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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:54 PM
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Susan Rice: C'mon, Senators Clinton and McCain (and more)
Susan Rice

C'mon, Senators Clinton and McCain

Posted March 6, 2008

In this election we have two candidates who will manipulate the truth and one, Senator Obama, who will tell it.

Last night on Tucker Carlson's show, I said that Senator Clinton, Senator Obama, and Senator McCain have never had to answer that proverbial 3 a.m. crisis phone call; only a commander in chief has shouldered that unique burden.

You can watch what I actually said. The full transcript of this portion of my interview is below.

Rather than acknowledge this indisputable truth, Senator Clinton's campaign chose to edit selectively and thus grossly distort my words in a video it sent to reporters and posted on Youtube. Senator McCain's campaign also misrepresented and manipulated my statement.

What we need from the next President when he or she answers the phone in a crisis is good judgment -- the kind that Barack Obama has consistently shown. Senators Clinton and McCain failed the judgment test when they voted for George Bush's Iraq war -- a war which has made America less safe and is the greatest strategic blunder of our generation -- without even bothering to read the full National Intelligence Estimate.

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To quote Olbermann: "Hillary is NUTS" (Video)

Josh Marshall:

Hillary Clinton seems to think she's a strong contender in this latter category. But that's a joke. She's starting her second term in the US senate, where, yes, she serves on the Armed Services committee. Beside that she's never held elective office and she has little executive experience. I think she can argue that she'd make and would make a strong commander-in-chief. But she's pushing a metric by which she's little distinguishable from Barack Obama. I'm honestly surprised she's not drawing chuckles on this one.


Well, enough of Hillary's despicable and ridiculous arguments. Time for desperation:

Clinton again raises running with Obama

By SARA KUGLER, Associated Press Writer

HATTIESBURG, Miss. - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Friday again raised the possibility that she might run with rival Sen. Barack Obama on the same Democratic presidential ticket.

Speaking to voters in Mississippi, where Sen. Barack Obama is expected to do well in next week's primary, Clinton said, "I've had people say, 'Well I wish I could vote for both of you. Well, that might be possible some day. But first I need your vote on Tuesday."

It is the second time this week that she has hinted at a joint ticket with the Illinois senator; he has not ruled it out but says it is premature to be having those discussions.

The town hall meeting at a train depot in Hattiesburg was Clinton's second appearance in Mississippi, where 33 delegates will be allocated in its Democratic presidential primary Tuesday.

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Why on earth does Hillary think Obama wants to be saddle with the Clintons' baggage?

Archivists block release of Clinton papers

By Peter Eisler, USA TODAY

LITTLE ROCK — Federal archivists at the Clinton Presidential Library are blocking the release of hundreds of pages of White House papers on pardons that the former president approved, including clemency for fugitive commodities trader Marc Rich.

The archivists' decision, based on guidance provided by Bill Clinton that restricts the disclosure of advice he received from aides, prevents public scrutiny of documents that would shed light on how he decided which pardons to approve from among hundreds of requests.

Clinton's legal agent declined the option of reviewing and releasing the documents that were withheld, said the archivists, who work for the federal government, not the Clintons.

The decision to withhold the records could provide fodder for critics who say that the former president and his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, now seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, have been unwilling to fully release documents to public scrutiny.

Officials with the presidential campaign of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., criticized Hillary Clinton this week for not doing more to see that records from her husband's administration are made public. "She's been reluctant to disclose information," Obama's chief strategist, David Axelrod, told reporters in a conference call in which he specifically cited the slow release records from the Clinton library. "If she's not willing to be open with (voters) on these issues now, why would she be open as president?"

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Former president Clinton issued 140 pardons on his last day in office, including several to controversial figures, such as commodities trader Rich, then a fugitive on tax evasion charges. Rich's ex-wife, Denise, contributed $2,000 in 1999 to Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign; $5,000 to a related political action committee; and $450,000 to a fund set up to build the Clinton library.

The president also pardoned two men who each paid Sen. Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham, about $200,000 to lobby the White House for pardons — one for a drug conviction and one for mail fraud and perjury convictions, according to a 2002 report by the House committee on government reform. After the payments came to light, Bill Clinton issued a statement: "Neither Hillary nor I had any knowledge of such payments," the report said.

The pardon records released by the library divulge little that might settle debate about those and other pardons. But they do shed new light on the volume of clemency requests that former president Clinton received — and the pressures he and his staff faced as friends, advisers, political leaders and foreign heads of state weighed in to influence which petitions would be granted.

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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:56 PM
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1. kick.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:53 PM
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4. Notice how this is being ignored? n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:58 PM
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2. The "running with Obama" lie? What sickening manipulation.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:03 PM
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8. I can't get her speech in RI out of my mind. She insulted Abama voters with
hysterical act about the skies opening and the celestial stuff, ridiculing us for supporting him. How the hell does she expect help from the people that she belittles?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:06 PM
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3. Posted on Huffington, with 5 pages of comments
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 01:07 PM by blogslut
Now, where can the Clinton campaign post a retort that will get as much traffic as Huffington Post? Hmmm. Now that I think about it, Hillary doesn't really have any community-type blogging friends. Her people are good at sending stuff to Drudge providing quotes to reporters but they haven't quite grasped the reach of this new, non-xerox medium. Too bad.

Well played, team Obama.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:55 PM
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5. Well of course dirty hilly grotesquely distorted her words
that's what she does.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:57 PM
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6. It's because Hillary lies.
What do you think all that "as far as I know" shit was about?

She's nothing but a fuckin' liar!
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:01 PM
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7. Do the damn thing Susan!
Hilly the Hypocrite and her fucked up 'camp pain.'
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:33 PM
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9. Go Susan...
...I saw that interview and when I saw what the MSM made of it I almost choked.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:17 PM
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10. She's awesome! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:25 PM
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11. Hillary, diplomat?
March 07, 2008

Hillary, diplomat?

A tough story from Toby Harnden, who used to be the Telegraph's Ireland correspondent:

Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

"I don’t know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don’t want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:30 PM
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12. Isn't Susan Rice the one that sat on her ass, while Rawanda
went to hell?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:31 PM
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13. Susan Rice was president? n/t
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:02 PM
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21. Actually it would be Bill who sat on his ass
Don't you remember? He totally ignored the genocide. Later he made an appearance in the country, bit his lower lip and said "I'm so sorry."
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:35 PM
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18. hilary lies again. No
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 09:36 PM by zidzi
exaggeration involved..they're blatant lies.

hilary's goin' down in history alright..she's goin' down.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:38 PM
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14. Isn't she the one who said Hilary was not qualified, but neither was BO?
Oops! Seems like some on BO's team need to be briefed in dealing with the media!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:39 PM
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15. Did you read the OP?
Sorry, Hillary talking points are lies!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:27 PM
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16. Bringing It On Herself

Bringing It On Herself

The ChiTrib looks at Clinton's claims of foreign policy experience. And the verdict is not a good one. I refer back to my point from yesterday -- she doesn't need to be a seasoned foreign policy hand. But she's setting herself up for a fall when she claims to be.


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:32 PM
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17. hilary manipulating a video of Susan Rice and sending
it to reporters who damn well better double and triple check up on the clintons..I knew hilary was rendered stupid by ambition but she's rivaling monkeyboy if she thinks her lyin' and cheatin' are goin to get her the pres much less the nom.
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:35 PM
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19. kicked
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:46 PM
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20. From today's WaPo, an op-ed on foreign policy co-written by Susan Rice:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:14 AM
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22. Obama: "You Won't See Me as a VP Candidate"

Obama: "You Won't See Me as a VP Candidate"

March 07, 2008 10:49 PM

ABC News' Sunlen Miller reports: While in Casper, Wyo., today Sen. Barack Obama ruled out the possibility being a vice presidential candidate during an interview with CBS' Montana affiliate KTVQ. Here is a transcipt of what he said.

Q: You’ve raised $55 million in February and in your speech today you said "I was against the war in ’03, ’04, ’05 -- all the way on through 2010, and you specifically mentioned Hillary Clinton and John McCain. Could you ever see yourself on the same ticket as Senator Clinton?

A: Well, you know, I think it’s premature. You won’t see me as a vice presidential candidate -- you know, I’m running for president. We have won twice as many states as Senator Clinton, and have a higher popular vote, and I think we can maintain our delegate count -- but you know, what I’m really focused on right now, because all that stuff is premature, is winning this nomination and changing the country. And I think that’s what people here are concerned about. How are you going to provide health care to every American? So I spend a lot of time talking about the plan I wanted to put in place that would not only lower costs for those who already have health insurance, but also make sure people who don’t have health insurance can get health care as good as the health care I have as a member of Congress. Those are the kinds of issues that really make a difference in people’s lives, and we’re going to keep on talking about them.






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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:17 PM
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23. Report: Girl "Safe And Asleep" In Hillary's 3 A.M. Ad Is Supporting...Obama!
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 02:17 PM by ProSense

Report: Girl "Safe And Asleep" In Hillary's 3 A.M. Ad Is Supporting...Obama!

It turns out that one of the kids who was "safe and asleep" in Hillary's controversial red phone ad would prefer that Barack Obama answer that 3 A.M. phone call in the White House.

A new report from King5, an NBC affiliate in Washington State, says that the first sleeping girl shown in the ad is a young local resident named Casey Knowles. King5 adds that the footage of her asleep is eight-year-old stock footage -- and that she turns voting age next month.

And according to the report, she is supporting Obama...

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LOL!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:52 PM
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24. Clinton's experience

Clinton's experience



Obama communications director Robert Gibbs emails reporters with a picture of Clinton and Sheryl Crow from a 1996 trip to Kosovo, linking a series of recent articles including this Chicago Tribune piece making the point that Clinton wasn't a central player on foreign policy in her husband's administration.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:10 PM
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25. Ed Rendell on Hillary

How Clinton camp justifies Obama VP but not CinC

by Mike Dorning

Does Hillary Clinton believe Barack Obama is good enough to be a heartbeat away from the presidency but still a second-rate choice for commander-in-chief?

As Clinton’s campaign simultaneously questions Obama’s readiness to be commander-in-chief and enthusiastically promotes him as a vice-presidential choice should she win the nomination, a Clinton surrogate this morning made the unusual argument that Obama is “qualified” to be a heartbeat away from the presidency but still falls far short of Clinton’s readiness for the job.

Tim Russert, moderator for “Meet the Press,” bored in on the seeming inconsistency in questioning Pennsylvania Democratic Gov. Ed Rendell, a surrogate who appeared on behalf of the Clinton campaign.

While the Clinton campaign’s recent rhetoric suggests that Obama may not meet the standard of readiness voters would expect in a commander-in-chief, Rendell argued that Obama is in fact “ready” for the job.

Still, according to Rendell, his candidate’s "dream" vice-presidential pick is “not nearly as ready as Hillary Clinton is, there's no question about that.”

Here is the exchange:

RUSSERT: Would--do you think that Barack Obama would be acceptable as vice president?

RENDELL: Acceptable? I think it would be a dream to Democrats all over this country. Personally, for me, it would be a great ticket. I mean, I'm going to fight hard for Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, whoever the candidate is. But put them together and I think it would give America a rare opportunity to experience something just incredibly wonderful.

RUSSERT: So, if you believe he's acceptable as vice president, one heartbeat away from the presidency, you believe that Barack Obama is qualified to be commander in chief.

RENDELL: I think he's qualified. I don't think he's as good a potential commander in chief right now as Hillary Clinton is. But I certainly think he's qualified. And I will work my heart out for him if he's our nominee, just as I know Tom will work his heart out for Senator Clinton if she's our nominee.

RUSSERT: It--that seems to be in conflict with some things that you have said and what Hillary Clinton has said. On Wednesday you sent out a statement from the Clinton campaign that says, "We want a president who's ready, not one we hope will one day be ready," suggesting Barack Obama is not ready. Hillary Clinton said this on Monday. Let's listen.

(Videotape)

CLINTON: I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.

(End videotape)

RUSSERT: And she went on to offer these observations about a threshold for commander in chief. Let's listen.

(Videotape, Thursday)

CLINTON: I think it's imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander in chief threshold, and I believe that I've done that. Certainly Senator McCain has done that. And, and you'll have to ask Senator Obama with respect to his candidacy.

(End videotape)

RUSSERT: So, Governor Rendell, if Barack Obama's qualified to be vice president, he has crossed the commander in chief threshold. Correct?

RENDELL: Well, I, I think he's ready. He's not nearly as ready as Hillary Clinton is, there's no question about that. But, look, make no mistake about it, he's a talented, dynamic politician and, and a, and a good senator, and I think he would make a fine president. Again, is he as experienced and as ready as Hillary Clinton? Nobody is. Tim, I've been talking to Democratic candidates since 1980, and Hillary Clinton is the best-prepared candidate I've ever talked to. Far better prepared than Bill Clinton was in 1992.

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What are you smoking Ed?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:10 AM
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26. "retired Army, Navy and Air Force secretaries will make the case for Obama as commander in chief."
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 09:15 AM by ProSense


Setting the new week’s tone, retired Army, Navy and Air Force secretaries
will make the case for Obama as commander in chief.

link

Obama To Push Back Harder Against Hillary's "Commander-In-Chief Threshold" Onslaught

By Greg Sargent - March 10, 2008, 9:54AM

In a sign that the Obama camp may realize that they need to push back harder on Hillary's efforts to sow doubts about his readiness to be commander-in-chief, Obama will hold a press conference today with former service secretaries for the armed forces who will attest to his experience and judgment.

Among the secs attending: Secretary Clifford Alexander, Jr. (U.S. Army -- Carter Administration); Secretary Richard Danzig (U.S. Navy -- Clinton Administration); and Secretary F. Whitten Peters (U.S. Air Force -- Clinton Administration).

Hard to miss that two are from the administration of Hillary's husband.

One thing to watch for: Is this the beginning of a concerted effort to challenge Hillary's commander-in-chief assault much more aggressively?



Yes. We. Can.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:24 AM
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27. I expected to see..
"National Security" as the reason for not releasing the papers. Every day reveals a new Bush-like action by the Clinton Campaign. The only unity I'm seeing is between the Clinton Campaign and the Neocons.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:25 PM
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28. Idiotic comment of the day: Wolfson on Obama and CIC test

The day's sparring

From the inbox:

From: Bill Burton
Sent: Mon 3/10/2008 12:33 PM
To: Bill Burton
Subject: Most perplexing comment of the day...

I encourage each of you to please call the Clinton press office (703-875-****) and ask them what this statement could possibly mean.

Says Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson: "We do not believe that Sen. Obama has passed the commander in chief test. But there is a long way between now and Denver."



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:45 AM
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29. RE: Senator Clinton’s claim to be experienced in foreign policy: Just words?

Obama Foreign Policy Memo

To: Interested Parties

From: Greg Craig, former director, Policy Planning Office, U.S. State Department

RE: Senator Clinton’s claim to be experienced in foreign policy: Just words?

DA: March 11, 2008

When your entire campaign is based upon a claim of experience, it is important that you have evidence to support that claim. Hillary Clinton’s argument that she has passed “the Commander- in-Chief test” is simply not supported by her record.

There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton played an important domestic policy role when she was First Lady. It is well known, for example, that she led the failed effort to pass universal health insurance. There is no reason to believe, however, that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration. She did not sit in on National Security Council meetings. She did not have a security clearance. She did not attend meetings in the Situation Room. She did not manage any part of the national security bureaucracy, nor did she have her own national security staff. She did not do any heavy-lifting with foreign governments, whether they were friendly or not. She never managed a foreign policy crisis, and there is no evidence to suggest that she participated in the decision-making that occurred in connection with any such crisis. As far as the record shows, Senator Clinton never answered the phone either to make a decision on any pressing national security issue – not at 3 AM or at any other time of day.

When asked to describe her experience, Senator Clinton has cited a handful of international incidents where she says she played a central role. But any fair-minded and objective judge of these claims – i.e., by someone not affiliated with the Clinton campaign – would conclude that Senator Clinton’s claims of foreign policy experience are exaggerated.

Northern Ireland:

Senator Clinton has said, “I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland.” It is a gross overstatement of the facts for her to claim even partial credit for bringing peace to Northern Ireland. She did travel to Northern Ireland, it is true. First Ladies often travel to places that are a focus of U.S. foreign policy. But at no time did she play any role in the critical negotiations that ultimately produced the peace. As the Associated Press recently reported, “(S)he was not directly involved in negotiating the Good Friday peace accord.” With regard to her main claim that she helped bring women together, she did participate in a meeting with women, but, according to those who know best, she did not play a pivotal role. The person in charge of the negotiations, former Senator George Mitchell, said that “(The First Lady) was one of many people who participated in encouraging women to get involved, not the only one.”

News of Senator Clinton’s claims has raised eyebrows across the ocean. Her reference to an important meeting at the Belfast town hall was debunked. Her only appearance at the Belfast City Hall was to see Christmas lights turned on. She also attended a 50-minute meeting which, according to the Belfast Daily Telegraph’s report at the time, “(was) a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times.” Brian Feeney, an Irish author and former politician, sums it up: “The road to peace was carefully documented, and she wasn’t on it.”

Bosnia:

Senator Clinton has pointed to a March 1996 trip to Bosnia as proof that her foreign travel involved a life-risking mission into a war zone. She has described dodging sniper fire. While she did travel to Bosnia in March 1996, the visit was not a high-stakes mission to a war zone. On March 26, 1996, the New York Times reported that “Hillary Rodham Clinton charmed American troops at a U.S.O. show here, but it didn’t hurt that the singer Sheryl Crow and the comedian Sinbad were also on the stage.”

Kosovo:

Senator Clinton has said, “I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo.” It is true that, as First Lady, she traveled to Macedonia and visited a Kosovar refugee camp. It is also true that she met with government officials while she was there. First Ladies frequently meet with government officials. Her claim to have “negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo,” however, is not true. Her trip to Macedonia took place on May 14, 1999. The borders were opened the day before, on May 13, 1999.

The negotiations that led to the opening of the borders were accomplished by the people who ordinarily conduct negotiations with foreign governments – U.S. diplomats. President Clinton’s top envoy to the Balkans, former Ambassador Robert Gelbard, said, “I cannot recall any involvement by Senator Clinton in this issue.” Ivo Daalder worked on the Clinton Administration’s National Security Council and wrote a definitive history of the Kosovo conflict. He recalls that “she had absolutely no role in the dirty work of negotiations.”

Rwanda:

Last year, former President Clinton asserted that his wife pressed him to intervene with U.S. troops to stop the Rwandan genocide. When asked about this assertion, Hillary Clinton said it was true. There is no evidence, however, to suggest that this ever happened. Even those individuals who were advocating a much more robust U.S. effort to stop the genocide did not argue for the use of U.S. troops. No one recalls hearing that Hillary Clinton had any interest in this course of action. Based on a fair and thorough review of National Security Council deliberations during those tragic months, there is no evidence to suggest that U.S. military intervention was ever discussed. Prudence Bushnell, the Assistant Secretary of State with responsibility for Africa, has recalled that there was no consideration of U.S. military intervention.

At no time prior to her campaign for the presidency did Senator Clinton ever make the claim that she supported intervening militarily to stop the Rwandan genocide. It is noteworthy that she failed to mention this anecdote – urging President Clinton to intervene militarily in Rwanda – in her memoirs. President Clinton makes no mention of such a conversation with his wife in his memoirs. And Madeline Albright, who was Ambassador to the United Nations at the time, makes no mention of any such event in her memoirs.

Hillary Clinton did visit Rwanda in March 1998 and, during that visit, her husband apologized for America’s failure to do more to prevent the genocide.

China

Senator Clinton also points to a speech that she delivered in Beijing in 1995 as proof of her ability to answer a 3 AM crisis phone call. It is strange that Senator Clinton would base her own foreign policy experience on a speech that she gave over a decade ago, since she so frequently belittles Barack Obama’s speeches opposing the Iraq War six years ago. Let there be no doubt: she gave a good speech in Beijing, and she stood up for women’s rights. But Senator Obama’s opposition to the War in Iraq in 2002 is relevant to the question of whether he, as Commander-in-Chief, will make wise judgments about the use of military force. Senator Clinton’s speech in Beijing is not.

Senator Obama’s speech opposing the war in Iraq shows independence and courage as well as good judgment. In the speech that Senator Clinton says does not qualify him to be Commander in Chief, Obama criticized what he called “a rash war . . . a war based not on reason, but on passion, not on principle, but on politics.” In that speech, he said prophetically: “(E)ven a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.” He predicted that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would “fan the flames of the Middle East,” and “strengthen the recruitment arm of al Qaeda.” He urged the United States first to “finish the fight with Bin Laden and al Qaeda.”

If the U.S. government had followed Barack Obama’s advice in 2002, we would have avoided one of the greatest foreign policy catastrophes in our nation’s history. Some of the most “experienced” men in national security affairs – Vice President Cheney and Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and others – led this nation into that catastrophe. That lesson should teach us something about the value of judgment over experience. Longevity in Washington, D.C. does not guarantee either wisdom of judgment.

Conclusion:

The Clinton campaign’s argument is nothing more than mere assertion, dramatized in a scary television commercial with a telephone ringing in the middle of the night. There is no support for or substance in the claim that Senator Clinton has passed “the Commander-in-Chief test.” That claim – as the TV ad – consists of nothing more than making the assertion, repeating it frequently to the voters and hoping that they will believe it.

On the most critical foreign policy judgment of our generation – the War in Iraq – Senator Clinton voted in support of a resolution entitled “The Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of U.S. Military Force Against Iraq.” As she cast that vote, she said: “This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make — any vote that may lead to war should be hard — but I cast it with conviction.” In this campaign, Senator Clinton has argued – remarkably – that she wasn’t actually voting for war, she was voting for diplomacy. That claim is no more credible than her other claims of foreign policy experience. The real tragedy is that we are still living with the terrible consequences of her misjudgment. The Bush Administration continues to cite that resolution as its authorization – like a blank check – to fight on with no end in sight.

Barack Obama has a very simple case. On the most important commander in chief test of our generation, he got it right, and Senator Clinton got it wrong. In truth, Senator Obama has much more foreign policy experience than either Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan had when they were elected. Senator Obama has worked to confront 21st century challenges like proliferation and genocide on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He possesses the personal attributes of a great leader – an even temperament, an open-minded approach to even the most challenging problems, a willingness to listen to all views, clarity of vision, the ability to inspire, conviction and courage.

And Barack Obama does not use false charges and exaggerated claims to play politics with national security.


Smack down!



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30. Think the media isn't full of shit:

Comments raise questions about Obama, his advisers

WASHINGTON - Most people are familiar with the litany of apology and expiation expected of a political aide who says something unwise or unwarranted.

So when Barack Obama's foreign policy adviser Samantha Power donned the hairshirt on Friday for having called Hillary Clinton a monster - "I'm just truly sorry at the harm it must have caused her" - the ritual was predictable to most political observers.

But, of course, anyone who follows politics knows that Clinton's camp was probably delighted - not pained - to learn that an Obama adviser had gone off the rails. Ultimately, all the faux outrage would serve to call attention to the Obama campaign's negativity and give Clinton more leeway for her own attacks - and overshadow similar gaffes by Clinton aides earlier in the race.

But if there was a warning for the Obama campaign, it was not about the dangers of negative campaigning. It was about the importance of having a consistent message and an effective chain of command.

Power was the third Obama adviser to stir up a cloud of dust in recent weeks by apparently substituting his or her own views for Obama's: In addition to the "monster" comment, made to a Scottish newspaper, Power told the BBC that Obama's plan to withdraw all troops from Iraq within 16 months was subject to change once he took office.

Susan Rice, another foreign policy aide, committed the misstep of opining that neither Obama nor Clinton was ready to handle a 3 a.m. phone call announcing a foreign policy crisis. Rice probably meant that no one can be fully prepared for the burdens of the presidency, but John McCain was only too happy to jump on her words and announce that he, at least, feels up to the job.

Perhaps most damaging of all, Austan Goolsbee, a University of Chicago economist advising Obama, apparently sought to reassure Canadian officials in the days leading up to the Ohio primary that the senator wasn't really as critical of the North American Free Trade Agreement as he sounded on the stump. A memo produced by the Canadian consulate in Chicago suggested that Goolsbee felt the heated antitrade rhetoric was "political maneuvering."

The actions of Obama's advisers raise as many questions about Obama as about the advisers.

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A BS story using the "monster" comment and Hillary's talking points to "raise as many questions about Obama as about the advisers."



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