Maybe you want to rethink Obama before it's too late...

[IowaGirl]

Here is a link to a blog in the Chicago Sun Times:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/blogentries/index.html?bbPostId=B95LXlrQxuwlCzDeWaLSrtJTQCz3eGmf3g0BF6AJ7Nbtmp36j&bbParentWidgetId=B8k88rWwXopuz5STgLeVwBLu

[polichick]

1. Fat chance!

[hueyshort]

79. I think this one is worse than Rezko

and it is frightening that they are reacting with Smear tactics
against Hillary Clinton:

SAN ANTONIO -- As Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) closed a combative press conference on Monday, where he was thrown seriously off message being asked about influence peddler Tony Rezko and why his campaign at first denied his economic adviser Austan Goolsbee met the Canadian consul in Chicago and talked about NAFTA, some reporters -- me included -- wanted him to take more questions.

'Guys,' said Obama, who is campaigning on a platform that there should be more government transparency. 'I mean come on. I just answered like eight questions,' he said as he waved and left to a chorus of shouted questions.

[global1]

2. If The Media Would Have Even Half As Much Effort Into Investigative .....

reporting on George W. Bush and his administration as they are putting on this - maybe impeachment wouldn't be off the table now.

[C_U_L8R]

3. So a right wing blog descends into name calling

and we're supposed to... change our minds ???
Bwahahhahahaha.

Sorry.. but no. Hell no.

[cali]

4. Nope. I'll take Fitz at his word, and Greenwald says he poured

through all the papers and there is definitely no there there. Maybe you want to rethink Hilly: Gupta, Hsu, Paul, Giustra, off shore tax havens etc. No? Then don't fucking presume to give Obama supporters advice. Not when YOU are supporting Hilly.

[DesertFlower]

10. i'm with you cali.

:toast:

[cali]

16. back at you

:toast:

[Coexist]

72. Fitz!

love him.

[pbca]

5. Ok..rethought - Still with Obama

Is this really all you've got? Sad.

Once Hillary's skeletons start tumbling Obama will be given a sainthood by comparison. Obama has been playing softball with her until now.

[hueyshort]

80. Let's see if America can hold up under yet another lieing right wing pres

The middle class is now a peasant class. We and our candidates are owned by
billionaires.
all they have to do to kill off Clinton is flood the blogs with lies, and Republicans.
Which is what they are doing.

did you watch the last debate? I doubt if, if you are still for Obama.
Do you only inform yourself from blog hate posts?

Then you understand why democracy is nearly dead in America.

[griffi94]

6. no need to rethink obama

i already find him unacceptable. i think he's the same as all other washington insiders. i can vote for hillary because i know what i'm voting for, but i'll never vote for obama.

[stillcool]

27. I'm sure you do...

and it has nothing to do with being a "Washington Insider":rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[JoFerret]

42. Ridiculous.

.

[SammyWinstonJack]

74. Not really.

[JoFerret]

84. It sure is ridiculous for any democrat

...not to support Obama should he be the nominee.
Ditto Clinton.

[aasleka]

7. Was there a question in there? So many people are saying that

Obama is going to be tripped up in the Rezko affair, what is the deal? What do you think Rezko did for Obama? Why not throw some facts out instead of insinuating that he has done something wrong, if you have something whip it out, if not it isn't news it's a smear.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

8. I'll take Rezko over the Clintons' cavalcade of slimy donors any day. nt

[high density]

9. Maybe you want to rethink McClinton

And vote for somebody who is running against the Republican instead of with him. As far as I know.

[IowaGirl]

13. No closed minds here.

:sarcasm:

[high density]

20. Pardon me for not basing my vote/support on a non-scandal that Clinton folks desire to be a scandal

That dog don't bark you guys...

[stillcool]

32. I know this is a lot to read....

but if you can open up your mind enough to read the words as they appear on the page, you might learn something.

http://illinoisreason.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/illinois-blogs-recap-rezko-obama-not-much-there-there/


Illinois Blogs Recap Rezko & Obama: Not Much There There, UPDATED

January 23, 2008 in Obama by robnesvacil

Tags: Barack Obama, President 2008, Tony Rezko

Two Illinois poliblog institutions, The Capitol Fax Blog (by political journalist Rich Miller) and ArchPundit (by political blogger Larry Handlin), are producing primers for the American people and the self-proclaimed media of record (not that the “national” media feels a need to be bothered with actual details when there’s a good soap opera to splash some ink on).

For those interested in learning just what Sen. Barack Obama’s not-very-much-of-a-relationship with Chicago developer Tony Rezko is, read up…

CapFax’s In defense of the locals reviews the Illinois political media’s coverage of Sen. Obama and attempts by the Tribune, Sun-Times, etc. to find skeletons in his closet over the years. Of note: the Chicago Tribune discovered two instances of what might be of interest to those hoping to turn Tony Rezko into Obama’s Marc Rich or Norman Hsu.

First, the Trib uncovered the property purchase in which the Obama family bought a home and Mr. Rezko’s wife bought an adjoining piece of property from the same seller on the same day. Sen. Obama has apologized for this event and acknowledged how, from the outside looking in, it appears unseemly even though everything was done legally and legitimately.

Second, the Trib also found that Sen. Obama’s staff gave an internship to a kid whose father was connected to Rezko and who had donated money to Obama’s previous campaigns. Ummm… ok.

Mr. Miller also writes that the Trib explained the research they did to investigate the connections between the law firm Sen. Obama used to work for and Rezko. Would that more media would bother to actually “work” a story as the Chicago papers have with regards to any sort of ties between Obama and Rezko (and most, if not all, of those ties seem to be perfectly legit based on that rather exhaustive research).

In his post, Mr. Miller also notes that an oppo-research consultant from one of Sen. Obama’s US Senate primary opponents, Mike Henry, was hired by the Clinton campaign and that since his hiring Clinton’s attacks have mirrored the earlier attacks from that 2004 primary opponent. Go figure.

UPDATE: Rich Miller has posted a follow-up today in “Present votes and Rezko“.

ArchPundit also currently has a series of five eight “Rezko primers” up on his blog (don’t know if he’ll add more so check his site for the latest UPDATE: Arch did add a few more and has a summary/linky post on all eight in “The Rezko Primer“). His posts’ titles are rather self-explanatory:

* Rezko Primer I: Job Offer and Friendship Begins
* Rezko Primer II: Political Donations
* Rezko Primer III. Legal work on projects Rezko was involved
* Rezko Primer IV. Letters of Support for projects Rezko was involved
* Rezko Primer V. Intern-son of Rezko ally/Obama donor
* New: VI. House Purchase
* New: VII. Land Strip Purchase from Rezko
* New: VIII. Landscaping and Property Maintenance Arrangement

Don’t get me wrong. Rezko is going to court after having been accused of some pretty serious white collar crimes. If convicted he ought to pay his debt to society.

But guilt by association witch hunts are damn weak — just ask the Clintons their thoughts on Kenneth Starr and his investigation of the, ahem, Whitewater Land Deal… — even if the national media is willing to lazily regurgitate an opponent’s spin on their front pages and TV news crawlers.

If some sort of quid pro quo had ever surfaced there’d be something to talk about but as it stands there’s really no there “there” between Rezko and Obama. No one has ever found any instance of Obama doing anything as a legislator that would have illegally (or even unethically) benefited Rezko. (That said, journalist Miller correctly notes that something about Obama may yet surface during Rezko’s trial but given the boxes of files the Illinois media has analyzed it seems unlikely.)

[IowaGirl]

38. If the investigation of Whitewater had come up just before the election, the Clintons might

never have gotten in. Timing is everything. Admittedly, they've had some scandal but for the most part seem to come through unscathed. Can we count on a newcomer to come through unscathed. I'm just asking people to think this through. We really need dems back in the White House.

[LiberalAndProud]

49. Whitewater was manufactured wholesale.

I paid no attention to it while President Clinton was in office. Conversely, I won't listen to Rezco whispers regarding Obama.

Sorry, I didn't read the entire link. I couldn't get past "threw Clinton under the bus". That is, quite simply, a lie.

[stillcool]

52. I guess you didn't read it

[NOLALady]

75. Whitewater was BS.

Thanks for your concern, but most Dems have been thinking about this for about a year now.

[Raine]

11. Uh...NO

I'm behind Obama 100%

[woolldog]

12. it's b/c of stupid shit like this

that more good people don't run for office and why there is so much disdain towards the political process.

This is as dumb as whitewater.

[wndycty]

14. Did you read the blogs description?

"Welcome to a Chicagoan's take on politics, culture, the left and the world in general from the right"

[IowaGirl]

19. And who are we ultimately running against?

I do think we have a problem if this drags out all summer.

[KAZ]

47. Who? You. And your ilk. n/t

[leftofcool]

15. Rezko is worse than can be imagined

And it wil drip and drip until it is too late. I predict buyers remorse.

[cali]

17. ooh,, another one wanking off orgasmically to fantasies

that Obama is some corrupt criminal who will be taken down. Sorry, dear, Fitz has said no wrongdoing on Obama's part. And Greenwald went through all the available documents and said that there was nothing to it. I love seeing the illusions of hillbot dashed on the rocks of reality.

[JuniperLea]

31. Wanking off orgasmically??!??!?!?

This is a new low... even for you.

[Egnever]

65. I thought it was a pretty apt description

[JuniperLea]

83. I found it putridly disgusting... eom

[anigbrowl]

23. Oh, I can imagine a lot worse

http://www.cherry-law.com/pdfs/SuperLawyerMMC_2005_reprint.pdf

You'll be hearing a lot about this guy soon.

[DearAbby]

30. You're praying for the downfall of a fellow Democrat....

I dont believe some of your people, but...keep beating that dead horse, might twitch.

[burythehatchet]

69. Worse than Marc Rich you think? n/t

[anigbrowl]

18. Quoting right wing bloggers?

Click on the 'chicago Ray' link atop the (illiterate) blog post...it takes you here:
http://chicagoray.blogspot.com/


Strangely, 'Chicago Ray' doesn't appear anywhere on the Sun-Times' blog page: http://blogs.suntimes.com/

It's just a blogburst feed. Check it out: http://www.blogburst.com/

[DesertFlower]

21. i'm so tired of people trying to make obama

"the bad guy".

i had always said that i would support hillary if she were the nominee, but after her constant praising of McCain, i cannot vote for her. sorry i just can't do it. she is willing to bring down another dem just because he got in her way.

[IowaGirl]

24. Uh, excuse me? What about all the poor candidates

that got in Obama's way when he first ran for state senate? Didn't he and his lawyer friends get them all disqualified at the last minute? Why bother to run a campaign if you can just get your competition eliminated? :think:

[cali]

29. I just want to him eliminate hill. I'll be thrilled. n/t

[stillcool]

Not that again...

are you saying that illegal signatures on petitions is okey-dokey? You all really like to break the rules huh? Cheat, steal, and lie..is that your motto?

[MojoMojoMojo]

39. And Obamas US Senate was won by 2 of his opponents ruined in scandal

Makes me wonder who outed Obamas opponents sex scandals

[Critters2]

61. He touts his US senate victory, but my dog could've beaten Alan Keyes.

I don't understand Obama's rush to be president. Why not spend some time in Congress? An ego this big scares me.

[indimuse]

41. touche'!

!!

[Faygo Kid]

22. Maybe you ought to rethink Hillary, because we're through taking her crap.

It was fun while it lasted for you, but her mudslinging, filthy campaign can't work long term. If it does, congrats with what you will end up with, because it will be something the rest of the nation will abhor and regret.

[Emit]

25. Too late

my vote has been cast

[DearAbby]

26. Ok....let me rethink this..

:thinking:



:thinking twice:



Nope, still support Obama

[shifting_sands]

28. Let's Make a Deal

Tell you what, I will make a sincere review of Obama as the better candidate just as soon as Hil releases her Tax Returns and what she actually did in the WH that she claims gave her the credentials to be president. Not that little lies seem to bother folks, but Hillary did say the WH was holding up her papers and the WH says "nope, no one has asked for them." We should also know who gave money to Bill and his library. Gee, it's been rumored that the Clinton's have been knee deep in money from the Middle East, terrorists countries even, but it's only a rumor, we don't really know as long as they will not release papers the public has a right to see. Anyway, at that time if there are no SHOCKS, I will review my assessment of Obama on this little fund-raiser (who also raised money for GWB 3.5 million to be exact.

[Window]

33. I think NOT. But, thank you for your concern.

[thevoiceofreason]

34. Blow it out your backside.

You should reconsider.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

35. Oooooooh.... a BLOG!!

Well, it MUST be true then. :eyes:

[izzybeans]

36. Why not link to the NY Post next time or the National Enquirer?

That's a shit rag for us in Chicago.

[pansypoo53219]

37. gee, if only hillary

wasn't making that IMPOSSIBLE.

[Colobo]

40. Mmm... yeah...

I stay with Obama! :)

[Cha]

43. At least your state

knows something.

[AgadorSparticus]

44. I would rethink supporting BO, but Hillary keeps shoving me in his direction.

Her dirty politics is really repulsive to me.

[1776Forever]

45. I read Ms. Sweet article - Using DumbO bama in her writing is a give away!

Ms. Sweet said:

DumbO bama

Obama talks a lot, but answers little.

.........

What does she want him to say if there is no is there? Let's let the trial go on and see where it goes. Just as the Hsu trial for Hillary goes on!!!!!

:grr:

[MojoMojoMojo]

46. This could get ugly if Iraqi Auchi's money paid for Obamas house or land

"At this press conference, Obama was asked specifically a few of the more simple questions about his relationship with Rezko, including how many fund-raisers he hosted (one has been reported), who attended these fund-raisers and would he disclose the closing documents for his home."

[IowaGirl]

50. I think it's odd that the two properties had to be purchased on the same day. That smells fishy to

me. :yoiks:

[cottonseed]

77. It was a single property. 2 lots.

Have you read the story?

[NOLALady]

78. Do you think its odd that HRC voted for the IWR?

Do you think its odd that HRC endorsed John McCain?

Do you think her support of NAFTA is odd? :shrug:

[1776Forever]

51. Chinese influence on Hillary's part not too palatable either! Link.......

How Donor With Asian Ties Knitted Access and Success
By CHRISTOPHER DREW

Chinese-American businessman Johnny Chung, who has donated $391,000 to Democratic party since 1994 and visited White House at least 50 times, has used political connections to promote business ventures and impress foreign businessmen; window display at Beijing beer company even includes photo of smiling Pres and Mrs Clinton with two company executives and Chung; photo; Chung lawyer Brian A Sun says some of money for Chung's donations came from his profits in foreign ventures; interviews and rec...
February 22, 1997

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/johnny_chung/index.html?s=oldest&

.............

Hillary is the one that has linked herself to Bill's years in the White House.

:blush:

[walldude]

48. Yeah thats a devastating shot at Obama

I'm sure he's quaking in his little booties. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[barack the house]

53. Sun times is a REPUBLICAN newpaper...Try this clintons linked to REZKO MESNBC...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22947679/

[Critters2]

62. Wrong. The Sun-Times is the progressive paper in Chicago.

The Tribune is the Repug paper. And it loves Obama!

[barack the house]

54. Sun times is a REPUBLICAN newspaper...Try this clintons linked to REZKO MESNBC...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22947679/

[IowaGirl]

55. I think I'm on record elsewhere on this site as saying neither candidate was perfect. It's more a

matter of who is most likely to blow up in our faces between now and November and the Clintons do seem to be pretty teflon-coated in this kind of stuff. Are we willing to risk letting the Repubs being able to snake their way in again?

[Ichingcarpenter]

56. So have you Xeroxed Hillary's tax returns yet for us?

From 2006?

[zulchzulu]

57. What? And vote for McCain? Are you nuts?

I certainly would not vote for Hillary Clinton since she's a turncoat who endorsed the Democratic Party's opponent in the election.

Nader? Um, if you give me a billion dollars...

[WillyT]

58. Thank You !!! - I Really Really Wanna Compare Obama With HRC And John McCain...

...

...

...

OK, It's still Obama.

But thanks a lot.

You really helped enormously.

I really , really mean it.

You are so the best.

You...

:banghead:

[still_one]

59. I rethought alright. One week ago I would have supported whoever the Democratic nominee was

after clinton letting us know that mccain was more qualified to be president than Obama, if she gets the nomination, I will NEVER vote for HER or mccain in the general election

good work, you lost a vote that would have been a sure thing

[Critters2]

60. I've recently been reading about how he won his first election

by challenging other candidates' petitions until he was running against no one. The more I read, the more I hope his supporters will re-think. I'm very concerned.

http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/1

[IowaGirl]

64. I doubt if any of his supporters will read this. It's too much fun to be caught up in something....

like the Obama mania. Everyone can go to a feel good rally with their friends, meet their fellow Obama bots at a bar and just succumb to a brain numbing trance with the rest of the group. Heck, I almost wish I could do that, however, I'm always the skeptic and need more facts.

[Mooney]

67. I voted for Obama

and I never went to a single rally or engaged in any sort of collectivist activity. Your characterization of Obama supporters as being in a trance or succumbing to some sort of groupthink is, at least from my perspective, completely uninformed horseshit that you're pulling out of your ass.

[Critters2]

87. I've been to Obama rallies. Trust me, it is groupthink.

I prefer substance.

[NOLALady]

76. Good for you.

When the facts are all in, unless you are in a brain numbing trance, you will probably change your position.

[Critters2]

88. So, give us some of those facts. nt

[donheld]

63. Get a profile

I still won't change my mind, but you need a profile.

[IowaGirl]

66. I like your kitty/mouse image. Much like two politicians running for office.

[sniffa]

68. This place gets more unbearable everyday

whether it's the zombies, or the disruptors, or the "sincere" concern trolls. :boring:

[burythehatchet]

70. and check if the registered e-mail address is [email protected] n/t

[Raffi Ella]

71. The Party Leaders are re-thinking Obama...

After Hillary wins PA,I think all this info here coupled with the fact he can't carry the battleground States will seal the deal for her.

His supporter's know this,that's why they're shouting everyone down around here lately.



Thanks for the post - Welcome to D.U. :hi:

[workinclasszero]

73. Maybe you want to rethink Hillary before its too late...

[awaysidetraveler]

81. The Sun-Times is a lying-ass rag.

As evidenced by their repeated Rezko reporting "errors."

By the way, you might want to rethink having a liar as a president.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=100620&mesg_id=100620

[GoldieAZ49]

82. I already did rethink it, about 10 days ago

undecided now

never been a fan of the Clintons

[Eurobabe]

85. Maybe you want to activate a profile

So we know you aren't a troll. BTE, the blog/article you reference is OLD news.

Nice try. C'ya!

[AtomicKitten]

86. Nah, we've got it exactly right ......... Gobama!!!!!

[eShirl]

89. maybe you should rethink McCain

I mean Hillary