Obama just on CNN with quotes on Hillary supporting NAFTA.

[dkf]

He said that Hillary was blaming Bush Sr for NAFTA but it was passed under Bill.

Then he quoted her in several passages from her book and other direct quotes on her positive public comments on NAFTA.

Lastly, he says he never supported NAFTA.

Hillary opened up a can of worms asserting that the one quote on Obama's mailers were wrong. I mean everyone knows NAFTA was Bill's baby. She stepped into it big time.

edited for grammar.

[JackORoses]

1. She will rue the day she made such a big deal over her NAFTA support

It is a losing battle for her.

[Drunken Irishman]

2. Thursday is going to be a fun debate.

I hope she brings up NAFTA and then we'll see how things work out for her.

[DUyellow]

33. tuesday

[Drunken Irishman]

34. Oh, even better!

I don't know why I thought it was Thursday.

[blocker]

3. It looks like hillary supporters are liking it

she's on the stump blasting nafta and her fans are liking it, like she always was against NAFTA, troubling indeed.

[ClassWarrior]

26. They've cheerled every bone-headed, tone-deaf move she's made.

At least the ones here have.

NGU.

[Cha]

4. What the hell is she even thinking?

Can't she come up with some rational stuff to go apeshit on?

[blocker]

6. Mark Penn and wolfson tactics?

that wouldn't surprise me, theses 2 guys are real dumbasses!

[VolcanoJen]

13. Today's NYT article about Clinton's flailing campaign was interesting.

The most fascinating part for me was that Penn and Wolfson were urging her to go negative on Obama, and flat-out insist he is not suited for the office of the Presidency.

Bill Clinton, on the other hand, was urging her to hit Obama on Health Care, as it's a hardcore Democratic issue and red meat during a Democratic primary.

Looks like Bill might have won this round.. but unfortunately for Hillary, they've been talking about the differences in their health care plans for almost a year now, and nothing is sinking in.

[Cha]

16. How much of a dumbass does it take

to hire them?

[DJ13]

5. "She stepped into it big time."

Yesterday while watching her rant live on TV the only thing going through my mind was that she took the bait.

That was the second dumbest political move her campaign made all year (the first being Bill in SC).

She's screwed now.

[boston bean]

7. She just reeled him in. He just said he never supported NAFTA. Lets see what happens......

lol

[blocker]

9. well he didn't

it's been his message since the start of the campaign!

[boston bean]

24. yep u o supporters need to research your own candidate. nt

[Windy]

31. Her claim is not supported by the evidence....her own words MassDem... did you read the op?

wow...I'm just continually amazed by Hillary supporters

[State the Obvious]

8. She says she plan to "revisit" the issue.

I hope Obama asks her to define the word "revisit".

Does Hillary's "revisit" mean the same as Bush saying, "I'll look into it."?:boring: :boring: :boring:

[OzarkDem]

11. Link for you

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6152

She will dramatically strengthen NAFTA’s labor and environmental provisions; change NAFTA’s investment provisions that grant special rights to foreign companies; strengthen NAFTA’s enforcement mechanisms; and review NAFTA regularly. She’ll also call for a time-out on all new trade agreements until the US has developed a comprehensive, pro-worker, pro-American trade policy that is enforceable, and end tax breaks for shipping US jobs overseas.

[yourguide]

15. She is quote on record...IN HER BOOK

praising NAFTA, sorry my friend - you cant just up and change your mind because it's politcally adventageous but and then claim foul when your own words are called into question.

[Windy]

32. IWR ring a bell with anyone? Its a pattern with Clinton. Do what is politically advantageous! n/t

[Cha]

18. Typical political zombie speak..

"I'll revisit it".."I'll look into it".

[OzarkDem]

10. Wow, Obama is lying

again.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6152

She will dramatically strengthen NAFTA’s labor and environmental provisions; change NAFTA’s investment provisions that grant special rights to foreign companies; strengthen NAFTA’s enforcement mechanisms; and review NAFTA regularly. She’ll also call for a time-out on all new trade agreements until the US has developed a comprehensive, pro-worker, pro-American trade policy that is enforceable, and end tax breaks for shipping US jobs overseas.

[blocker]

12. Yeah just like she's gonna change her iraq vote.

why can't she admit she made some dumb decisions. just admit it and move on, whats the big deal?

[Avalux]

19. He is NOT lying. Hillary has touted NAFTA and Mark Penn is in it up to his eyeballs:

Hillary Clinton has made statements unequivocally trumpeting NAFTA as the greatest thing since sliced bread. The Buffalo News reports that back in 1998, Clinton attended the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and thanked praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Yes, you read that right: She traveled to Davos to thank corporate interests for their campaign ramming NAFTA through Congress.

On November 1, 1996, United Press International reported that on a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Clinton "touted the president's support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region."

The Associated Press followed up the next day noting that Hillary Clinton touted the fact that "the president would continue to support economic growth in South Texas through initiatives such as the North American Free Trade Agreement."

In her memoir, Clinton wrote, "Senator Dole was genuinely interested in health care reform but wanted to run for president in 1996. He couldn't hand incumbent Bill Clinton any more legislative victories, particularly after Bill's successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/hillary-clinton-pretends-_b_86747.html

In the letter sent Friday, which a labor official released yesterday, James P. Hoffa, president of the Teamsters, and Bruce Raynor, president of Unite Here, wrote that they did not want to see Mrs. Clinton or the Democratic Party embarrassed by the anti-union activities of Mr. Penn’s firm, Burson-Marsteller, one of the nation’s leading public relations companies.

“If Hillary is pro-worker and pro-union, she will certainly take steps to rein in Mr. Penn,” Mr. Hoffa said in an interview. “He cannot serve two masters, working for a pro-union candidate and working for anti-union companies.”

In the letter, Mr. Hoffa and Mr. Raynor said, “It is with distress that we write you today,” adding that they valued Mrs. Clinton’s positions on many worker-related issues.

They said the public relations firm’s “activities in the effort to undermine workers’ right to organize at Cintas, a campaign our unions are involved in, is particularly disheartening.” Four years ago, the two unions began a major drive to unionize 17,000 workers at the Cintas Corporation, the nation’s largest uniform rental company. Cintas, helped by Burson-Marsteller, has responded with a vigorous - and thus far successful - effort to resist unionization.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/05/1682/

[cottonseed]

20. Those are just words.

All her actions and the guy she's married to say otherwise.

[H2O Man]

14. In the last 7 years alone,

the United States has lost one in six manufactoring jobs. That is what NAFTA has done. And the sad truth is that President Bill Clinton worked with his republican friends to pass NAFTA.

[carlotta]

17. Well here's an Obama NAFTA quote for you

Speaking in Illinois in 2004 Obama said the United States "benefited enormously" from exports under NAFTA and talked about the need to continue to pursue trade agreement like NAFTA that support "a system of free trade in this nation that allows us to move our products overseas."

[Avalux]

21. You'll need to post the link for that -

otherwise it's worthless.

[tishaLA]

23. you' ll notice he is talking about agreements

"like NAFTA" that help the US, not that make us a weaker trading partner. He wants agreements that help us with exporting, not ones that weaken us and make jobs the only thing we export.

[sandnsea]

25. He believes in trade

But opposes the trade agreements that did not and do not have the labor and environmental regulations IN the agreement, enforceable in the agreement.

[stahbrett]

27. That's not a quote

That's selective quoting. Instead of copying/pasting from a pro-Hillary website, why don't you provide the full quote?

[amborin]

22. anyone who knows ANY history, knows it was Bush, SR who authored Nafta

in any case, as the NY Times reports today, and as many already know....nafta is not nearly as bad for the us as many dems claim

the real problem is weak unions

you can't shut out the entire world

[dkf]

30. GM is making the new Chevy Camaro in Canada not in the US.

Canada has the advantage of national health care, making GMs employment costs lower.

All our older Cos are collapsing under the strain of health care where the US at a competitive disadvantage.

[amborin]

36. that's why you need to vote for Hilllary

the big three (the big two for years) were making vehicles in canada for over two decades

lower labor costs a big factor

when will people realize only Hillary has the solution for health care in the US?

it's not only crucial for people's personal health

but for the health of our national industries

[nomatrix123]

35. This was Reagan idea from 1979

http://www.ontheissues.org/Ronald_Reagan.htm
-SNIP-
"Reagan himself was a dreamer, capable of imagining a world without trade barriers. In announcing his presidential candidacy in Nov. 1979, he had proposed a “North American accord” in which commerce & people would move freely across the borders of Canada & Mexico. This idea, largely overlooked or dismissed as a campaign gimmick in the US, rankled nationalist sensibilities in the neighboring nations. But Reagan was serious in his proposal." Though he traveled only once outside the North American continent during his first 57 years, he was neither insular nor isolationist. California has windows to the world in Asia, and Reagan thought of the US as a Pacific power as well as an Atlantic one. He also had a Californian’s consciousness of Mexico and an actor’s appreciation of Canadians, who are well-represented in the film community. The dream of a North American accord would drive the successful pursuit of a US-Canadian free trade agreement (signed by Reagan Jan.1988)and a future-oriented “framework” trade agreement with Mexico"

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1079/is_n2132_v88/ai_6536491

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1968.html

"The NAFTA agreement among Canada, the United States, and Mexico, was signed by President George H.W. Bush in 1992. However, it still had to be approved by Congress. A tough battle ensued despite high-level support in both major parties.
The following year, President Bill Clinton mustered all of his political clout to push the measure through Congress. The office of Republican representative Gerald Solomon of New York circulated a list of some 37 special side deals and pork barrel projects the Clinton Administration used to buy passage of the trade agreement. The president's November 17th political victory in the House of Representatives arrived by a 234 to 200 vote."

No matter how this gets portrayed, it was the GOP's baby. It's always dumped on Clinton as his idea, but this is how was started, then he can be blamed for pushing it through.

[amborin]

37. totally unfair

to blame clinton

I have posted this many times

it was reagan's idea...

then the accord was written up by bush, sr., salinas and mulroney

clinton demanded side agreements on labor and environ

[ORDem]

38. So? Does that mean that the next President can't repeal, say, FISA?

Your argument makes no sense. No President is under an obligation to continue any wrong-headed policies of the previous administration.

[carlotta]

28. Here's someone who gets it right...please read

"While claiming that he has "consistently" opposed NAFTA, Obama voted for the Peru trade deal. He has not called for the United States to withdraw from NAFTA or GATT. According to his own campaign's website, Obama is calling for changes to be made to NAFTA-- the same position he is criticizing Clinton for taking. Obama has not so much consistently opposed NAFTA as much as he might have consistently proposed tinkering with it. To me, that is a big difference from someone who has "consistently opposed" something. People who oppose abortion don't talk about reforming it; they talk about ending it.

Besides the Peru trade deal, Obama has supported other "free trade" deals presented to the Senate during his brief term."

http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/obamas_misleading_mailer_on_nafta_hits_ohio

[dkf]

29. I don't think he is criticizing Clinton for her current position on

NAFTA, just her past support...

Again, it goes back to judgment and if you are able to correctly navigate a course for the country.

[TexasObserver]

39. Hillary is so busted on NAFTA, and at the debate, he'll eat her lunch on it.

[Forkboy]

40. One of her troubles is she can't attack him on much that doesn't apply to her also.

The other trouble is she decided negative was the way to go, which only works when your own negative numbers are low. Because going that route will raise your negatives as well as your opponents, and she had no wiggle room on that to start with.