LOOK: Both Clinton and Obama will win the big states period

[blocker]

Don't mix the 2 contest, theres a difference between primary's and general election so what's the argument about Obama not winning the big states? It's not the general yet.

guy's please explain it to me.

[DJ13]

1. guy's please explain it to me

Theres no explaining it, you're right.

Thats just more Rovian spin from the Hillary campaign.

[pinkpops]

2. I've been mulling through similar thoughts myself - for example

Texas, where I live. We are so thrilled to be involved this year, but prospects for Texas to go Democratic in the general election are slim, I am told.
Hillary was so happy about Ohio - saying nobody has become president without winning Ohio. Of course there is always a Republican as well as a Democrat winner in Ohio primaries - so winning a primary in ohio still only gives you a 50% chance of winning the general election.
One argument Hillary seems to be making is that Obama is winning in states which will go to the Repubs in the general - which is back to the Texas thing. Why should Texans have a say in who wins the primary if they will not matter in the general? One answer is party building. If there is no Hope (yes "hope") no one will participate. I think the abandonment of winner-take-all, though painful, will open the door to increased participation.
Enough blabber from such as I.

[blocker]

3. Well hillary was wrong JFK didn't win Ohio in his primary

so she lied again

[pinkpops]

4. vewwy intewesting...did you discover that or has it been widely

reported?

[blocker]

7. yeah ed schultz mentioned that today

take it for what it's worth!

[pinkpops]

10. Doing a quick search, it appears that JFK as well as FDR failed

to carry Ohio in the general election. I haven't found anything yet regarding what happened in the primaries leading to those elections.

Update: Michael DiSalle, governor of Ohio, won the Democratic primary. So Shultz was right, Clinton was wrong (or as you say lying).

[amborin]

18. JFK was not on the Ohio primary ballot in 1960

that's why he did not win the Ohio primary

[amborin]

19. she didn't lie, stop bashing and smearing Hillary, enough!

[Mooney]

5. That argument is total horseshit.

There, I explained it.

[PM7nj]

6. Thank You!

All I keep hearing is that there is no way NY or California can go Obama, or the Illinois and Maryland will never go Clinton! Seriously, it is crazy.

[cottonseed]

8. Hilllary's big state argument is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen.

They can keep trying to repeat it, but they'll keep sounding like dumb dumbs.

[blocker]

9. Why don't the Obama camp bring it up then?

[cottonseed]

11. That's a good question. Kerry is making that argument though.

I think his surrogates should be clearing this up. He needs to attack the meaning of just what "experience" Hillary has, and keep working those states.

[pinkpops]

12. Experience is answering the phone (3AM) , handing to Bill, saying

"It's your Russian girlfriend"

[blocker]

13. Forget russian girlfriend, his canadian g/f is hotter!!!!!!!!

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/?storyID=2622&p=2
http://www.torontolife.com/features/the-belinda-stronach-defense/

[pinkpops]

14. rut roh

[cottonseed]

15. Or his Ukrainian boyfriend Victor Pinchuk

I'm sure the voters of Pennsylvania may want to hear a bit more about Bill's good buddy, who just happens to be a billionaire steel magnate.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/105650

[pinkpops]

17. My my

[amborin]

20. Obama supporters deny facts, deny history

[pinkpops]

21. Ah - there you are...

[amborin]

16. there's a difference but:

sure the primaries are not the GE

but....with the one exception of Kennedy in 1960 (whose name was not on the Ohio ballot),
NO presidential candidate--republican or democratic---has WON the GE, without first winning the primary in Ohio

sure, winning the primary in Ohio does not mean the candidate will definitely go on to win the GE

but you can't win the GE without winning the primary in Ohio

so winning the primary in Ohio is Necessary, but not Sufficient, to win the GE

[pinkpops]

22. Asuming your history is correct I think your logic is not -

There is no law, physical or human-made, which says you have to win the primary in Ohio in order to win the general election. Just because something has never happened does not mean it cannot happen.
Did I misunderstand you?