I think things are much worse in Iraq today than is being openly reported.

[MoonRiver]

Listening to Lou Dobbs (welcome back Lou!), I'm hearing reporters say things like AT LEAST 12 Americans reported killed; Is the Pentagon in denial when it says these are isolated events?; and, Things are very, very bad in Iraq today. On GD people are saying they've read 130 GIs killed. Wonder if this is closer to the truth than the pablum we're being, as usual, fed. We won't know until the facts can't be hid by * any longer.

[xray s]

1. All the reports are being "stove piped" to Rove

They are probably all sitting around a table right now trying to figure out how to spin this before they release the info.

[MoonRiver]

2. Something is very different today. That is clear.

So dreadfully sorry for the soldiers, their families, and the innocent Iraqis suffering today. :cry: WE MUST GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS OUT!

[rfkrocks]

3. Oh my God-you think it is worse

What a FUBAR!Please not 130 killed-someone needs to go to jail for this!

[MoonRiver]

4. I'm just trying to figure out what's really happening.

You seem to find that a source for sarcasm.

[rfkrocks]

5. No-my Oh My God was real

4 people I work with are in Iraq right now-I wonder if they are alive-I am sarcastic about Bush but not about this-these guys all have families and I can't imagine how they feel in Iraq-another family we are close with are waiting for Orders for one to go over now-I am really serious about how wounded soldiers go from wounded to dead in a couple of days-I don't think we are getting the right picture-I agree-the death of people is not funny-I also wonder about the incredible lack of preparedness by Rumsfeld-it is amazes me he is the darling of the right yet he consistently undermanned the job-BTW-that does not mean I was ever for the war-in fact I became an activist on the day we went to war-when you think about all the time General Clark put into building NATO for Kosovo and compare it to this much larger job-I believe the negligence is criminal

[MoonRiver]

7. OK. Sorry, I couldn't understand if you were serious or not.

This is a horrible situation for those soldiers and their loved ones, not to mention the poor Iraqis, who never asked for all this horror.
We gotta hang together for the sake of every living thing. :hug:

[rfkrocks]

8. My fault

I spend half the time in sarcasm and half the time in anger-I can't believe Bush has undone all of things that our country was built on in 3 years! But never do I want to hurt any DU friends in my Richard Gere voice-"I got nowhere else to go"Thanks

[doubles]

6. That's why I'll be watching Newsworld tonight!

[welshTerrier2]

9. The special spin word is: handful

all the fighting is being done by a handful of insurgents ..

all the fighting is being done by a small group of fundamentalists ...

all the fighting is being done by small bands loyal to a radical cleric ...

this is the spin ... they like to tell you that very few Iraqis are involved in resisting the american occupation ...

does anyone really believe that the majority of Shi'ites are more loyal to the U.S. military occupation forces than they are to their own clergy ?? and now we're going to start killing or arresting their religious leaders ... yes, that will certainly quell the resistance ...

"you people are going to have an american style democracy even if we have to kill every one of you who doesn't agree with us ..."

[Nicholas_J]

10. Somebody

Accidentally added a zero to a report that it was 13 rather than 12.

But there have been numbers of other coalition soldiers as well, and the Italians stationed in Iraq have takken a rather large hit. 11 Italians were wounded in clashes with Al Sadr's militia in Nasiriya and the insurgents are are attacking in a number of other ciies as well as the area in Which U.S. troops were killed. U.S. troops had to come in to provide security with Iraqi Police in Kirkuk.

There are also scores of Iraqi casualties, and there is massive street fighting going on in Fallujah.

Over the weekend twenty coalition forces were killed, including Salvadoran and Ukrainians.

Over 100 Iraqis were killed, and several hundred wounded., many who were not participating in the fighting.

The most interesting fact is that fighting is breaking out in the Kurdish dominated North, now, and not just in the Sunni Triangle and the Shia dominated south.

On top of that the new troops rorations will reduce the number of AMerican troops as 20,000 of the troops that are there have finished their military duty and are being asked by Abizaid to extend their military tour. (cant see that happening).