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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:10 AM Original message |
All this talk of debates got me thinking back to the Presidential Debates of 2004... |
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FlyingSquirrel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. One thing's for sure... |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Yeah, the debates don't really determine the winner anymore |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Kerry made huge gains after the debates so they do matter |
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FlyingSquirrel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. The media giveth, and the media taketh away... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. They DO matter - had Kerry done poorly at ALL, corpmedia would've blistered him |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
13. No one since maybe JFK is close to Obama in the magic of his campaign, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:21 AM Response to Original message |
2. He opened us up to what could be |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. it was a turning point in people seeing that what the media had presented |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:22 AM Response to Original message |
3. Bush's handlers had so little faith in his ability to debate Kerry |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. yeah there is that one tape I saw where he is actually talking |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. If a Dem pulled a stunt like that they'd be run out of DC - period. |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Meanwhile Rove could have rigged up the chimp |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
10. John Kerry definitely grew on me during the debates |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Anyone watching those debates saw a vast gulf between Kerry and Bush, though. |
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MBS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. "national Stockholm syndrome".. perfect descriptor! Thanks n/t |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Kerry's mistakes were extremely minor compared to all of Bush's |
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MBS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
12. ... what you said |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
15. Kerry is personally the best debater I have ever heard |
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Steve-O (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. It was like the SNL Mike Dukakis skit "I can't believe I'm losing to this guy" |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
19. Kerry is a terrific debater |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. "It took me hearing him in person to realize just how good a speaker he is" |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
20. K&R |
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ray of light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
23. You're absolutely correct! Nothing compares to the hope in 04 that Kerry gave us. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Corpmedia will be seen as complicit soon - Rather's lawsuit will bring some of it |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
24. John Kerry WON. What he did with the victory - other stories. GE debates - stellar! |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
25. I agree wholeheartedly. I was watching the debates and thinking the same thing myself. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
26. I don't think John Kerry lost. |
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