JK: They brought Cheney out of his undisclosed location today to attack me

[flpoljunkie]

Damn good line, JK! Heard it on MSNBC and CBS radio.

[wryter2000]

1. Good one!

Go get 'em, JK.

[rock]

2. He is good

I've warmed nicely to Kerry.

[tom_paine]

3. Well done, Mr. Kerry!

:toast:

[Melodybe]

4. Yay Kerry! Keep reminding people how shadey these assholes are!

[RobertSeattle]

5. Cheney parrots the BIG LIE "350" line

Arg. And then the press just passes it along without fact checking.

[flpoljunkie]

7. Factcheck.org actually does a good job debunking this Bushco distortion!

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=159

When pressed for a list of Kerry's 350 votes, the Bush campaign quickly supplied FactCheck.org with one document  listing 352 votes and a second listing an additional 27 votes. But a campaign official cautioned: “It is important to note that these are votes for higher taxes, not necessarily tax increases , meaning it includes votes against tax cuts.” (Emphasis added by FactCheck.org). In other words, what the campaign's manager and chief spokesman had been saying was wrong. And even the President's phrasing -- saying Kerry voted for "higher  taxes" 350 times -- is not only misleading but actually misled several news professionals. It's simply untrue that Kerry voted for tax increases 350 times.

The Bush lists of 379 votes is padded with scores of votes Kerry cast against tax decreases (which would leave taxes unchanged, not higher), votes to reduce the size of proposed tax cuts (which would leave taxes lower, though not as much lower as proposed), and “votes for watered-down, Democrat ‘tax cut’ substitutes” (which often proposed to distribute the benefits of tax cuts farther down the income scale than Republican proposals). Thus the Bush campaign counts some votes for tax cuts as votes for "higher taxes."

Among the votes the Bush campaign documents count as votes for “higher taxes” are the following:

~A 1985 vote to offset a proposed increase in Medicare premiums by preventing the tax on cigarettes from dropping to 8 cents a pack from 16 cents, as it was scheduled to do. Taxes would have remained at 16 cents a pack.

~A 1986 vote against a non-binding resolution  to express the “sense of the Senate” that hazardous-waste “superfund” cleanup shouldn’t be paid for by a broad-based tax on manufacturers, but by some unspecified alternative source. Taxes would have remained the same.

~A 1987 vote against repealing a “windfall profits” tax on oil. Taxes would have remained the same.

~A 1989 vote to sustain a Democratic filibuster against a proposed cut in the capital-gains tax. Taxes would have remained the same.


None of these votes would have resulted in a tax increase, and most of the votes on the Bush lists are like that. Whether they would have resulted in "higher taxes" depends: higher than what? Bush campaign officials argue that in each of the votes they list, Kerry was presented with alternatives and chose the higher of the two. Perhaps the President should have said Kerry voted 350 times for "higher taxes than Republicans prefer."

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Republicans are masters in the art of distortion and smears. It is a damn good thing that John Kerry is truly a fighter and will not back down!

[jean]

6. "Undisclosed Location" is pretty much a code word for Cheney, eh?

Very soon it is all we'll ned to say and be able to avoud speaking his criminal name.

[robsul82]

8. Heheh...

Ol' Kerry, showing some humor and fire there, nice job.

Later.

RJS

[livetohike]

9. lol JK

my kind of humor. Imagine having a president with a sense of humor instead of the current nitwit.

[salinen]

10. Saddam is sub-letting

his hole to Cheney.

[sistersofmercy]

11. Hahahahaha!

Gotta love it! Just love it that Kerry can deliver a nice little bitchslap when he needs to.

[Thrill]

12. Kerry needs a strong VP

this is the second week Cheney has launched relentless attacks and the media broadcast them in their entirety.

[Catholic Sensation]

13. almost as good as the regime change line

and better than "the only person who should be downsized is President Bush"

[bushbegone04]

14. I'm preparing to be flamed here

And I am new, but I think the "they're attacking me, woe is me" response is getting old, and making Kerry look whiny. Howard Dean would NEVER do that!!!

I know, I know - he needs to do something to fight back, but maybe that is the reason that Bush's numbers are either stable or going up in some polls?

Like I said, flame away.

[sistersofmercy]

15. Have you ever seen Kerry speak?

He definitely does not come across as whiny. This is in fact a very funny little slap at both bush* and Cheney, meaning they had to bring Cheney out from lurking in his "undisclosed location" in order to attack Kerry. Why? Because the boy king* can't do it and it's up to Uncle Dick to take on Kerry.

[bushbegone04]

17. I'm really referring to the media

Because every headline we read is like, "Kerry complains about VRWC" or "Kerry slams Republican attacks" etc.. it seems as if the media is always reporting that Kerry is complaining about being attacked all the time and in my personal opinion, the way they write things makes him sound as if he's whining, especially with this piece about Cheney. Yes, I see the humor in this one but it seems to be a pattern with Kerry. I don't think people want a complainer as a president and that was why I said that maybe Bush is still up in his polls. Dean would have a different approach, he would just like, take it and move on rather than play a victim.

[JI7]

18. Dean was a huge complainer

don't you remember the pin cushion comments ?

[bushbegone04]

19. yes but Dean had a tougher persona

in the media. everyday i am seeing the media paint Kerry as a complainer, and i am not just watching faux news; it is everywhere.

[JI7]

20. well, i'm not seeing it

and i didn't see dean's tough persona either. you are the only one i heard with this view.

[Hekate]

21. And yet you say "it seems to be a pattern with Kerry"

The "pattern" originates with the "news" media, who repeat what they are told by the Bush camp. They invent a caricature of Kerry, just like they invented a caricature of Dean.

Kerry needs to be quick on his feet with these guys, and he needs an equally quick VP nominee. But he ALSO needs people like us to be right there talking back to the media and holding them accountable for inaccuracies, bias, and distortions. Kerry and his campaign absolutely need untold numbers of people like us to be their eyes and ears, and using our voices to speak up loud and clear. If we can "DU" online polls, we can also be sure to write every outlet from CBS to CNN, and our local and national papers.

Hekate

[MoonRiver]

16. Go Kerry!!!

:kick: Repuke arse!! :bounce: