Check in now if you're Absolutely fucking DONE with Barack Obama!

[jlake]

He continues to trash Hillary at every turn. Believing RW lies and manipulation as if it were gospel.
Attacking Hillary with NO PROOF over dubious charges.
This whole "I'm an innocent victim and Hillary is a mean, unhinged, vindictive woman" schtick is wearing a bit thin.
Obama: Grow a fucking spine. Hillary didn't do ANYTHING - and the horrible attacks you *think* you've suffered from Hillary are
.00000001% of what the M$M GOP Slime machine will spew out 24/7. And they won't step down when you complain.

Obama continues to side with the GOP. Trusting Drudge over Hillary....I see a pattern.
There doesn't appear to be any loyalty to the Democratic Party or traditional Democratic values from his campaign.
He knows he will be the weaker candidate in the GE, but his ego drives him to risk it all for his own glory.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4758327

[JVS]

1. Not me. I'm voting for him in November,

[jakem]

149. me too! twice!

[maseman]

397. Just voted for him in Ohio

[Kittycat]

192. So will I, but sadly - JLake plans on voting for McCain.

I'm counting the days for his tombstone to pop up.

[jlake]

229. Actually, I won't vote for McCain. I will write in Hillary or Biden.

I decided I can't go that far.

[Kittycat]

252. So you changed your mind within the day? But it doesn't matter. A write-in is still a vote for McC

You need to support the Dem nominee, if you dare call yourself a Dem. That's what is being stuffed down Obama supporters throats, so open up, and swallow. If you don't support the Dem nominee, then your vote won't cancel out a McCain vote - nor will it count. So after the GE, you have no right to bitch, moan or complain - regardless of the outcome.

[jlake]

264. Yes, I did change my mind - and no, a write in is not a vote for McCain.

Unless you hate American and don't want me to have the freedom to vote for whomever I wish.

And after the GE, I'll have a right to bitch *whatever* the outcome.

[Cary]

385. You will bitch more if we have four more years with a Republican president

I see no discernible difference between Clinton and Obama and none of us have a crystal ball. We will not know what we have until the new Democrat president takes his or her hand off the Bible and we will never know what we would have had if. . .

But we do have a pretty good idea what we will have with a Democrat, as opposed to a Republican. So you, sir, have no excuse.

[Sonnenschein]

322. Mrs. Obama said she would hesitate to support a Democratic

nominee Clinton.

[sallyseven]

355. Mrs. Obama is an ass, a perfect one.

She will end up hurting her husband in the long run. I don't care who she votes for. I turn her off all the time what a disingenuous piece of work she is. Her husband is the same way.

[bpeale]

360. well, i frankly don't care who anyone is voting for

i am writing in Edwards. i absolutely will not drink the koolaid you folks are imbibing.

i am an Edwards Democrat, and as such, I am voting for Edwards.

if that results in McCain getting elected, then so be it. the democratic party has abandoned its core and i, for one, will not reward them with a vote in lockstep. the democratic party can just get the fuck over itself.

[jlake]

480. At this point, I will not be voting for Mccain. Writing in Hillary or Biden.

[DesEtoiles]

270. me too!

[niceypoo]

304. Obama is doing what Bush did in 2000

Pretending to be above the fray while the media continues the Blanket party they started in the 90s, that they now do in his name. Hillary talks about policy and all Obama talks about is Hillary, but he gets a free pass on everything.

[beezlebum]

306. that's funny

because the last several times i saw hillary, she was either mocking barack obama and his supporters, or confronting him with a load of faux-outrage and shaming on him. it seems everytime i see her, her eyes are full of desperation and she makes some smug remark with regards to obama's "naivety" or "inexperience." :eyes: above the fray indeed.

[rAVES]

347. THose Hillbot goggles you got on make you sound like a crazy person...

You're seeing what you want to see... total RUBBISH.

[trueblue2007]

456. I'd vote for OBAMA...but only if I have to

I want to vote JOHN EDWARDS.

[MadBadger]

2. You mean like when Hillary sided with McCain on Public Financing and accused Obama of flip flopping?

That kind of siding with the GOP?

[blm]

155. Or - like Hillary siding with Bush and McCain's smear against Kerry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg


Like Bill's 3 week Defense of Bush on Iraq book tour he took in the summer of 2004.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Like Clinton loyalist Carville siding with Bush on election night.
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[Lost-in-FL]

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[DemBones DemBones]

130. Ageist, sexist comments are AMUSING to you?

I remember when DU was progressive.

[LSparkle]

5. Nope ... I'm kind of done with her, frankly

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. jlake, you never were with Obama to begin with.

:shrug:

[jlake]

15. Well, actually I was very early on. But now I don't think I can ever support him.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. I might have once believed you.

But now I don't think I can ever believe you.

[jlake]

27. Well.... unlike your false God, I'm not "asking you to believe"

and I really don't give a shit what you think or don't.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. Especially considering it's just a copycat thread.

I mean, who are you trying to kid?

[boppers]

237. "Especially considering it's just a copycat thread."

Threads you can Xerox?

[cd3dem]

147. "It’s All About Him" NY Times article

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25kristol.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

[Occam Bandage]

197. You mean, "It's All About Him," PNAC head Bill Kristol article.

[Laurab]

198. BILL KRISTOL - PNAC - quoted on DU???

Big man on PNAC, IRAQ War, Huge supporter of the current administration, and you're linking an article HE WROTE to bash Obama.

I think Obama would be proud to be bashed by Bill Kristol. Not so sure about Hillary, but damn - sometimes I think this IS FreeRepublic.

[cd3dem]

202. if he is the nominee, you better get used to it! not everyone who votes is a member here!

[Laurab]

230. Get used to WHAT? Bill Kristol is an ass.

To see someone link to an article by him on DU is mind boggling. He's also quite well known - not just "here". He's become a sad, pathetic creature, and he'll go off on Hillary, too, but no DEMOCRAT would care, and probably few repukes at this point.

Check out the Daily Show videos when Jon Stewart has him on, and tells him he's been wrong about everything he's said so far over the past 7 years, and tries to get a few more predictions so we know what else won't happen, or the interview with Stephen Colbert where Colbert made fun of him the whole time, and asked him how the PNAC was doing. He's a joke. A sad, pathetic repuke joke.

[jaybeat]

305. An ass who writes the GOP script

The one that worked in 2004, and in 2000, and...

Ignore his attacks on Obama at your own peril. You think Obama can handle the Repukes if he and his supporters are whining this much about Hillary? What are you going to do when you can't call McCain a "shrill bitch"? What are you going to do when they swift-boat Barack? When they run that picture of him wearing traditional Kenyan garb and call him a Muslim, and put his picture side by side with Osama bin Laden?

"He's a joke. A sad, pathetic repuke joke."

Remember Willie Horton? Dukakis in the tank? What they did to Dan Rather, for pointing out that GWB was a drunken draft-dodger?

I fear the joke is going to be on Obama, and his naive supporters.

[beezlebum]

310. oooooh, so what you're saying is

we should vote for the candidate kristol likes, so that, you know, barack doesn't get criticized, because barack obviously can not stand up for himself or defend his policies or record judging by how poor he's done this campaign season...and i guess too you're saying bill kristol won't attack clinton b/c she's immune? or maybe b/c she too is a pro-war hack?

"Obama is becoming the antiwar candidate, and Hillary Clinton is becoming the responsible Democrat who could become commander in chief in a post-9/11 world."- Bill Kristol

anyone with an ounce of critical thinking skills knows by now that kristol is an irrelevant hack. the only people who give him a hint of "respect" are neo-cons themselves. and even if i am wrong on that, do you really think it will make a difference who the dem nom is? he will attack anyone of our guys- that's his job, his calling, his reason for existence.

[jaybeat]

320. No, I'm saying Kristol writes the play-book

He's done it before. He'd write it against Hillary if she were the nominee.

But she's not. Ever wonder why that is? Since she's already withstood all the attacks, has already had all the dirt there is waved around in public? And, given that so many people (including, regrettably, so many Obama supporters) believe the lies, crap and sexist shit that have been said about her for 16 years, don't you think it is odd that they are our two choices? One with endless fodder for swift-boat attacks, and the other one who has already been swift-boated in the eyes of a good percentage of Americans?

"anyone with an ounce of critical thinking skills knows by now that kristol is an irrelevant hack"

Great. So 0.05% of likely voters will ignore him.

"the only people who give him a hint of "respect" are neo-cons themselves"

EXACTLY. So if you ignore him, you ignore how the corporate elites plan to attack and defeat him.

I guess we could just "Hope" instead...

[elmerdem]

339. and the OP

was making the point that Obama was siding with the GOP, how ironic!

[jaybeat]

454. Republican irony

Reach across the aisle, and I'll chop your arm off.

Compromise with me all day, and I'll still stab you in the back the first chance I get.

When you (think you) are in charge, I'll complain all day that you aren't "bi-partisan" and that you've shut us out.

When I'm (officially) in charge, don't bother to show up, 'cause it won't make a damn bit of difference.

I'll impeach yours over a blow job, and know that you won't impeach mine over the greatest government crimes our nation has ever known.

Your last President will forever be known as "scandal ridden" (something people on DU seem to constantly say about the Clintons these days), while mine will forever be known for "the war on terror" (we can always pull a false flag in case we need to do any "legacy building").

Reagan was a great President. Carter was a failure.

Any questions? Who cares. Now STFU.

[Laurab]

371. I don't think you need to fear that.

If it was Hillary on the other hand, you would need to be very, very fearful.

It is an insult to call Obama's supporters naive. Maybe some are, but the vast majority are not. I certainly am not.

I really do think you can rest easy - Obama has handled Hillary and her RW type attacks well, and will do the same with the actual GOP, especially the torn and tattered GOP of today.

[jaybeat]

453. These are the corporatists who OWN America

And they damn well aren't going to give it back without a fight. And the have all the money in the world to fight with.

If he were as much a threat to them as Hillary, she'd be winning now. Edwards, you'll notice, is no longer in the race.

They've got the one they want to run against, just like Nixon did in '72.

If you think the GOP won't attack Obama more than Hillary has (and I don't think she has--not true Repuke-style hate machine attacks, swift-boat style, Watergate style), then you're in for a shock. The Obama-Hussein-bin-Laden is a Muslim who hates America 'cause he doesn't wear a flag or put his hand on his heart and dressed up like a sheik crap will become so deafening, so overwhelming, that it will become *the* narrative and Obama will have to swim upstream against it for 8 months. And since all the crap will come from 527s (and from the MSM rerunning their ads over and over again for free), he won't be able to "fight back" with his own money...

The fascist-corporate takeover begun by Prescott Bush in the 1930's (only because it was undone by FDR) has reached its highest point to date under GWB. Corporate profits and wealth disparity are at record highs. If Obama is a threat, they are going to throw more at him then they have ever thrown at anyone, ever.

If he's NOT a threat, then we don't stand to gain a whole lot, now do we?

[Laurab]

457. Of COURSE the GOP will attack more than Hillary has.

But they would attack Hillary even more. Do you think they've been sleeping for the past 10 years? They've been waiting for the day she is nominated, and now it seems they're not going to get it.

I disagree that "they got the one they want to run against". I think the GOP you're talking about wanted Hillary. I think also that Hillary would get the GOP vote out like no one else. I believe the repuke party is crashing and burning, and won't be very effective this time around. They're not the party of 2000, or 2004.

I believe Obama is more of a threat to them than Hillary, because Hillary wouldn't win the General, and Obama, I believe, will. He also has a very fast response team, unlike Kerry in 2004, and a lot of REPUBLICANS like him, and dislike John McCain. It won't be a walk in the park, but I do think Obama can fight back very effectively, and WILL.

At this point, Hillary doesn't even need the GOP to lose the election for her - she's done a pretty good job of making sure of it all by herself. She was the GOP's DREAM candidate, but unfortunately, the voters chose otherwise.

[grantcart]

165. its just that your not very convincing

[HCE SuiGeneris]

267. Then you best get on your horse and saddle up with another party.

Your vitriol aimed at inciting hatred of our eventual nominee is really disgusting. I am done with witnessing your foolish rants.

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. Well I was never in his camp, so I guess I was done with him long ago.

[anigbrowl]

I am absolutely fucking DONE with Obama....

...haters!

[mmonk]

161. Here's where I can jump in.

Me too.

[cloudythescribbler]

308. nice one nt

[maddiejoan]

8. I'll probably wind up and vote for the dude.

But I'm "done" with him in any sense of "pride in his campaign" or in the Democratic Party if he's selected as our nom.

I really do need to think on it though.

As a New Yorker, I'll make a better statement writing in Dennis.

[aquart]

391. New York has write-ins?

On a lever machine?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

9. KOS response on Obama "african garb"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4757111&mesg_id=4763677

[emilyg]

10. I've been done with him for a long time.

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. Same here.

[cali]

11. nope. I support our nominee, Barack Obama

Hill is done. Wonder what her internal polling is saying about OH and TX. The only question is whether she stays in to get thumped or drops out before march 4.

[jlake]

20. He can't win the GE.... so it's rather a moot point.

I wanted to support him, but his gutter politics just make that impossible.

[JackORoses]

40. Obama will destroy McCain even worse than he decimated Hillary.

Obama has successfully crushed the biggest political machine in the business.

In the coming fight, McCain will be like an armless, one-legged Hillary. It will be a landslide.

[jlake]

51. Oh god. He has been helped by the MSM...... because they know how weak he will

be in the GE. Welcome President "48 state" McCain.

[JackORoses]

124. I pray you shed real tears the day Hillary concedes, you deserve it.

And I will laugh in your face when Obama takes the Presidential Oath.

[Kahuna]

193. That's the ONLY reason he's not on my ignore list.

:popcorn:

[jlake]

216. What kind words. Promote "unity" much?

[Name removed]

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[JoFerret]

451. How Barack of you

(not)

[rambler_american]

289. I can't wait

for the Obama/McCain debates. Should come with a warning for the first four rows of audience to wear protective clothing as you may get blood splashed on you.

[onetinsoldier]

443. mccain vs obama

obama will definitely be a better candidate against mccain than billary would be

[cali]

41. put down your fake-o crystal ball, dear.

and it's hilly's gutter politics that have blown up in her face. that's essentially why she lost.

[jlake]

53. No. It was Obama's gutter politics and acting skills that have cost

our party and country the best chance in years.

[cali]

65. oh nonsense. now shouldn't you run off to work for McCain?

That's what you said you were going to do. It's time to start. And to leave DU if that's your plan.

[jlake]

75. Hillary's in it to win it. I will stand by her and support her with every fiber of my being until

that is no longer possible.

[RaleighNCDUer]

93. In that case,

b'bye.

[jlake]

223. Goodbye to you! Goodbye to you!

[jgraz]

144. What a sad, empty, valueless slogan

"I'm in it to win". News flash: nobody cares.

[Hawkeye-X]

152. I'll see you next Tuesday...

with a hanky for you.

Hawkeye-X

[spiritual_gunfighter]

290. I hope

you are joking. Hillary's gutter politics has destroyed her campaign and nearly destroyed a unified Democratic party.

[damonm]

164. Cite REAL examples of his "gutter" politics, or I call BS

And also, your assertion that Obama can't win the GE is Fantasyland.

RealClearPolitics' head-to-head polls show Obama beating McCain, and Hillary LOSING to McCain.

Get over the hate. Get used to hearing "President Obama" starting 11 months from now.

[tridim]

356. You do understand that Barack isn't the blond lady, right?

And it's not opposite day last I checked. What are you talking about?

[closeupready]

13. I'm going with Obama, 100%

n/t

[skipos]

14. I have been done with him since he voted for the IWR

but his comparing Clinton's win in SC to Jesse Jackson really pissed me off. Him saying things like "I think, on balance, NAFTA has been good for New York and America" and then pretending to be outraged when Clinton calls him out on it... that was the hay the broke the camels back for me!

[jgraz]

49. Nice

:thumbsup:

[Laurab]

200. You got it! It's opposite day on DU I think.

At least for you and the OP, but only one of you understands that! :hi:

[cloudythescribbler]

309. If this is a clever way of noting that the OP is just sh^%&ing down the blame from HRC to Obama ---

you're spot on!

And this cultural meme is done so regularly and with such snarkiness. It's a real red-flag of someone's "family values"

[Faygo Kid]

16. I'm done with putting his stickers on our cars, but not with contributing.

Thanks for the reminder. Think I'll send him another contribution.

[grantcart]

166. me too took of the sticker and put on a big big sign

[NOLALady]

17. Not Me.

GeauxBama!

[NDambi]

18. Yeah, you bet! I'm F'n done with Obama..he can forget my vote..

Not! lol

[LynneSin]

407. I was about ready to kick your ass

You have the heart of a DU Lounger!

[jlake]

472. So you broke out of the lounge.....figures.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. stick a fork in me

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. Yeah, I am 'forked'!

:rofl:

[smalll]

21. "Present" /nt

[jlake]

22. LOL

[spiritual_gunfighter]

293. At this point

You are either Obama supporters or McCain supporters. How much have you donated to the McCain campaign?

[madmom]

369. mr bush is that you? with us or against us indeed!...I am not an Obama supporter but I will vote

for whoever the dem nominee is, but that kinda goes against your stereotype huh?

[Qanisqineq]

43. *snort*

:rofl:

That'll be my vote, too.

[Bluerthanblue]

23. I'm behind Obama 100%-

I hope with everything in me I don't have to cast a vote for Hillary this fall.

peace~

[RiverStone]

96. Me too - 100% for Obama

But Hillary would get my vote -yet I'm 99.99% sure she will not be on the ballot.

[bagimin]

207. I'm DONE with the next President of The United States of America

there...I feel much better.

[SteppingRazor]

25. I support the Democratic presidential nominee.

Nuff said.

[RBInMaine]

26. Oh BS !!

What planet are you on? What have you been smoking? SHE, BILL, and her surrogates have attacked Obama relentlessly. The latest outrages are her disgusting and silly saracasm show in Rhode Island which both insults religion and the millions of Obama supporters from across the spectrum, and someone in her camp smearing Obama with a photo of him in traditional Somali garb on a trip to that nation. How you can stomach the Clinton campaign right now is beyond me.

[Occam Bandage]

29. Nope. See ya after the convention.

[jlake]

31. No, you won't.

[Occam Bandage]

33. I know.

[jlake]

59. You'll be institutionalized after realizing the folly of your ways.

The realization that you have been hoodwinked on such a grand scale will cause a mental break...

[Occam Bandage]

61. Nah. We cultists don't break that easy. We have our delicious kool-aid.

[jlake]

66. The koolaid won't be produced anymore after the deafening loss to McCain.

...or maybe one last batch.

[grantcart]

168. I didn't get on this thread because of the title

I didn't realize it was going to be so uplifting and positive for Obama

[Auntie Bush]

179. I hope you don't forget to drink it. Have another one on me.

:beer: an another :beer:

[AngryOldDem]

30. Huh? What?

Have I missed something? I'm in Ohio, and if I have to watch another minute of the footage of her foaming at the mouth over the Obama mailers, I'm gonna :puke:

Yep... it's gotten personal, but from where I sit, it ain't all coming from Obama.

(And I will gladly cast my vote for him next Tuesday, as well as in November.)

[jlake]

36. Well, you've fallen for the MSM set up hook line and sinker....good on ya.

[Enthusiast]

302. I'm from Ohio and I agree with you! nt

[Windy]

32. You have got to be fucking kidding me! What flavor of Kool Aid are you drinking?

Her conduct over the last few days has been deplorable and she is a disgrace to our party.

She will be lucky to have anyone cast a vote for her if she continues in the manner that she has for the last few days. (with the exception of the blindly loyal HRC supporters)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

35. i am pretty done wiht his supporters.

[Tom Rinaldo]

37. I will vote for him as our nominee. I will work to get him elected also

This isn't about personalities or who I most like or trust. It is about raw power. I believe my interests and the interests of most Americans will be better served under a Democratic Administration - virtually ANY Democrtaic Administration, than under a Republican one. My self interests and that of the world will better be served by a President Obama (or President Clinton) than it would be by a President McCain. In fact there is a way in which I take some bitter comfort in seeing that Obama is capable of fighting hard against an opponent as well as promoting himself - that is a concern of mine regarding a Presidential Election that will be fought much more with negative tactics than has been this primary.

In the meantime however, while this nomination remains in doubt, I will give Obama NO slack. I will not refrain from pointing out the ways in which his campaign unfairly attacks while claiming to be the victim

[CoffeeCat]

38. Then... who was that mocking Obama...

...and his supporters this weekend with that "...heavens will open up..." diatribe---a giant bee in a blond wig?

[jlake]

45. She was speaking the truth.

What I want from a leader is someone who will tell me the truth - even if it isn't ugly.
I don't want a nanny/preacher telling me about rainbows and hope and unicorns.... I am an adult.

[CoffeeCat]

64. LOL!

Yeah, eat up the rotten dish of lies that Hillary serves up!

That's exactly what happens at an Obama rally!

Unicorns and rainbows! :rofl:

You slay me!

Hillary Clinton knew she had to tear down Obama any way she could. Now,
she's got her supporters upset that people have "hope", and she's convinced
them that his rallies are mythical, pastel adventures from the land of "unicorns"
and "rainbows."

Silly me! I was voting for him because of his stand on Habeas Corpus and his
background as a Constitutional Scholar. Wow, I was so preoccupied with his
promise to end illegal wiretaps and his commitment to closing Guantanamo...that I missed
the kitties in tiaras and all of that glitter!

Damn! :rofl:

[miceelf]

140. but...but...

I didn't get a pony!!!

Jeez. This is dumb. When Obama attacks hillary, it's shameful and awful and just the worst thing in the world. When she attacks him, well, she's just telling the ugly truth.

Wow.

[Tellurian]

286. I was at Hillary's Rally Sunday..

She was absolutely terrific. She brought the house down with her messianic analogy of the man who will be carrying the mantle of the Cheney White House for the next four years, IF he gets the nomination.

[Enthusiast]

303. Well,

You are going to be an adult with a losing candidate. Get used to it.

[NeedleCast]

350. If it looks like a Banana

and acts like Banana then it's Bananas.

Gobama!

[Blue_In_AK]

39. I don't support either one

and their partisans here and making me crazy. I so much miss Edwards/Biden/Richardson/Dodd/Kucinich/Gravel.

[jgraz]

42. NIce of y'all to provide Skinner with a convenient tombstone list

By all means, keep checking in! We'll miss ya.

Well, not really.

[jlake]

48. Then this place will be pretty empty if he uses the anti Hillary list I provided in my OP

[jgraz]

50. Hillary won't be our nominee. Get used to it.

[jlake]

55. I have a feeling Obama won't either.

[jgraz]

60. There's that keen political insight we've come to expect from the Hillary camp

:eyes:

[Occam Bandage]

62. Either? Apparently we're gonna nominate...Huckabee?

[jlake]

69. Well, he appears to be to the left of Obama on healthcare.

[Occam Bandage]

72. Then he's to the left of Hillary. The only difference between O and H are her pack of

unenforceable mandates for purchase of for-profit private insurance.

[jlake]

82. That is absolutely not true and you *should* know it.

[Occam Bandage]

85. Oh, really? This should be interesting.

[cloudythescribbler]

313. What R the OTHER MAJOR differences in their health plans than HRC's mandate for adults to buy ...

health insurance, now that we are confident it has been made 'affordable'?

Please explain AN ISSUE -- I'm waiting w/baited breath

[Faygo Kid]

63. What do you mean by that comment?

When you say, "either," you acknowledge that Hillary at least MAY not be. I'm being careful not to put words in your mouth, but "you have a feeling Obama won't either."

What the hell is the implication of your post? If it's not Hillary, why won't it be Obama? Don't like where this is headed, but you tell me.

[jlake]

73. If it goes to a deadlocked convention there may be a compromise candidate.

If Hillary wants to stay in, she could probably force that.
That is what I mean. Put the tin foil away until the GE.

[Occam Bandage]

74. So your best bet is that neither of them will get it? Yes, that seems likely.

:eyes:

[Faygo Kid]

110. Who's wearing the tin foil now? It won't be deadlocked.

It will be over March 5.

[jlake]

113. I don't think so. Hillary is in it to win it.

[Occam Bandage]

122. So's Huckabee.

[cloudythescribbler]

314. Even if it isn't over March 5, I don't expect a deadlock either ... nt

[YOY]

438. That is officiallly the stupidest thing I've heard all year

It will be one of the two. Unless something bad happens to them. Pray it does not.

[cali]

you have terrible instincts. nothing could be clearer than that.

he's our nominee all right.

[jlake]

81. Ha! You're so confident you shouldn't even worry about it anymore.... go

start planning for the GE.

[Occam Bandage]

83. We are, but it would be helpful if Sen. Clinton would stop assisting Sen. McCain.

[cali]

118. I'm not I don't care what Hilly says or does. She's the past.

and yeah, I'm starting to think about the general.

[cloudythescribbler]

315. Hey == jlake, CLEAN UP, man! Bet against Obama on InTrade for SERIOUS BUCKS then!!!!! nt

[madrchsod]

44. i`m voting for who ever wins

since i voted for dennis i`m just waiting for the rest of the states to decide who`s going to be nominated.

[Nailzberg]

46. I'm done with Clinton and her tactics.

[jlake]

57. Yeah, okay....

[DemzRock]

47. You know I will vote Dem over McCain any day.., but...

I'm really surprised at the naivety of so many Obama supporters. They must be young or new to paying attention to politics. And I'm surprised at how few seem to remember how great the economy was in the 90s. Up up and away. That is the major reason I have been supporting Team Clinton! I don't trust Obama to tackle it as well as Hillary frankly. And that means less money in your pocket, dudes. But, hey, he gives a good speech!

[SammyWinstonJack]

67. I don't think I can vote for Obama. I really don't. I don't trust him and his supporters turn me

off big time! I will vote in the GE for down ticket candidates since I think that is of the utmost importance. We need a strong Democratic majority in the House and Senate, no matter who is elected President.

[RaleighNCDUer]

105. So right.

We all know that Bill invented the Pentium processor.

[PBS Poll-435]

210. If Bill invented the Pentium processor, then...

GWB*** definately invented the Pentium 4 (Netburst.)

[GoneOffShore]

448. Yeah the economy was great BUT

Apparently presidents don't have a lot to do with it.

And Bill signed some of the most corporate friendly legislation known to mankind - The DMCA, Welfare Reform, NAFTA, etc. He wasn't a great president and I see Hils in the same light. In fact, after seeing some of the stuff she's done recently I see her doing a lot worse. Her nose is way too far in the corporate trough.

[Bake]

52. I **may** vote for him in the GE if he's the nominee

But I definitely won't contribute. Won't work for him. Won't be excited.

Bake

[TwilightGardener]

54. Nope. He's my man.

[liberalnurse]

56. Perfectly Stated

Most encouraging post in 3 months. Accurate assessment for the activists who follow the political rollercoaster with a keen eye.

Excellent. I salute you!

[Hawkeye-X]

154. LN - will you need 100,000 hankies when Hillary concedes next week?

I'll be glad to give you a stock of Kleenex.

[LittleClarkie]

58. Copycat, and as if you were not "done" with him before this.

Would be more interesting coming from someone without a Hillary avatar.

Otherwise sometimes I suspect passive agressive behavior. On both sides, to be fair. Attack, and then play the victim. Bullshit.

[jlake]

77. Well, since I have the link to the original post it wasn't too hard to figure out this was

a copycat.

But the point isn't that I prefer Hillary, it is that I cannot stand Obama and will never support him in any capacity.

[Freida5]

68. done

[BenDavid]

70. People are saying that if Obama is the nominee that the Clinton

supporters will without question at least a majority of 46% vote for Obama,(doubt it) while saying that Obama supporters might not support Clinton.(this I believe) As a Clinton supporter I'm having a hard time warming up to Obama. Many of us really like Hillary and Bill Clinton and we want to go back to the days of peace and prosperity and real solutions to real problems.

So when Obama surrogate call Bill Clinton a racist, we resent it. When Obama says that Hillary is in the pocket of the lobbyists, we resent it. When we hear Obama surrogates talking about the Clintons the way the Republicans talk about the Clintons, we really resent it.

Those of us who actually and factually know Hillary is the better qualified candidate will probably not vote McCain, it CANNOT be assumed that we are going to support Obama.

Many of us are very deeply offended and I'm trying to like Obama and it's just not happening. I would warn Obama supporters that being anti-Clinton might result in a Republican president.

[jgraz]

89. You white devil, you.

[Hawkeye-X]

156. Uh-huh, and I remember when you supported Lieberman

through thick and thin, refusing to support for Lamont....

Hawkeye-X

[grantcart]

169. I would be curious then in your opinion of the following thread

whose source is a clear antisemite. Apparently the poster knew this but felt that it was ok to use an antisemite as a source of material to slander Obama because she did not actually quote the anti-semitic part.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4736362

fyi I contacted 8 major clinton supporters and not one clinton supporter would speak out against it.

[CyberPieHole]

71. I was done with Obama when he pandered to the religious bigots like McClurkin...

I'm done with the cretin known as Obama.

:kick: and rec

[RiverStone]

94. What are you gonna do when he wins the nomination?

Since you will be aiding the war mongering puke bastards by not voting, are you still gonna diss him on DU?

How does this shit help us win the GE?

I know you will be bummed, but you do still want the Dem nominee to win right?

[CyberPieHole]

99. I'll be voting for Hillary Clinton when she runs against McCain...

what are YOU going to do when SHE wins the nomination? I hope you will be voting for her.

[RiverStone]

127. Of course - I have said many times I would vote...

...for Hillary if she is the nominee. But I'm 99.99% sure she will not be the nominee. We can agree to disagree on that for now.

And you, will you vote for Obama?

[cloudythescribbler]

316. Another poster who should put their money where there mouth is AND BET BIGTIME ON InTrade!!!! nt

[More Than A Feeling]

76. I'm very excited to see what Obama can do in the general election

if he becomes our nominee. He could give us a landslide, or he might flame out spectacularly. We don't know, and that makes it interesting. With Hillary, I feel like I already know exactly what I'm getting...the Kerry/Gore strategy of the blue states+1. The same strategy she used to such somnolent effect in this primary. That hasn't excited/inspired anyone or led to a Democrat in the white house since Bill Clinton.

[jlake]

78. 48 state landslide

...for McCain.

[jgraz]

84. And you'll be working for that, right?

After all, you've gotta get "your girl" an opening for 2012.

[jlake]

92. Hillary won't run again. She won't give her life to a people who are so vile and hateful towards her

[jgraz]

106. Good, she can take her marbles and go home

What's left of them...

[jlake]

475. Please don't be a vile hater.

[Hawkeye-X]

159. Good! She'll go back being a lobbyist for WalMart, Blackwater...

etc... and you'll be eating your own words...

[jlake]

215. Please don't show such utter disrespect for the one of our greatest Democrats.

[nvme]

334. she is one of the greatest opportunistic infections of our time

get open senate seat.check. establish hawkish stance with IWR. Check. Support the troops support the troops don't question the war. check. Do some fluff legislation. Check. No talk of presidential run during re-election. Check. secure dem seat in senate. check. announce bid. check. jump on surge band wagon with kyle/lieberman. check. jump on anti-war bandwagon. check. concentrate on the blue + 1 strategy. check. take Iowa.(OOPs). show human emotions (work a tear.)check. I feel bad for the New Yorkers who sent so much money to re-elect her then to watch their state be used as another stepping stone.

[GoneOffShore]

449. ....

:eyes:

[lse7581011]

307. Let Us Hope Not! n/t

[cloudythescribbler]

317. I am NOT a Hillary supporter but I think this comment underestimates her ...

[madmom]

375. Why is it that Obama supporters think if you're not supporting Obama you're automatically

supporting mccain? This is the george bush mentality of "you're either with us or against us" at work again. I don't support Obama, but I will vote for the dem candidate, isn't that enough for you? I don't support mccain either!

[endarkenment]

435. "absolutely fucking done"

the OP's use of that phrase leaves little wiggle room. Did he mean "absolutely fucking done until after the convention nominates him"? Doesn't seem that way to me. I could be wrong.

[madmom]

444. it's not just this poster, I've seen it said about others also.

[endarkenment]

446. Oh well I wouldn't know about 'other posters'

This poster has actually made it explicit that he will not vote for Obama in November. I find that pathetic.

[madmom]

450. If Obama is the nominee, I also find it repulsive.

edited for spelling

[More Than A Feeling]

87. Doubt it.

McCain isn't Reagan (nor is Obama Mondale), and the Party machinery isn't likely to turn on him the way it did on McGovern. But we shall see. I'm excited.

[Occam Bandage]

90. Just like Clinton's 19-out-of-21-state landslide on Super Tuesday, right?

[jlake]

95. If it was winner take all as is the GE, she would have won.

[Occam Bandage]

97. If it was winner-take-all as in the GE, Obama still leads in delegates and votes.

[jlake]

109. Hmm... I get 238 for Hillary & 198 for Obama.

[Occam Bandage]

121. Now take out FL and MI.

[The_Counsel]

141. ...and Also Consider It Takes 270 EV's To Win. (n/t)

.

[DemBones DemBones]

132. Sounds right to me. He can probably

win Illinois and Hawaii, the state he represents and the one he was born in.

[Hawkeye-X]

160. You forgot about 46 other states.

Just about all of them except maybe Idaho and Wyoming.

[jlake]

238. Ah yes, Obama can win AL for sure!

[Hawkeye-X]

158. Try the opposite way around....

48 state landslide for Obama.

[anonymous171]

79. Another wonderful thread from the resident Hillary ultra-partisan.

[jlake]

88. Ah yes, that is me.....or am I just a true Democrat who cares about our core values and the

alternative candidate is a snake oil salesman?

[anonymous171]

100. Nope

You are an extreme partisan. To you, everything Hillary does is good while everything Obama does is bad, even if they are the same.

[Hawkeye-X]

163. Then you are NOT a true democrat.

A true democrat would not go right-wing as your woman, Miss DLC, would be.

A true democrat would not attack and slime another Democrat.

A true democrat .... ahh to hell with it, you'll never get it..

Hawkeye-X

[billyoc]

80. What happened, did more super delegates switch from Clinton to Obama today?

Or did more Democratic leaders urge her to drop out?

[RiverStone]

86. You just can't help yourself stop eh?

What are you gonna do when he is the nominee?

[jlake]

91. I won't be posting here - so you can have a big circle jerk with your Obamabuddies.

[RiverStone]

102. Happy trails.

:hi:

[intaglio]

107. Oh please, just go now!

You add nothing to any arguement, you twist and distort - I have come to believe that you are an agent provocateur

[jlake]

116. Yes, but we know your belief system is whack.

[intaglio]

133. Oh that smarts like ...

... getting kicked by a cricket.

Didn't you get the e-mail? the cult thing is just like so last week!

Come on you can do better than that! You have the example of some of the finest slur merchants in the world in Mark Penn's little crew. What about, "hey, you French or something?" or "I'll tell on you to Homeland Security, how do you like them apples, Mr Commie?"

:silly: :dunce:

[grantcart]

170. Well I will miss you because threads like this really bring out

strong support for Obama. I wasn't going to open the thread because of the flame-bait title (and I didn't bother with the one with Clinton either). But reading all of the Obama folks checking in has made me fired up and ready to win on Mar 4. Thank you.

[greguganus]

287. Please stay!

We need a pivot man for our circle jerk.

[RandomKoolzip]

98. Dude, you GOTTA get a new hobby. You're just not very good at this one.

I dunno...maybe you should take up raising hybrid beetles. Or play darts. Something, ANYTHING other than flinging your dung all over DU.

[buff2]

101. He is evil and cruel.......but portrays himself as if he is all pure

Boy if he gets the nomination the repukes are already gearing up against him. The scandals will be coming swift and brutal. NO WAY will they condone a black as President. No freaking way.They were just talking about how the repukes are getting ready for him on MSNBC. It will be worse than any Hillary scandal by far.

[NorthernSpy]

123. gawd, where do you people get this stuff?

:wtf:

[Emit]

357. One can apply no reason or logic

:wtf: is right

[Emit]

174. Obama is evil and cruel? Where did you get that from?

In what way?

[goldcanyonaz]

177. Considering how evil and cruel many of his supporters are, this isn't such a stretch.

[Emit]

185. Oh, please.

That's just silly

[cloudythescribbler]

318. By that standard, you could condemn HRC too, and for that matter, FDR! nt

[Bluenorthwest]

103. My question is:

Am I or am I not done with the Democratic Party? To vote for Obama in Nov, as I am sure I will this one last time for the Party, to do that will drain my very last bit of compromise. That will be all I have. After Nov I make no promises and will only vote for actual Progressives. No more DINOs no more craven panderers to Fundy extremists. Just no more.

[NorthernSpy]

104. Sorry, but no. Obama has my vote.

GObama!

:bounce:

[lumpy]

108. I was hoping for Biden. I think he was the best bet ,but, as it is,

since I am a dedicated Democrat, I will vote for the Democratic nominee. The ugly candidate bashing that goes on in this forum is simply abysmal and very counter-productive. Makes me wonder if there is any party loyalty left or if there was any to begin with some of the posters. Discouraging.

[jlake]

112. With Biden we may have had a chance at a 50 state sweep.

I firmly believe that.

I just can't bring myself to support Obama.

[backscatter712]

111. Why do you post threads like this...

when you know that you're not going to like the answers you get?

[jlake]

115. There are quite a few posters who agree with me.... it kinda disproves

Obama's claims that he'll be able to get all of Hillary's supporters.

....just another Obamalie.

[cloudythescribbler]

321. I never doubted DU was SWARMING w/ObamaBashers -- but I don't see that in the society as a whole ..

There are very strong partisans on both sides, including some "mean and evil" ones, but it seems obvious to me (an admittedly partisan observer) that there are MANY more ObamaBashers (eg creating and sustaining HUGE long threads by the multitude about McClurkin -- unreflected in the world of GLBT politics generally in anything like that proportion) than people viciously trying to trash HRC. This was true BEFORE Obama started really soaring (late Oct/early Nov) and now that he is indeed the odds-on favorite for the nomination. (Now, some of the worst ObamaBashers have been tombstoned, tho it appears some might be coming back w/new nics). And at least a few of the leading ObamaBashers have toned it down, but not so much that the ObamaBashing is not greater than the similar trashing of HRC, even now.

[BlackVelvet04]

114. I've been done for a long time.............n/t

[cottonseed]

117. Hillary just peed in the pool.

I'm sorry jlake, but a lot of your hatred is spawn from Hillary's own decision to stay in this thing. After looking at today's polling, it is in fact OVER for her. I have absolutely no idea why she's still in this race. The poo she's slinging is getting on everyone now, and frankly it's just a big mess. If I were Obama or any Democrat for that matter, I'd just want to end this thing now. She's basically peed in the pool, and I can't blame anyone for wanting to get the hell out of it.

[MoonRiver]

119. I'm done. The more I see the less I like him.

He and his minions are in for a very rough ride should he get the nom. I plan to help him NOT ONE BIT. He can just stew in his pot.

[buff2]

120. I'm not done with him

I never was FOR HIM in the first place! I would NEVER vote for him,I can see through him. A chicken in every pot and apple pie for dessert.He's promising to SAVE THE WORLD.......LOL! (I thought superman was dead) :rofl:

[krabigirl]

125. I'll hold my nose and vote for him in November, so no, I'm not done with him.

[hell-bent]

126. Is he a demagogue?

Yes! And his followers give me the creeps....:scared:

[Cant trust em]

128. "they won't step down when you complain."

Right. Just like the whole "Shame on you, Barack Obama" BS. Obama is hardly the only one complaining about tactics used against them. If our candidates didn't bring attention to this stuff then that would be pretty sad.

[BobbyVan]

129. Hear hear. "The Audacity of Sanctimony"

[DemBones DemBones]

134. "The Audacity of HYPE" -- saw that on a bumper sticker.

:kick:

[DemBones DemBones]

131. You nailed the problem.

"Obama continues to side with the GOP. Trusting Drudge over Hillary....I see a pattern."

"There doesn't appear to be any loyalty to the Democratic Party or traditional Democratic values from his campaign."

"He knows he will be the weaker candidate in the GE, but his ego drives him to risk it all for his own glory."


He and his supporters seem determined to destroy Clinton even if that also destroys the Party. It is rare to see a post from an Obama supporter that isn't divisive. This is Hope and Unity???

No, this is ANARCHY.

[Mooney]

135. You have an "anarchy" avatar n/t

[DemBones DemBones]

235. Yes, I do and that was explained

by what I said in my post:

"He and his supporters seem determined to destroy Clinton even if that also destroys the Party. It is rare to see a post from an Obama supporter that isn't divisive. This is Hope and Unity???"

"No, this is ANARCHY."

[Mooney]

364. Exactly

I'm just noting that even though you seem to be decrying anarchy, you nonetheless have an anarchy avatar.

Unless there's some level of sarcasm that I'm missing?

[Az_lefty]

136. oh shoot, where's the "I'm fucking done with Hillary" thread...

[frog92969]

268. Here's one of many-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4768200

[southern_dem]

137. I don't know if her

campaign put that out or not. At this point, I don't care either. I will vote for whoever we nominate because whatever our differences are, another 4 years of Bush/McCain is far more important and dangerous to this country. Take whatever time you need and then get over it for November. I will be saying the same thing to myself if Senator Clinton is the nominee...

[DemGa]

138. Done -- completely; and furthermore...

Barack Obama used the "polarization" sown by years of right-wing attacks on the Clintons -- AGAINST Hillary.

That's Treachery friends -- Obama is a wolf in sheep's clothing

[dicknbush]

143. Exactly true! Every lie that has been told by the righties has been in the background noise of the :

OF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN...HE COULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THIS FAR WITHOUT THE HATRED OF THE CLINTONS BEING UNTILIZED AT EVRY TURN IN FACT I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THEY PUT THAT PICTURE OF HIM IN THE TURBAN OUT SO THEY COULD MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN DID IT....THEN THEY CAN CRY FOUL!

[goclark]

139. I support Obama all the way ~

[dicknbush]

142. I will vote but not for president if the dem choice Obama....can't vote for him

[Blue-Jay]

145. Poor widdle you.

[jlake]

218. Yes, that is Obama's gameplan.

[zulchzulu]

146. Look at the little whiner who can't face he backs a loser

Just how many dead American soldiers will war enablers like you be satisfied with?

Your Goldwater Girl is out of ammo, out of money and obviously running out of time.

I think it is FUNNY AS HELL!

:rofl:

[jlake]

220. Because Winning is everything! If I wanted to back a winner for the sake of backing a winner

I would support Bush.
The bandwagon usually heads to a bad place.

[Maddy McCall]

148. I was done when he started using sexism as a tool against Hillary.

[Blue-Jay]

151. Did I tell you that you could post?

:P

[Maddy McCall]

153. Go clean your room!

Now. And fix me a sammich.

:hi:

[rndmprsn]

150. i'm voting for obama...so nahhhhh!

go away sillyland clinton shills...YOU are the minority in here, if you don't like it, kiss my ass.

[joeprogressive]

157. I am absolutely done with HRC supporters who say they won't

support Obama in the GE. When he gets the nomination, all of you can high tail it on out of here forever.

[Beausoir]

162. I was done when he hired a gay bashing clown to pander for votes.

If the guy doesn't believe in basic rights for ALL people, he's automatically written off.

Not one penny and not one minute of my support.

[jlake]

214. Agreed. I was holding out hope he would redeem himself enough that I could

hold my nose for him in November..... no such luck.

[Muzza]

248. EXACTLY!! Would be like Hillary bringing in someone from the KKK to score votes! Please!

[MrMickeysMom]

167. It never began with Obama... It ends with my support of HRC

... I just got through admitting this a few days ago that I'd now support Hillary. I was a die hard Kucinich supporter.

Point: She will win over the Republican machine. He will not. Sorry, if you don't agree. Think about it some more if you do think at all. Enough of the fighting.

There is no counter point to who stands to loose here. Substance to his policy is missing, lack of substance to his ability as a game day coach is REAL, regardless of how he has "energized" along with Oprah and Caroline the people who have been UNINTERESTED UNTIL NOW. They hold signs on cue, they bring up Teddy on cue... The campaign is as predictable as the run up to the war in Iraq. It has ALL THE HALLMARKS of it.

What are these same individuals prepared to do, once an alleged Obama winner is "in". I am very willing to acknowledge that a true leader will need to LEAD. He's very inspiring, and a good vice president, who I would say should join an HRC ticket, but he has NOT SAID ANYTHING.

Furthermore, I see John Kerry is very willing to explain to groups of folks in Texas and wherever else he roams, just how Obama stands on the issues. This is John Kerry, folks. the same John Kerry who SEVERELY disappointed me us his inability to stand up to this last theft in the WH.

[grantcart]

171. Exactly how is she going to win over the Republican Machine

if he is such a poor campaigner and she can't beat him?

[MrMickeysMom]

173. Because there are far more Democrats who will go to the polls, and far too many

Republicans to trust McCain with the presidency.

Republicans, on the whole (you won't hear me say often) have common sense, when it comes to a surviving democracy. We are Americans first, yes?

YES.

[grantcart]

176. It is an obvious absurdity

She cannot beat Obama but she will be able to defeat the Republicans

Obama is a terrible campaigner having trounced her in 11 straight up contests but she will out perform him in the general eventhough he is out polling her amongst independents and republicans.

Every single GE poll shows him out polling Hillary against McCain.

But if this is what it takes for you to get thru next Tuesday go with it. It ends on Tuesday. Texas will count.

By the way the party has bent over backwards to let her back in the race even though she started with all of the advantages and has a consistent slide down.

[MrMickeysMom]

184. I'll remember our conversation, grantcart...

... and if you're right, I'm fine with it.

I wasn't born yesterday, however, and I understand what has gone into the mix of what call a trouncing in this "race". It's a media pumped, new rules applied, caucusing extravaganza of primaries, and we haven't run these primaries the same way, have we? We've never had the star chamber filled bunch of celebrities, and comparisons of Michelle Obama to Jackie Kennedy, nor have we had the unbelievable cheerleaders for Obama that came out of "needing hope" while both negatively campaigned. It's real fucked up, and I don't feel it's been a race so much as a high colonic.

That makes it rather difficult to point to the better man or woman.

[grantcart]

203. No candidate in the 20th century was able to enter the campaign

with more political assets in their pocket. She carried the brand of the best organized political machine in the post war democratic party. For 40 years the Clinton's have been collecting every business card ever given them and enrolling them in the FOB (Friends of Bill).

The irony is that they tried to package Hillary and never found a message. If they had fired all of their consultants and experts and simply ran Hillary as an approachable person she would have been the nominee. There is one intelligent thing that GWB said about running as the relative of a president "you have all of their enemies and half of their friends", and they never made a real effort to reduce the former or increase the latter. At the start of this Barack didn't have a chance he was running against 6 strong Democratic candidates. He didn't even have a majority of the Black vote. He didn't have millions left over from his Senate campaign like she did.

You can find the reason for his success back in being a community organizer.http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-1993/Vote-of-Confidence/ It turns out spending years working and talking with ordinary people and seeing how they deal with their problems is a much better training ground than spending times with elites, lobbyists and position papers. Like Kennedy, no his pre politician life is a lot more similar to Lincolns. He has the finely tuned political ear that Bill used to have.

But if it helps you come to grips to seeing your candidate losing by blaming the fact that he had an overwhelming response from famous people as well as ordinary folk, and somehow this is a bad or unfair thing then you go with that. Be diffident, patronizing and dismissive as history passes you by. It really does read however is that you are trying harder to convince yourself than you are trying to convince someone else.

Make a date to meet up with you on March 5th. Good luck.

[cloudythescribbler]

324. I like GrantCart's analysis here -- tho I am less solidly confident (just hopeful) about the future

[frog92969]

272. You went from

Kucinich to CLINTON ?...dude

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

172. Well that's nice.

[LadyVT]

175. Oh, yeah. Disgusting, dirty politics.

[demo dutch]

178. Say hello to 4yrs of McCain if it's Obama!

[babsbunny]

180. Everyone is trashing Hillary! Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller

They'd better be careful, many people will vote for the underdog!

[Riley133]

183. I'll never listen to Big Eddie again - his behavior was despicable. nt

[JimGinPA]

181. Check In March 5th And Let Us Know Which Of The Two Remaining Candidates You Support...

Obama or McCain


:hi:

[jlake]

219. I'll tell you now that I won't support Obama. Probably not McCain either though.

[cloudythescribbler]

325. Only PROBABLY ???????????????

I mean John 'Let's stay in Iraq till the cows come home' McCain isn't exactly a particularly tempting GOPer to the vast majority of Democrats (and hopefully, of Americans) who want out of this travesty the Bush Administration & its enablers have led us into.

"GET REAL AND GET OUT!" -- I think that will PROBBABLY win in November.

[AZBlue]

182. You have GOT to be joking!

Everything you stated is wrong and most of it can be attributed to Clinton, not Obama. Wow...have another beer, there, huh?

[angie_love]

186. B/c I'm a real democrat I'll support the democratic nominee

I am not a child and an immature ass. I understand the great importantance of having a democrat in the white house, I have hardcore liberal beliefs that cannot be shaken just b/c my candidate didn't win. You know what FUCK OFF, if you can't support our nominee, then PEACE OUT LOSER. You'll be kicked out soon enough. This is politics, its not pretty, deal with it or let it go. Stop acting like a fucking brat. You already said you were never going to vote for Obama in the GE so this is not fucking surprising.

[OzarkDem]

187. He continues to disappoint

He's been very dishonest discussing his stand on important issues. His campaign has mastered the art of GoP style projection.

[jlake]

226. Yes. I just can't believe so many are falling for it.

[cui bono]

188. Oh please....

:eyes:

:puke:

[Justice Is Comin]

189. I'm checked and I'm in.

I'll sleep late November 7th if he's my choice.

If I do get up before the polls close, I'll be tossing the coin between nobody or Nader.

[Megahurtz]

190. NOT.

[jlake]

245. WOW.

[kikiek]

191. He is working his audience like a puppeteer

[Name removed]

194. Deleted message

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[bajamary]

195. Done with BO here in Chicago

Yikes, the Second Coming is really getting thick and way overdone with Mr. BO.

I've never seen any true substantive progressive policy that BO continued to support. Alas, he's a flip flopper, like so many pols.

I'd love to hear his explanation as to why he asked his currently jail central fundraiser, Tony Resko, to tour the Hyde Park mansion BEFORE he and Michele and the Reskos made a deal that resulted in a major price reduction on this mansion for BO.

What the heck is that all about?

Furthermore, I live in Chicago and I know his spin miesters are all old machine pols. How many DUers know that Obama is really backed by the Daley/Democratic Chicago bosses?

What kind of "change" is that, my dear Americans?

Only certain kinds of truth are a core value with Mr. BO. Only certain kind.

[jlake]

227. Exactly. This should be an OP

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[lojasmo]

196. Looking forward to eight days from now.

When Clinton concedes after losing Tx and Oh.

I'd still vote for her, if she were the nominee.....I guess we now know who REAL democrats support.

[jlake]

233. Yes, you all are cruel like that.

[lojasmo]

299. Boo hoo....go vote for a republican.

Pretty obvious who the REAL democrats support.

[Freida5]

199. done

[chascarrillo]

201. Keep hate alive!

[jlake]

225. Obama does his best to.

[cloudythescribbler]

326. good line!

[Joe the Revelator]

204. These pathetic last gasps of a dying campaign are pretty annoying.

nt

[jlake]

217. Don't worry. You can have your circlejerk before long.

[Obamaman2008]

205. Go Obama save this nation! Starting with Hillary!

[jlake]

224. For goodness sake - satire?

[mtnsnake]

206. I know someone who is done with Senator Obama....The Goddess of Peace is done with him!

She has HAD it. Ohhhh do I feel sorry for Barack tomorrow night. Hillary is going to be up one side of him and down the other. OUCH.

[jlake]

213. Yes. I can't wait. Go Hillary!

[Unsane]

208. Copy my threads much?

:rofl:

[SoCalDem]

209. Oh NO.. you mean he had his staff photo-shop Hillary out of the Africa picture

and had them put his face into it..and then they had to pretend to work for Hillary and then secretly send the picture to Drudge et al..

is that what you mean??

or when he hid under the table and used ventriloquism to make it sound like she supported NAFTA

or when he hid all her strawberries from the locker so she would have a meltdown-hissy fit on tv??

[madmom]

379. Fact check.org says...

Obama Mailings 'False'?
February 24, 2008
Clinton says Democrats should be "outraged." You be the judge.
Summary
Clinton said "every Democrat should be outraged" at two "false" mailers that Obama sent to voters in Ohio.

We find that a mailer criticizing her position on trade is indeed misleading. One that attacks her health-care plan we have previously described as straining the facts, though not exactly "false."
Trade: A mailer showing a locked plant gate quotes Clinton as saying she believed NAFTA was "a boon" to the economy. Those are not her words and Obama was wrong to put quote marks around them. In fact, she's been described by a biographer as privately opposing NAFTA in the White House.

Health Care: A second mailer said Clinton's health care plan "forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it." We have previously said that mailer "lacks context" and strains the facts. But both Obama and Clinton have been exaggerating their differences on this issue.
We've also previously criticized Clinton for sending a mailer that twisted Obama's words and gave a false picture of his proposals on Social Security, home foreclosures and energy.

We leave it to our readers to decide whether they should be "outraged" or not, and at whom.


:shrug:

[AX10]

211. K & R!

[Spiffarino]

212. I am fucking DONE with Obama

...being a mere Senator. He needs to be the next President! :headbang:

[democrattotheend]

221. Here, here!

That was clever!

[jlake]

222. Yeah, it had me fooled.

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[Enrique]

228. Obama has never trashed Hillary

not even close, lol.

[jlake]

232. Me thinks you haven't been paying attention to the behind the scenes machinations.

[WillyT]

231. I Only Regret That I Have But One Vote To Give To Barack Obama...

But that one vote... he's gonna get!

:evilgrin:

[jlake]

234. I don't know. His dirty Chicago backers usually encourage multiple votes.

[cboy4]

236. Oh, I'll prolly end up voting for the guy if he turnes out the

nominee

However, I don't trust him as far as I can throw him.

I think he'll renege on many of his commitments if he's elected.

[cloudythescribbler]

329. Renege -- you mean like the prez Larry Kramer (rightly) dubbed "Bill the Welsher" in 93? nt

[avrdream]

239. Been done a while with Mr. Obama.

Just kept hoping that Hillary would pull it out.....never forgetting how the Dems always seem to find a way to screw things up.

[jlake]

240. I simply can't believe it.... there is still hope though.

[readmoreoften]

241. Done with Barack Obama and ABSOLUTELY DONE with his fan club.

[jlake]

242. The fan club is far worse than the man himself.

[readmoreoften]

266. The fan club is so bad I feel like I can't share the same party with them.

I don't like Clinton's policies, but I respect her supporters. The Obamacans behave like right-wing hate radio fans. Stick a fork in me? Stick a fork in the country. If bipartisanship means a cageless zoo full of wild-eyed vicious animals, then bipartisanship is what we're getting.

[TheWraith]

243. Point out one single, genuine attack anywhere close to what the Clintons have launched at him.

You can't. Because you're lying.

You're so blinded by loyalty to your candidate that you spit out this nonsense about Obama being the attacker, when every major attack in this campaign has come from Clinton. And then you accuse him of all the things Clinton is guilty of.

[jlake]

244. Accusing the Clintons of racism.

[Muzza]

251. Exactly. He lost me 100% with that shameless effort to score votes.

[rhett o rick]

246. Another divisive post. Karl couldn't love it anymore than this. This isn't grade school. nm

[Muzza]

249. Hypocrisy. This forum is infected with countless ant-Hillary threads. So keep quiet.

[rhett o rick]

254. Bull shit. I say the same to all you idiots that try to be divisive. I think you are all trolls and

working for Karl Rove. Grow up.

[jlake]

257. I didn't see you ridiculing the thread for Hillary... just sayin'...

[rhett o rick]

258. I cant get them all. only the ones i happen on. I usually stay out of this area. nm

[jlake]

255. Funny. I didn't see you in the post that this is a response to.... see OP for link.

[rhett o rick]

263. "Your making fun of my candidate and not the other candidate" do yu know how

childish that sounds?

[Hoof Hearted]

247. I elect to vote "present"

for the time being.

[anonymous171]

250. OMG he attacked the Goddess!

What's wrong with him!?

[stevietheman]

253. Hillary is doing 90% of the trashing, and you know it.

Go away Hillbot.

[jlake]

256. Shoo Obamanationbot!

[incapsulated]

259. /signed. n/t

[bjobotts]

260. Stop accepting everything as good from your cand. Make them listen to us

Health care should be single payer and NOT FOR PROFIT or nothing really changes.

Get out of Iraq means no permanent bases, no pushing our brand of democracy off on them (unregulated disaster capitalism). Reconstruction is being withheld until they pass an oil sharing law with US (oil corps.)

"...Regardless of who is elected, in the coming year U.S. combat forces in Iraq will undoubtedly continue to contract to a fewer number of combat brigades and special operations forces focused on counter-terrorism and the mission of continuing to train and mentor the Iraqi Army and police forces. Much of the "war" that is already being fought is being supported from Kuwait and other locations, and the ongoing shifts seem to point to an intent to increasingly pull additional functions and people out of harm's way.

Of course they will not be out of harm's way at all, because a permanent American military presence in the region brings with it its own dangers and provocations. But most important what it brings for the next president is a fait accompli: a pause that facilitates a drawdown that begins to look a lot like a continuation of the same military and strategic policy, even at a time when there is broad questioning as to whether this is the most effective way to fight "terrorism."

Arkin is of course being over-polite in his conclusion: it has long been clear that the Bush Administration's policies – repeatedly ratified by the bipartisan foreign policy establishment – have nothing to do with fighting "terrorism," effectively or otherwise. It is a demonstrable fact – attested to by the Administration's own intelligence services – that these policies are actually exacerbating, empowering and emboldening terrorism all over the world. It is also obvious – albeit far less openly acknowledged – that these policies are themselves a form of terrorism: state terrorism, on a massive scale, which has already killed at least a million people in Iraq alone.

But Arkin is right on the money in noting that these developments – which have drawn not a peep of protest or the slightest questioning from the great "progressives" seeking the Democratic nomination (much less the bilious bagman cruising to the GOP nod) – are indeed "a continuation of the same military and strategic policy" that is driving the imperial war-state on to more "full spectrum operations" all over the world, for decades to come. And much as I might wish it to be otherwise, I have seen nothing to make me believe that any of the chicken-chompers bound for the White House will make any actual, substantial changes in this policy, much less begin the task of rolling back the empire.

But hey, did you see how Hillary waggled those feathers in her mouth when Obama spit that beak out at her? Then Hillary's campaign manager said… and then the polls showed… and then McCain told a reporter that… and then the Oscars… March Madness, baby!"

It all begins and ends with impeachment...something neither candidate is talking about. The neocons will just continue in the background until they can regain power unless this administration is indicted and all their disasters rectified.

[CatnHat]

261. No

will not be voting for Obama. Sick and tired of him and his supporters acting like "innocent victims" while tearing into another Democratic candidate. Done.

HILLARY
08

[Skip Intro]

262. Checking in - absolutely done with Obama. DONE.

[McCamy Taylor]

265. Here is the thread for what ails you. "Dirty Tricks"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4771862

If you are amazed (as I am) that there are back to back "I hate her" and "I hate him" thread here in the greatest (can I get them in matching towels?), you really need to check out this thread that I started.

If you are not amazed, and if you hate her or you hate him, you really, really need to check out this thread that I started

Let you in on a secret Karl Rove is a blood sucking vampire who feeds upon intra-party Democratic hate.

[FedUp_Queer]

269. The Time has come...

to shut down DU and for everyone to take their ball and go home. This site has descended into nothing but silly name-calling worthy of a grade-school playground. I think everyone here really needs to ask themselves if they REALLY believe all the crap and innuendo each is saying about the other. I can NOT be the only who sees this. I do wonder if the people on this site have gotten so married to a candidate that they have lost site of what this is all about. Yeah, each candidate does and says things to malign and criticize the other candidate. Each puts out technically correct pieces of literature. The supporters of each have passion, etc., which is really great. But people...please...this notion that those who support "the other 'guy'" are delusional or despicable is just ridiculous. Do I like the down and dirty of politics? No. Do I wish that each candidate would take the high road (whatever that is)? Of course. But, remember that these people are humans. Their supporters are humans with all the frailties and notorious fallibility unique to human beings. And they do the wrong thing sometimes. So, please...PLEASE, let's tone down the rhetoric. I understand that one side wants to give it to the other side and call them liars, etc., but really...it's time the vitriol end.

My first choice was John Edwards, but I don't begrudge anyone's support for their candidate. I think all of the candidates are good and decent people who have this country's best interest at heart. Each of these people has been willing to put themselves on the line and risk failure, in public of all places with everyone to see. This has to be a most humbling thing for anyone. Finally, these candidate have done this knowing full well the almost insurmountable task of not only reversing course after 8 absolutely disastrous years, but beginning to reforge long, lost relationships internationally and restoring the social contract of Americans with their government. I understand passion, but please, folks, let's respect each other's views and candidates instead of imputing all kinds of insidious motives, etc. to the supporters of the candidates, and the candidates themselves.

(If you think you've seen this post, I posted it at the pro-Obama thread before this.)

[candymarl]

277. Shhh!

You're being reasonable and making sense.

Play the oldest trick in the book eg.:

1. Get Hillary and Obama supporters hating each other.

2. Get them to believe anything bad the MSM/MCM says about the other one.

3. Get the winning (or at least leading) group to alienate the losing (trailing) group.

4. Alienated voters stay home, vote 3rd party, or write in a candidate.

RESULT:

Republican victory in November!

Brilliant!:sarcasm:

[Mozcram]

283. Thank you! We need to inject some clarity, maturity, intelligence

... into this conversation. Politics is messy business, and
people who do politics are usually not able to stay too pure
and clean. Since we were all born before this moment, and have
some knowledge of history, we needn't hate and despise our
candidates for not always being totally forthright or kind. 

Hillary, and her husband, are brilliant and successful
politicians. Barack Obama is turning out to be mighty
effective himself, at least in this race. I would love to see
the loser in this game survive intact. There is plenty of
value in each of these candidates and WE NEED good, strong
democrats in positions of responsibility. We should really
keep people like Kucinich, Edwards, B.O. and H.R.C. around.
Each has something very valuable to contrbute. It is so
childish to hate the opponent and his or her supporters, this
scorched-earth policy is so self-destructive.

Really, c'mon, people! Let's keep our ideals, values and
priorities in mind, and pursue
the best, most thoughtful course of action that aligns with
them.

And give up the rage and hatred.
We need to find commonality and join forces, especially right
now.

[ingac70]

271. Obama has won the last ELEVEN contests...

Yet he is the weaker candidate. Give me a break!

[jlake]

275. In the GE he surely will be.

[ingac70]

278. And Clinton will fare better...

with her current piss poor performance?

[Baby Snooks]

273. Absolutely done with the Clintons

This photo which she so coyly refuses to absolutely deny was put out there by one of her campaign workers, more than likely at her direction, while also coyly acting as if it's "much ado about nothing" really was the final straw for quite a few. No doubt if all else fails she will distance herself from her remarks and try to blame it on the "right-wing conspiracy" as you are apparently trying to do which we all know has always had it in for the Clintons.

Reality is that if the Clintons hadn't lived their lives in a gutter, the right-wing wouldn't have had anything to conspire about. They have served themselves up on a silver platter. First to the right-wing. Now to the left-wing.

There are a growing number of Republicans who probably will vote for Barack Obama. Simply because they cannot bear the thought of either John McCain or Hillary Clinton as president. It has nothing to do with party or party loyalty or in this case disloyalty but simply character.

Barack Obama has not lived his life in a gutter. The Clintons have.

[jlake]

276. Yes. The Clinton's clearly operate the National Enquirer....

[ingac70]

279. ....

http://bigheaddc.com/2007/12/19/national-enquirer-connection-to-hillary-clinton/

[jlake]

388. Are you seriously linking to an obscure internet blog? I can find one that

says Obama is the anti-christ and a sleeper cell.... do you think they are reliable?
:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

[ingac70]

410. Big Head DC is not "obscure"...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1007/The_Clintonite_who_owns_National_Enquirer.html

[madmom]

383. I really don't understand all the bs about "the picture", what's the big deal?... all

Obama would have had to say was "yeah, I dressed in native garb, just like so many other politicians before me so what?" Why make a big thing out of it? Is he embarrassed by it? And to put any credibility to anything drudge says is, well,way beyond my comprehension.

[candymarl]

274. I'm still holding out

I think Obama will win. But to believe Drudge? During a campaign?
That's like believing Rove about Seigelman.

[quinnox]

280. Getting close

Obama can give a good speech, but it seems a whole lot of flash and not much beef.

Obama never takes a hard position, he always tries halfway to please everyone.

Kind of wimpy.

I can see how all the MTV crowd are starry-eyed about him, but the Obama fad may last as long as most fads to that crowd, not very long until the next shiny thing takes their fancy.

Obama seems more fond of past republican presidents like Reagan and then trash talks the Clinton years. There is a definite pattern and it is not complimentary to Obama.

[Oldenuff]

281. Fed up with Obama?

Not yet.We are going to have him as the next Prez....barring another election theft.You can feel free to champion Hillary all you like...but you need to face the cold hard facts....she's going to lose the nomination (fingers crossed here).The fact is simple...that Obama is the better candidate.He wasn't and still isn't my choice.But he is FAR better than Hillary.

And don't give me that experience BS.I'll take an inexperienced Obama,over an experienced Hillary any day of the week.

Or,we could all get together and write in a real candidate.Kooch.

[Muzza]

282. It's always the Obama people that start the rubbish first...then we have to fight back!

[shellfishgene]

284. I don't think the Obama-cult thing is one way...

Hilary supporters can act like there is a smear campaign going on right now, but this woman has been acting insane over the last few weeks. There's no consistency at all in her campaign.

Maybe you love Hilary, but Obama isn't the only one beating Hilary. Hilary is beating her herself. They put together a half-ass campaign and when it started slipping away, they freaked out and Hilary went all over the map. The problem is that her campaign is searching for that one controversial issue they can get in the media that will stick. When they do this, they offend lots of people in the process.

Obama's people, on the other hand, are running one of the greatest campaigns in our lifetime. He is energizing peope all over the country; even in the red states! People don't come out in droves because they are stupid or crazed cult maniacs. They come out because it's exciting!

[candymarl]

285. Okie dokie

You refer to Hillary as "acting insane". I'm sure there's a compliment in there somewhere.

I agree Obama's campaign is running much more smoothly. He's doing a much better job of getting his message out.

I will maintain one position no matter who wins or loses the primaries. There has been some measure of nastiness on both sides.
Politics is, by it's very nature, a nasty business.

I've seen great candidates. I've seen good candidates. I've seen average and bad candidates. I've never seen or heard of any candidate without flaws.

[shellfishgene]

380. "acting insane" = complete inconsistency and unpredictability...

for purposes of the first post.

Obama, definitely not a flawless candidate. But his campaign has been one of the best.

[Yossariant]

288. I have been fucking done with Obama since South Carolina.

And, even McCain doesn't advocate invading Pakistan.

Obama is a lying nutcase --- no different that the lying nutcase we've had for 8 years.

[billky]

291. done with Obama

I've never been for Obama.  He's all talk.  Then it really
turned my stomach when Oprah stuck herself in it.  People need
to get the gaze out of their eyes and realize what they're
voting for.  This is President of the U.S.  Just remember, the
same thing happened when Bush ran, he fooled everybody too,
being so religious and everything.  Get off the bandwagon and
think for yourself for a change.  This site should be called
Obama underground.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

294. How much

have you donated to the McCain campaign?

[madmom]

386. see post # 375

[Tennessee Gal]

292. I am done.

[sendero]

295. You're funny..

... he's done less of it than they have.

And as far as trusting the GOP, it is HRC who continues to vote with Bush on national security issues. That is why I won't vote for her, Obama at LEAST is on the right side of the most important issue facing America - the stupid immoral debacle that is Iraq.

[saltpoint]

296. At this hour of a long process still unfolding Barack Obama is the

more likely of the three most likely candidates (Obama, Clinton, McCain) to be the next President of the United States.

Your phrase appears to reference "absolute fucking," which certainly sounds interesting, but probably is a separate topic. One hopes there is an accompanying video.

Neither Sen. Obama nor Sen. Clinton appear to have a drive-though green light to the nomination in Denver. Both have a substantial delegate count. Sixteen states/territories have yet to cast votes.

We'll have to see what happens.

[JoFerret]

297. No way McCain but we have to end the cult

Is his wife off her rocker? Funny stuff if it weren't just a little creepy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-obama-must-beware-of-turning-into-a-cult-787298.html

[susankh4]

300. You can add me and my two sisters....

to the list of longtime dems who won't vote for Mr. Obama.

We are now looking outside of the US for our news.

Interesting, isn't it? That London knew about the "swift response" of the Clinton Camp yesterday:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3433929.ece
While ObamaNews, here in the US (CNN and FOX).... was still telling us they were not answering.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3433929.ece

[cloudythescribbler]

331. Do I get this right -- BOTH Fox News AND CNN are pushing for Obama???

I support Obama but don't think he is persuasive enough to win over BOTH of those two!

[susankh4]

332. You got it!

And I, for one, am getting a little suspicious about the ulterior motives of two repug owned media conglomerates.

Aren't you?

[Egalia]

301. Go Hillary!!

Obama smears Hillary Clinton every chance he gets. And we're supposed to believe he wants to leave partisan politics behind? Obama IS partisan politics.

[mwb970]

311. Sorry, I think you're wrong.

Chalk up another Ohio vote for Obama. I'm going to mail my ballot in today.

[Hepburn]

312. You are....

...P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C.

Did I say that sloooooooooowly enough for you to get the drift?

Shame on you for not supporting the candidate who will be at the top of our ticket in November 2008.

OMG.....did I say "shame on you" to someone??? Sorry....I did not mean to sound like a bitter, old woman. Ack.......!!! :argh:

[Cronus Protagonist]

319. k & r n/t

[Deep13]

323. But, but, he's Muad'Dib and stuff!

He'll lead the the Fremmen to freedom.

Seriously, he is nothing but platitudes and derivative ones at that. It is not that he is some kind of great leader so much as his fans pysychologically need one and they project their needs onto him. He also shows a feminine side that HC cannot show without looking weak. Those fans really, really turn me off. Basically we have a centrist Dem. with a lot of experience including 8 years as Pres. Clinton's close advisor and who knows how to get stuff done vs. another centrist Dem. without that experience. That we would fall for the latter is a pretty scarey statement as a party. And whether or not you think a 1993 trade deal or the IWR is relevant to this election, the fact remains, slandering HC does not make O any better.

I'm really sick of the whining about the mere fact that HC is fighting back. If HC does not do well on 3/4, then I'm pretty much resigned to a McCain presidency, because there is no way O can beat McC. All those white men that O is relying on will desert him in the general. They always do.

[moondust]

327. Skipped the meds this week, eh?

[JoFerret]

328. AKA - stop whining already

Obama is ahead. These "supporters" who are still slashing and burning Hillary should shush already and quit with the whining.

You have a good candidate. He is on the road to nomination. Relax and enjoy. Don't agitate, gloat and destroy.

Every time you do you diminish your candidate and reduce his appeal to those who quite reasonably have a degree of scepticism about his candidacy.

[Deep13]

354. That hits the nail on the head. nt

[Rockholm]

330. Never supported him.

[Sadie5]

337. Done with BO

The Democratic party had this election handed to them on a silver platter. Hard to imagine screwing it up, but they have by going hog wild over a inexperienced candidate who trashes Hillary while offering nothing of substance to the voters. I will not support BO nor will I work for him to get him elected.

[JKaiser]

333. Agree with you completely! I am done with him!

[rAVES]

335. lol, what a schmuck..

your little bandwagon of faux outrage is pathetic.

[BigD_95]

343. This is why if Hillary doesnt

win both Texas & Ohio she has to drop out or the party will be divided. Its human nature to get behind your person.

When the picture came out & then I saw her freaking out about those mailers & on top of that making fun of his speeches.... I was like, If she comes back and wins I wouldn't even vote for her now. I would vote Green party.

This is coming from a guy who has always liked Hillary. I listen to both of her books and have always been a big fan.

That's why this election cant continue on much longer. The party will get divided and McCain will win. Can you imagine McCain as our President? What a nightmare.

I was up in the air for awhile on who to support once Edwards left but I felt it was best to go with Obama. My personal choice.

But I pray Obama wins Ohio & Texas not so much I like him that much more then Hillary but to end this race before we are to divided.

This is hurting our party.

[lligrd]

336. I Note You Left Out "President McCain" Would Be Better

this time. Wise move.

[TankLV]

338. Fuck obama - he lost me at mcgurkin and went downhill from there...

hasn't done a fucking thing to redeem himself...

[bushisdirt]

340. Not me. I really like Obama. If I never saw Billiary Clinton again, it

would be too soon.

[Pryderi]

341. Geeze....Hillary must be weak and ineffective. I mean, if

she can't beat Obama, what makes anyone think she can beat McCain?

[Capn Sunshine]

342. Shouldn't you be on the job?

Really, posting after polishing off a bottle of wine is not good for the campaign, makes you appear bitter and backward, and is unseemly.

Put down the bottle, take a shower, and go help them pack up Hillary HQ.

It appears you are in the "Rage" stage of grief.
We're here for you. :grouphug:

[Patriot Abroad]

346. Now that was funny . . .

and probably close to the truth . . .

[Capn Sunshine]

352. I've seen it a lot from state to state

it's repeated over and over

[jlake]

358. I don't drink. And I don't work for Hillary. So not really funny.

[kotsu]

344. I will vote

for the Democratic Party even if I have to hold my nose to do so. But I have to say...this is the party's last chance with me. The motto "yes we can" will change to "you damn well better". I'm tired of seeing my own party played for fools by the right wing. I'm tired of hearing about the greatest president we have had since FDR dissed in favor of mediocre (at best) politicians who can't manage to win elections because they're afraid of hurting the GOP's feelings. I'm tired of elections outright stolen from the people because candidates are all flowery talk and no spine. I'm tired of Democratic politicians who say they will "change" and actually do some work once elected only to sit on their status quo.

I will vote...but I'm tired of voting against a candidate rather than for one.

[madwivoter]

345. Shame on you!

Thanks for the laugh.

Maybe you should give the Hillary campaign a call, sign up to volunteer and travel to Ohio and Texas to give her all the support you can. She needs it. Unfortunately the people running her campaign have failed at every step of the way. :banghead:

I'm looking forward to the debate tonight...which Hillary will we see today?

To be clear, if Hillary gets the nomination, I'll vote for her.

Maybe I'll hop over to Obama's website and donate a little more money.

[jlake]

359. Shame on Barack Obama!

[harun]

348. Why don't they let you alert on someone you are ignoring? (n/t)

[L0oniX]

349. Where are the mods? This is flame bait.

[Zambero]

351. The only thing DONE at this point is Hillary

Kindly try and accept that fact. She's now passed the fork test for DONEness and her true colors are showing in the final desperate hours. Forget that irrelevant Drudge photo. Her mocking and sarcastic tones on the campaign trail says it all. Obama's momentum was defined on super Tuesday, and he has stayed on message. It's called winning fair and square. You're absolutely correct about the GOP slime machine. The best thing that Hillary mourners can do is to get through the 7-step grieving process ASAP and get behind the nominee. Well-heeled lobbyists are already throwing money at "great reformer" McCain's campaign, and there will be no end to the dirt that's spewed forth. So as the last 2 trains are departing the station, be absolutely sure you're on the right one.

[aquarius dawning]

353. I can't wait to not vote for Obama.

[Umbram]

361. Oh, NO! One of DU's worst political hacks is fed up!

I guess since such a reasonable person has made a big decision, we'll all take it quite seriously.

:sarcasm:

[MethuenProgressive]

362. Pandering to homophobes, Fundi code speak, and Swiftboating the Clintons on Race

This is NOT what our party is FOR, it is what we are AGAINST.

[jlake]

374. Exactly!

[CaseyStorm]

363. Time is up for the Clintons taking us Democrats for GRANTED!!

I'm done with the Clintons. Clintons = old politics of divisiveness. Obama will change the way politics is done in America forever.

[stark6935]

365. Wait for tonight

You want to see fake, wait until the debate tonight. Hillary will try to go negative and its going to go completely nuclear in her face. Watch, it will happen tonight. She doesn't know how to go negative without making people stomachs turn.

[muryan]

366. Here's the bottom line

I support Obama, but if Hillary somehow manages to win the nomination i will support her too, despite my disagreements with her policies. I will do this because the thought of more americans dying under a McCain presidency is more than i can bare. You may hate obama or clinton with every fiber of your being, but just remember that if the bush doctrine continues for another 4 years, the blood will be on your hands this time too.

[fascisthunter]

367. Wow... You Represent Hillary Real Well

:crazy:

And for those of you who do not seperate yourselves from this garbage post, shame on you.


62 recommends?

[itcfish]

368. I Was Done with Obama

the day he praised Raygun and when he started using the "race card" with the Clintons. I think he is the biggest phoney on two feet.

[trekbiker]

370. Hillary is toast..

First I was for Kucinich. then Edwards. Now Barack.

Not that Hillary would be a terrible president. Just an ineffective one. You think congress is divisive now?? imagine what it would be for the next 4/8 years with Hillary as prez. Nothing but repug fillibusters. And thats assuming she can actually beat McCain.

[jlake]

416. I disagree on all counts. Obama is not what he presents himself to be.

[notundecided]

421. I suppose congress is going to roll over for Obama

[npincus]

372. tit for tat threads! Very mature.

[Emillereid]

373. What time is it? It's Obama time! Gobama!

[jlake]

381. Enjoy that tasty shit sandwich you're gobbling down.

[Emillereid]

394. Yum,yum!

[SunnyDays]

376. He's been off my list from the beginning and it gets worse and worse...

I am not Hillary fan...however, this guy is not a Democrat if he uses GOP ads to trash healthcare proposals; his wife has a chip on her shoulder, has everything and whines (and has always been a whiner, from reports I've read...foreign press stories are quite detailed); his Rezko dealings will be coming to the fore..and the name AUCHI is already out in the UK press....

I don't know who planted him, but he is a plant. He's played the race card since the beginning and has gotten a free pass and the media has enabled most of this crap. (Referring to Edwards as "the white guy" 3 times in a debate was the final straw.) He disses the 60s but embraces images and words from then if it's convenient. He's a two-faced weasel. He combines the "love me" neediness of Clinton with the real arrogance of Bush.

His utter ignorance on foreign affairs makes him even MORE like Bush. He pads his resume with the subcommittee which deals with Nato, but hasn't called a meeting. Meanwhile, in Afghanistan (Taliban have Kabul in their sights, new article up at ATimes (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JB27Df01.html)and now Kosovo-Serbia, Nato is really in a mess....what does he opine about that??? Serbia is a tinderbox, moving back into the Russian sphere. Der Spiegel and The Economist have already got his number.

I will never vote for him...or McCain. After 30 years of activism, I will probably sit this one out....if Edwards is smart and doesn't endorse or campaign, I may write him in. He was my first choice....

Read Spengler in ATimes...this paragraph caught my eye:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html

"Both Obama and the American public should be very careful of what they wish for. As the horrible example of Obama's father shows, there is nothing worse for an embittered outsider manipulating the system from within than to achieve his goals - and nothing can be more terrible for the system. Even those who despise America for its blunders of the past few years should ask themselves whether the world will be a safer place if America retreats into a self-pitying shell."

[bjnumb9]

377. You might "sit this one out"

But fortunately waves of new and inspired voters will show up and put our next great President into office. Such whining from so many people. It's pathetic. I don't have many posts but I have been visiting this site and these forums since 2004. I've never been so turned off as I am now. It is unbelievable that so many people are angry that a Democratic candidate is firing up so many people! It shows when Hillary says "Enough with the speeches and the big rallies." Ha! She's so angry, just like so many of her supporters on here, that Obama has established a movement that people are fired up about. That is selfish of her and selfish of you people who trash his supporters and the excitement that he has brought to the voters in this country.

[DemCam]

378. Yep, I'm done.

Way to go...Obama supporters...and I do blame you for my inability
to listen to your candidate. I liked him back in the day of his one
purple speech. I guess you could say, intimidation and false righteous
outrage over Drudge...DRUDGE, for Pita's sake...is all but laughable.

Listen to yourselves...on this thread and all over this site.

[Barrymores Ghost]

382. As if you ever supported him one iota in the first place.

Please, don't be so arrogant as to assume that everyone is as foolish as you clearly are.

[jlake]

384. I certainly never imagined myself not voting for the nominee before Obamanation.

[bjnumb9]

387. "waaahhh"

"everyone is excited about a Democratic candidate, but it's not MY Democratic candidate!"

Hillary and her supporters need to quit being such Selfish Shellfish and quit whining about positives like "big rallies." And that's all that it is at this point, whining that you're not getting your way. People are actually excited about politics and a Democratic candidate and you're all mad about it! C'mon. That's just lame.

[jlake]

390. Some people are on to Obamasham.

[bjnumb9]

392. Some people are bitter, selfish individuals

who can't quit whining because they're not getting their way. You, sir, are a prime example. You would rather your choice for the nominee win the nomination than have waves of new voters coming to the Democratic party because they're excited about a candidate.

Again, that is selfish and that is lame. The tantrums that Hillary has thrown recently are trickling down to her supporters, apparently. It's sad.

[Barrymores Ghost]

479. Snap! n/t

[BonnieJW]

389. He has my vote.

And my husband's, three daughters', and one son-in-law's.

[jlake]

393. Do you get your koolaid at Costco?

[bjnumb9]

395. You could take a 5-gallon Costco KoolAid container...

and concoct a bitter mix with your tears at this point.

[jlake]

396. I'll go down to Obama headquarters - I'm sure they've got plenty of empties.

[bjnumb9]

408. Not very sharp, are you?

Empties would leave you with nothing but tears.

[jlake]

411. I've got some koolaid... I just need the 5 gallon drums to mix it in

[stillrockin]

398. Calm down, you are not doing Hillary any favors.

If anything, you're showing yourself to be histrionic and irrational.

[Occam Bandage]

399. That's why I rec'd it.

[jlake]

402. I thought it was because you secretly knew the truth.

[Occam Bandage]

405. "Ah, but the strawberries--that's where I had them!"

[jlake]

412. I have no idea what that means. I ain't a librul Hollywood elite.

[jlake]

401. In the opinion of a bot.

[DiverDave]

400. 65 rec's, for this childish tantrum?

Christ, you've all lost you minds...

[jlake]

403. It may be a rant - but it is the truth.

[Tarc]

409. The O-Bots get one of these on the front page every day or so

Nice to see the other side get a crack occasionally.

[YOY]

439. Last throes of the Hillary machine

and they are not sweetly passing into the night...

Because anyone who opposes her is obviously a sexist pig, you know...they'll all using right wing talking points of course....and Obama folks are all in a cult dammit...because he's all hype and not the real thing like Hillary...blach blach blach...

and of course the ultimate egoism: "I won't vote if Obama get's the nomination..."


Jesus, I can't stand anyone who uses that line...

You would see the same from his side if she were beating Obama right now.

This too shall pass...

[jlake]

452. She's in it to win it.

[YOY]

458. or at least to ruin the game so no one else can...apparently

nt

[jlake]

470. Save the drama.

[YOY]

474. ...

:eyes:

[Tarc]

404. Well, I can't really be "done" with him if I never started with him in the first place

but besides that, I agree. :)

[LynneSin]

406. So - what's my option if he gets the nomination?

Vote McCain?

Vote 3rd Party? (which inadvertantly supports McCain)

Not Vote?

Pul-lease!

[jlake]

413. Do whatever you wish. I won't participate in such a grand error.

[LynneSin]

414. So you're ok with FUCKING UP MY RIGHT TO CHOOSE???!!!

This is the Democratic Underground - after the primary we won't have to put up with this kind of crap from EITHER democratic candidate supporter. Thank god!

[jlake]

415. There is no doubt in my mind that Obama would cave on that issue if it meant

singing kumbaya with the Republicans.

[LynneSin]

417. I think Will Pitt sums it up much better than you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4775205

Please remove your head from your ass.

There is no way a 3rd party candidate will win - end of discussion. I cannot believe you would be ok with 4 years of another nut job republican than with a democrat who without a doubt is flawed (hell both of them are) but will have a better chance of getting some of the needed work done.

Your absolutely selfishness amazes me. You would rather see Katrina victims still out there without homes and not site of ever making it home. You would rather take away all chances of a woman to choose what is right with her own body. You would rather put a man who thinks we should be in Iraq for a billion trillion years instead of someone that perhaps will try to wrap things up in the next year. I would rather take a chance with Obama OR Clinton (mind you, I voted Biden - and that was AFTER he dropped out of the race) then to do ANYTHING that could feasibly allow a republican to stay in the white house.

You are a disappointment

[jlake]

418. Look up Obama's campaign finance director and tell me he cares

about Katrina victims or subprime mortgagees.... he has already promised to do whatever it takes to cave to the Republicans.
He is the only candidate in the primary race that I can't bring myself to vote for.... I will be writing in Hillary or Biden - and NO that is NOT a vote for John McCain.
But don't worry - he is so popular he won't need my vote.
Especially in PA.

[LynneSin]

420. You're seriously not getting it are you

If I want to support the perfect candidate perhaps I ought to run for office myself.

And as someone who lived in Pennsylvania for 30+ years don't you DARE think your vote is a throw-away. I've been working campaigns in Pennsylvania since the 80s. You think PA is a guarentee win you clearly know SHIT about Pennsylvania. If we're such a blue state then how did Rick Santorum not only win Pennsylvania but win it again a second time? BTW, did you know that Allegheny county received the most complaints to Michael Moore's election hotline he opened for the 2004 election? Do you know that 3 weeks before the general election in 2004, the republican party filed a suit to move over a dozen general election polling places in the city of Philadelphia over such things as 'not enough bathrooms', 'not enough parking' and 'handicap ramp not long enough'. Fortunately the suit was thrown out. In 2004 I worked a polling place in the Great Northeast of Philadelphia where Russian was a predominant language spoken. I handed out brochures for Allison Schwartz in languages I could not read. About every 20-30 minutes a couple of 'Russian Translaters' would show up that insisted they would go into the voting booth with the voter to help them 'vote'. Knowing that the democrats had nothing to do with this AND the fact that every voter was given out complete instructions in Russian that would help them read the candidates name - this was hardly a necessity. We had to keep a permament lawyer with our volunteer group that would get rid of this scum only to have a few more show up again. So yeah - we can just skip Pennsylvania - nothing to worry about here :sarcasm:

It saddens me you care so little for this country that you would enable someone like McCain. That's what you are doing and personally, your posts will be locked IMMEDIATELY if you try to promote this shit after the nomination is completed. So perhaps you should look for the "I'm dumb enough to think it's ok to have a republican for another 4 years in charge Underground"

[jlake]

424. If Obama can flip VA, GA, AL, LA, OK, TN, AR, AK, CO etc he should have

no problem with PA.

And I am not enabling McCain. I will vote my conscience. Obama hasn't spoken to me.

[LynneSin]

426. Clearly no one is speaking to you with your thick skull

Enjoy this now. I'm looking forward to all this shit going away in a few months.

Oh btw, I'm not even an Obama supporter but hell if I'm going to enable republicans.

[happygoluckytoyou]

419. ANY CHANCE WE CAN JUST VOTE FOR THE DEM IN NOVEMBER!!!

[LynneSin]

422. NONONONO - This is all about MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME

It gets old doesn't it

:sigh:

[Ken Burch]

423. There's no way the stronger candidate in the polls could be the weaker candidate.

And you're not gonna be able to ask African Americans and the young to back HRC in the fall if you get HRC nominated that way(especially since it's now clear that she's going to lose the overall primary vote and only be nominated by the supers and the tainted Florida/Michigan votes.)

It's not in HRC's interest to stay in the race. She needs to do the right thing, get out, and help us win. You are only helping McCain by posting shit like this. You should be ashamed.

And Obama has NEVER sided with the GOP.

Face it, everyone who votes for HRC now knows they are voting to lose the election. Why do something so stupid and pointless?

[jlake]

429. Obama side with the GOP daily. And Kerry was up 20+ at this point 4 years ago...

yes, polls can change.

[Ken Burch]

455. Kerry was the strongest candidate then. Unfortunately

by this point in the process in '04 the corporate media and the right-wing Beltway boys had forced everybody else out. They'd forced Dean out even they knew he would be better as a candidate, simply because he wasn't completely obedient or devoid of conviction.

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

425. How can you be done with something that you never were for?

:shrug:

[jlake]

427. You rule out the possibility of ever supporting that person in any capacity.

[SeaLyons]

428. Done with Obama?

Never been for Obama...don't understand any of this blind support for him on this board.

[JoFerret]

432. Cult discussion at this link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x340821

[GoneOffShore]

430. Sorry no - Done with Hils here

Actually was done a long time ago. Back when she ran for Congress with an eye towards the White House.

The whole naked ambition and lust for power thing turned me off. To paraphrase your OP-

"There doesn't appear to be any loyalty to the Democratic Party or traditional Democratic values from her campaign.
She knows she will be the weaker candidate in the GE, but her ego drives her to risk it all for her own glory."

[natrat]

433. i was done after seeing bill on his knees in front of poppy all the time-what freaks

[Scout]

431. is he skull and bones? heard on Thom Hartmann.... n/t

[Danieljay]

434. wake up! wake up! Youre dreaming again. Done with Obama? Give me a flippin break..

Hillary's campaign team did it in for me when the plagiarism thing popped up. Howard Wolfson lost it for me.

[jlake]

459. Gotcha.

[endarkenment]

436. The fact that this got 68 Rs is pretty sad.

There is no way I would support a similar claim regarding Clinton.

[jlake]

441. Well, there is one on the greatest page everyday....

[jlake]

476. You're right. It should have gotten at least 50,000!

[f the letter]

437. i'm equally done with him and clinton.

But i guess i'll still vote for one of them.. but honestly, Hillary is no better on the reasons why you dislike Obama. Fairly run-of-the-mill political machine nonsense.

[notundecided]

440. I'll vote for Obama if he's the nominee

........then I'll run like hell!

[knixphan]

442. Obamacats and Hillcats unite!

Hillsters, we love you and we accept you!

There's more than enough room on the O-boat... As soon as you guys join us, it'll be the LOVE boat, and we'll cruise on over to D.C.!

Dems unite! GOP goes down this year!

[Thepricebreaker]

463. Not me.... Bye Bye Hillary.... she will never get my vote,.. i will leave it blank. n/t

[Name removed]

445. Deleted message

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[sloppyjoe25s]

447. Why would I be "Done" with him?

He has proven himself to be the better leader.

He has proven himself to be the better executive.

He has proven himself to be able to expand the Democratic Party.

He has proven himself to have better judgement.

He has proven himself to be ready On Day #1.

[sniffa]

460. God bless level 2

I get to see some of the most vile DUers.... and it reminds me why they're ignored.

[jlake]

466. Why can't you control yourself and stay off of threads if all you are going to

contribute is humorless snide comments?

[sniffa]

468. Because I can't control myself

and besides, this can of Raid isn't going to employ itself. :hi:

[thevoiceofreason]

461. Even though I'm a guy, I'd have Barack's baby.

Hillary is lame. She had bad handlers who did not prepare her for this debate.

[thevoiceofreason]

462. Even though I'm a guy, I'd have Barack's baby.

Hillary is lame. She had bad handlers who did not prepare her for this debate.

[jlake]

467. OMG that is absolutely scary.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[EvolveOrConvolve]

464. Checking in as an Obama supporter

The only "absolutely" that I care about is that Obama is absolutely going to win in 2008 and in 2012.

[jlake]

471. Ha! Go clean up on intrade....

[Raine]

465. Not me, no way

I'm behind Obama all the way to the Whitehouse! :thumbsup:

[jlake]

469. Good luck with that.

[grantcart]

473. this has to be the greatest thread ever started for Barack Obama

I never realised that he had so much support here. Oh and very clever with the fake snarky begining. There were a couple of posters who didn't the get the sardonic word play and thought it was an attack on Obama

Outstanding Go'bama

[The Anti-Bush]

477. You all go ahead and vote for the GOP

Don't worry, the real democrats will still take care of everything.

[jlake]

478. I'm voting for Hillary. Yes She Can! GOMAMA!