The Super-Delegates must support whoever the most Democrats want to be the nominee!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

The Super-Delegates must support whoever the most Democrats (and Dem leaning independents) want to be the nominee!

No help there... let's try Rasmussen

Rasmussen Daily Tracking:
03/04 Clinton 46% Obama 44%
03/03 Clinton 45% Obama 44%
03/02 Clinton 44% Obama 44%

Hmmm. Strictly 'margin of error' territory there...


Good Luck, Super Delegates!:hi:

[bunnies]

1. Try to win a GE with only Democrats.

Good luck with that.

[LulaMay]

3. Try to win one without women who are tired of being stomped on and told what to do.

[bunnies]

8. Im a woman.

And as a woman I dont appreciate being told to vote with my genitalia.

[LulaMay]

10. and you're not in the majority of women turning out to vote for her. We want equal representation.

and an end to all the sexism, which any honest woman can admit has been prevalent, no matter who you support.

Hillary Clinton is a brilliant, capable woman.

[bunnies]

15. Hillary Clinton as President will end all sexism?

Are you for real?

Praytell... how exactly will that happen. I'd love to know.

[NanBo]

21. aren't you the same one

who said in another thread we should vote for her so Bill can run around the world fixing stuff?
Sorry, this woman is NOT buying your logic.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. Both tracking polls are Dems and Dem leaning independents

[bunnies]

9. Thanks for the clarification. nt

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

11. I assume Hillary would lead a little among Dems and Obama would lead (much more) among indys

If they broke out the subsets. That distribution has been pretty consistant, even as the candidates rise and fall in absolute support.

[bunnies]

18. we agree.

But in a GE where indys will play such an important part... HRC wont cut it.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

20. Against anyone but McCain, I'd agree

Versus McCain, it becomes a "base" election. McCain will do well enough among indys vs. any Dem that Dem base turnout is the key. (Since pug base voting will be the weak link for McCain)

The sad truth is that we need unprecedented turnout from blacks, latinos and women, and a rough draw with male independents.

Both Obama and Clinton provide half the needed pieces.

The party is genuinely split. The worst thing in these exits is that the majority of voters today are saying they will not be satisfied if the other candidate wins.

There really are people we need who will stay home or vote McCain if it's Clinton, or will stay home or vote Clinton if it's Barack.

[bunnies]

22. Thats really sad.

So what do we do in this situation?? A C & O ticket will alienate the roots... but maybe it will unify the masses.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

23. A C/O ticket would be a big winner, but there's no path to it I can see

An O/C would be terrible... alienate some pugs and male indys without the comparable gain among women.

It's a pickle.

At this point, I honestly don't know who I want to win. I like Clinton more, but who I like isn't really the question.

Gore/Obama looks very good...

[bunnies]

24. Again. We agree.

The thought of Gore/Obama makes me all tingly inside. Im even kinda pissed that he didnt enter the race this time.

Isnt it strange that Gore is the uniting force between C & O supporters? Our intentions can't be that different after all.

The thing that scares me is that the party is going to be completely split... even though C & O have basically the same positions. Despite my momentary lapses of reason (due to spending all too much time on DU) It'll break my heart if the party fractures and we end up with John "100 years of war" McCain.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

25. The reason I like Gore or Clinton in 2008 is

The reason I like Gore or Clinton in 2008 is that the old guard needs to come back to vanquish the Republicans before we can move forward.

It's like De Gaulle returning to France, or King John returning in Robin Hood to rout the pretenders.

If we do not WIN this battle that has been raging since 1994 and repudiate the Bush reign then the RW nuts will just regroup and be back in four years.

Gore being president would be so righteous after 2000 that it would set things aright. Since he's not running, Hillary is the best remaining representative of what the Republicans stole from us... of the era before G W Bush.

I think the reason people hate Democrats is that we are chemotherapy and the Republicans are cancer. The chemo actually makes you feel sicker than the cancer, but it's necessary. (Everyone with cancer I've ever known has resented the chemo... the cancer will kill you eventually, but the chemo will make you feel terrible TODAY.)

[elixir]

19. I'd rather see that then basing the GE on cross over and indie votes that may not show in the GE

[tekisui]

2. Count votes and Delegates, not running polls.

But, yeah it's tight.

[ulysses]

5. you do know

that superdelegates were originally conceived in order to give the power brokers more power and the voters less, right?

[tekisui]

6. And they were there to prevent "fringe candidates" and sure losers

from getting nominated by the unwashed masses. Both the candidates left are mainstream candidates that would beat McShame, so they have no need to go against the voters choice.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

7. Of course. But now folks say they must reflect "the will of the people"

[ulysses]

13. I do suspect

that they realize it would ruin the party for them to choose someone other than who the voters choose. But yes, there's no reason that they "have to" follow the voters - they're there in order to counter the voters if the party bigwigs don't like the voters' choice.

[redqueen]

16. Yup...

another check on the people's power... like the Senate.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

26. ...

[redqueen]

27. :::

:P

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

28. !!!

[redqueen]

30. ***

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. If HRC Wins OH And TX *She Will Surely Win PA, WV, PR, And KY

She will most likely come to the convention with approximately half the pop vote and a loyal following of Latino, working class, elderly, and female voters... She, in my scenario, will also be beating both Obama and McCain in nat'l polls...

If her and her followers are given the big "f you" I can easily see many of them staying home and more than a few, especially Latino voters, voting for Grand Pa McCain, especially if he puts a Latino (Mel Martinez) on the ticket...

That being said Obama has a legitimate claim on the nomination too...

Try splitting that baby....

*If HRC doesn't win TX and OH she's done and everything I wrote is moot...

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

14. The problem continues to be that Obama/Clinton makes no sense

Clinton/Obama is a great ticket -- totally different from anything that's gone before; old guard bringing along the new generation, etc.

Obama/Clinton is probably a losing ticket because Hillary just drags down Barack's whole message, and everyone would know Obama resented being forced into that. (And, most importantly, she wouldn't take it)

If Clinton was leading in an excruciating race, it would be easy to make a unity ticket. With Obama leading, a unity ticket is impossible.

It's just bad luck.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I Don't See How You Can Tell Half The Party To Fuck Off

It's all predicated on her winning TX and OH...

But if she does my entire scenario is plausible...

[question everything]

29. And by "most Democrats" do you mean popular votes - the way it was with Gore

or number of delegates - the way it was with Bush?

Do we really want to reward the bizarre system in Texas where African American votes are worthier than Latino ones?