is a must.

[MoonRiver]

20. Just one more example of BO talking out of both sides of his mouth.

:thumbsdown:

[JoFerret]

28. Although he is a very middle-of-the-road thinker

I do think he got trapped into his half-assed so-called health plan. Hillary was not doing that much better either. Edwards pulled them both ahead a bit.

Obama got stuck with his "plan" and left it too late to get out.

I don't think he understands the issue or its importance.

[MoonRiver]

30. Imo, he just constantly panders.

I don't trust anything that he says.

[NDambi]

35. I feel ya...that's how I see and feel about the Hilster

[JoFerret]

36. They are very similar in that respect

.

[rodeodance]

34. centrist

[stray cat]

18. I agree with my presidential preference on absolutely everything

because I am a mindless follower. I have never met anyone I agreed with completely and absolutely at all times.

[BootinUp]

23. I missed that, rewinding my recording now, lol.

[milkyway]

25. There's a big difference between what he thinks is the ideal plan and what plan is capable of

getting passed through Congress.

[C_U_L8R]

26. Did you actually listen to him ???

Why don't you link to a quote before claiming hypocrisy.
He has the same position as Hillary... so what ?
And he believes there are multiple good way to enact it.
Did you get to that part?

[BootinUp]

27. very informative post, lol.

[MoonRiver]

29. Jim, have you seen it yet?

[BootinUp]

31. Dang it, I lost the recording

:cry:

but I believe it if you say it happened, you have always been a reliable source.

[MoonRiver]

32. I think Russert replays tonight. Anyway, it was a real hoot watching Daschle squirm!

:D

[eridani]

40. Public or private insurance?

Paying into a Medicare fund is something that we already do. Just put all the money now going to private insurers into that funding pool will cover everybody and then some.

Clinton wants to force people to subsidize private insurers, which is an entirely different matter. Said private insurers are still motivated to deny claims as often as possible.

[JVS]

41. Wow That sucks just like Hillary's desire to do it!

[dorktv]

45. umm...UHC generally means that people will be forced to buy insurance

of one kind or another. Neither of the two left D candidates have left out private insurers in their plans. One just makes everyone have to join in regardless and the other does not.

[TheDeathadder]

46. I love how people claim the Clintons lost control for Dems

When it was guys like Daschle in the leadership position who were completely bulled over by Bush and the Repubs. Regular dems were begging Dem leadership to take a whole other direction with fighting the Repubs, but they just dropped the ball. Now people like Daschle want that ball again...give me a break.

Yeah don't let the Clintons in power again, but guys like Kerry and Daschle will do a kick as job advising Obama and the direction of the country.