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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:27 PM Original message |
Open letter from Obama on equality for LGBT |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. And still no apology for McClurkin |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. I don't think a candidate |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. McClurkin MC'ed an event that Obama sponsored... |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. I have a question. Or two. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. answers... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. How dare you make these nasty accusations without any familiarity with the facts! |
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racaulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. Guess what? It's the primaries. Dems can AFFORD to take a one-issue stance. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:26 AM Response to Reply #23 |
110. Oh for crying out loud |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Quit being disingenuous about the matter |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. I'm willing to let McClurkin go but NOT willing to pretend it wasn't a huge mistake on Obama's part. |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I've only heard Obama talk about |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Listen, you do your cause no good by insulting people. |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. what "cause"? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. You are assuming all of us are Hillary supporters... |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. so what fucking "cause" |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Was I the one who accused you of a "cause"? No I was not... |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I give up |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. You aren't exactly good at this whole debate thing, you made an assertion... |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I'd rather not debate with ignorant |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I've actually said none of those things... |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. you called me a liar and I don't like it |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. OK then, maybe you were simply misinformed... |
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SoFlaJet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. sure |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. Ok, this is MUCH better. Where is this appearing? |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Yes, I found it searching Obama's website. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Well, if this is on Obama's website it means a lot to me. |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I found it under the People:LGBT section. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Ok, I'm very happy about this. |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
57. me too. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
81. Part of the "snip" |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Thank you for posting that snip. n/t |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. No problem, It is offensive to me. |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Why is it offensive that he will listen to all voices? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Rather than thinking in abstract terms, let's talk about what Obama's words mean. |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. While I agree with the great majority of your post |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #89 |
105. Is Obama listening to the racists? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #84 |
93. because bigots and homophobes are not an "unpopular minority" to be protected |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Every American has a right to be protected. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Why does he give a mic to Ex Gay Clowns, but not racists or anti-Semites? |
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IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #84 |
122. We have heard those voices before, the voices of those "who need to be convinced". |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #81 |
118. Well that's just dandy! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. It's a strong unequivocal message and I'm very glad to see it |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Don't you think that he needs to apologize for McClurkin? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. He's condemned what McClurkin said and what he stands for |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Did he treat McClurkin like he treated Farrakhan recently? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I'm not in any way treating you as if you're stupid and don't fucking |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Don't try to lecture ME, when in this thread all you've done is try to say: "Hillary did it too!" |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. I'm not trying to deflect jackshit, |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Then what's the point of bringing up Hillary at all? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. the point was that we all weigh issues individually |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I never said you were homophobic... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. You insinuated it |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Oooh, that is such a great loss, NOT! |
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IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
123. He should have had McClurkin removed from the event in about five seconds flat. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. Without an apology from McClurkin it is just more insincere pandering. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. that's absurd |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
8. Excellent! Good to hear it. |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. I'm really happy about his adoption position. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Living in Vermont |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. He lives in Texas. |
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ExtraGriz (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
24. more words!! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. so you speak for the entire GLBT community? |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
26. This is much better than that ad. |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. I hope he will, too. |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I'm still outraged over McClurkin. |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Let me just say to you and others outraged by this.... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
87. I appreciate that, and I believe you. |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. I would never dismiss someone over their feelings. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
32. I am not at all in favor of getting rid of DOMA yet - |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Well, hopefully you will be out-voted. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Well - I would certainly like for "gay marriage" not to be a wedge - but it is. eom |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Fair enough. Are there any other groups you are willing to throw under the bus? |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. What does that mean? |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. In other words, wait our turn. I think the right to participate in society like straight people |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Well - I have been waiting my turn a lot longer than you have. |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. I bet not a hell of a lot longer. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. I am totally against 'gay marriage' |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Actually I agree with you on all of that. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #61 |
76. and all the good guys who are not perfect guys get slammed |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. We would need to start with the Human Rights Campaign. |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. I completely agree with you. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #60 |
79. Oh fuck, not this bullshit again, I fucking hate people who perpetuate this fucking lie! |
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The Anti-Bush (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
51. You are wasting your time. This is a lost cause on DU. They would rather |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I hope that's not really true. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
71. What a fucking divisive lie |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. Deleted message |
avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
62. I hate to bump this bullshit that you had to find by digging through his website but: |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I'm sorry you feel that way. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Senator Sam Nunn and Colin Powell gave us DADT - |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. He was the President and signed it into law. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. You know good and well it was way more complicated then that - |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. But he signed it. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. How old were you when all that happened? |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. I'm going to be 32 years old this year. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #70 |
96. I beg to differ - no, DOMA was NOT necessary at the time. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Well - POPPYCOCK back at you. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Well, it has continued to be a successful wedge issue since those times. |
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soleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. If actions speak louder than words |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. That's the point: his actions ARE McClurkin's words |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
67. Very nice. |
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VenusRising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. When my blood pressure gets too high from reading here |
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sueragingroz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
86. too little... too late /nt |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Indeed. |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
94. Nice - I'm glad he posted this |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #94 |
98. This is from Matt Gonzalez in his Op Ed on Obama |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Obama is clearly weaker on LGBT issues than Hillary, but |
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KLee (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Thank you Politicub... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
103. Deleted message |
NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:42 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. We aren't the ones preaching hatred that causes harm and death to others |
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monomach (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:10 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. McClurkin doesn't preach hatred. He preaches intolerance. There's a difference. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:22 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. McClurkin preaches as much hate as any of them |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #109 |
119. But...but...but...that's still not hatred, dear. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:13 AM Response to Reply #108 |
111. We can't see the difference, remember? We're fucking crazy. |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:46 AM Response to Reply #108 |
114. O RLY, SAID THE OWL |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 05:43 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I have an even better picture for him |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #115 |
121. Right click. Save as. :P |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:13 AM Response to Reply #103 |
112. Actually, I'd be happy with an apology and a public appearance at a major LGBT event. |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:38 AM Response to Reply #103 |
113. You're the one bringing up cannibalism and scat |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #103 |
117. You go off on some crazed, insane tangent about cannibalism and defecation |
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RememberWellstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
104. right. |
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KLee (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
107. l |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
116. Obama won't apologize. It's bad politics. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
120. Why is homophobia to be treated differently than racism, antisemitism, and other bigotries? |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
124. Obama following Hillary's lead again...Feb 4 she penned an open letter to the GLBT |
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