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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:24 PM
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Hillary could pull out a "win" after all
In the Washington State primary (having no effect on delegate selection) she's leading 49-48%

nb - even in an inconsequential primary, the Dems or whomping the republicans in turnout...
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:26 PM
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1. no comment
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:28 PM
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2. WHAT?
I'm so confused and hungry--I thought the WA primary was for the GOP only.
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thesubstanceofdreams Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:29 PM
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4. There's a "beauty contest" primary for Dems

State laws require a primary, so we have this entirely non-counting primary going on.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:30 PM
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6. Hillary better not claim victory in this one....
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:48 PM
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25. Why not? Caucuses are bogus, even if that's where the delgates were chosen
It's an archaic 19th Century process that disenfranchises large portions of the population, is amenable to out of state (or out of party) manipulation and favors the candidate with the most enthusiastic (not the most) supporters.

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:29 PM
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5. Its one of those "don't count" things that Hillary likes to claim victory in.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:29 PM
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3. Even though it doesn't count, I'd bet there's higher turnout for this "inconsquential primary"
than for the Obamacaucus in Washington earlier.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:30 PM
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7. Oh for god's sakes.. here we go again. WA COUNTS NOW !!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:33 PM
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11. So WA counts again? What is with the Hillarite obsession with zero-delegate contests?
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:38 PM
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16. Yeah, that's just our own personal obsession with, you know, like -- actual Democratic VOTERS???
Like in Florida? Just a quirky little thing we've got going.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:41 PM
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18. Yeah, obsessed with the voters in non-contests. Couldn't give a fuck about red-state Dem voters,
Dem caucus voters, or independent voters, though.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:31 PM
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8. well see. I'm sure many voters decided not to show up for this since the caucuses
choose the delegates.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:32 PM
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9. Over 200,000 votes cast with 75% of precincts left
This doesn't officially count but the will of voters is always important. This is more legit than the caucus they had with 500 people.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:34 PM
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12. Moving the goalposts again
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:37 PM
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15. Sorry - calling bullshit on that
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 11:39 PM by RiverStone
As a Washingtonian - I already participated in the caucuses.

The primary on the Dems side is a beauty contest that does not reflect many of us who already participated in the OFFICIALLY recognized process. I did not vote. Why vote at all - it DOES NOT COUNT.

The only reason anybody is voting is the pukes DO COUNT their primary and all names still appear on the ballots. Why? Ask the Secretary of State here in WA??? Yea, it's fucked up.

It is confusing that each state party does it differently; but please don't suggest this vote is more legit than the legit caucuses.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:43 PM
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20. So why are Democrats showing up today? For fun?
Relax. Obama is up by 3 now anyway.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:52 PM
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26. Mail in ballots are easy...
Yea, it's pretty easy to relax tonight....:boring:
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:40 PM
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17. 500 people? Are you kidding? They had record turnouts
for their caucus
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:44 PM
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21. Obama is ahead in the Washington primary now. n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:55 PM
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27. 500 people in the Washington State caucuses?
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:32 PM
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10. I live in Washington and she already LOST 68% to 32%
I was very active in the caucuses and nobody I know is voting in this bullshit Dem primary that DOES NOT COUNT! It is nothing more than a beauty contest and not many Dems are playing.

In only "counts" on the puke side.

Weird - yes. Each party has their own process.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:36 PM
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13. whah?? She lost?
why are they not reporting it that way? they are saying its too close to call.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:41 PM
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19. I'm referring to the caucuses - they are long over.
IGNORE the Dem primary vote - it does not count nor does it reflect the public sentiment.

Most of us Dems are not bothering to vote - it means exactly ZERO.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:36 PM
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14. I bet this primary doesn't matter anymore to jackson_dem
now that Obama is in the lead.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:44 PM
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22. I didn't say Washington didn't matter on Feb. 9 Fr...
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 11:45 PM by jackson_dem
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:44 PM
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23. OBAMA ahead by 3 points now
lol
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:48 PM
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24. Another fleeting glimpse of how it looks to be ahead
Then falling back into the doldrums of being second -- again.
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