They cut Hillary's speech on CSPAN because Obama couldn't wait. What Fucks.

[bigtree]

[THUNDER HANDS]

1. to the victor goes the spoils

[bigtree]

9. I don't like the politics your're selling

[Skip Intro]

14. neither do I

horrible crash coming, I say

[THUNDER HANDS]

17. winning?

i understand how that can be foreign to Clinton supporters. It has been a while.

[bigtree]

23. the gloating is pathetic and immature

transparent and arrogant. I'm glad that supporters on this discussion board don't represent the Obama campaign.

[THUNDER HANDS]

27. its a fact that Obama won

and the winner gets to choose when they want to give their speech. They owe nothing to a challenger who doesn't acknowledge their loss...or even acknowledge their own supporters.

[bigtree]

31. I don't like the politics you're selling

[THUNDER HANDS]

36. bill murray, is that you?

[rodeodance]

38. you do not reflect well on your camp with your pettyness

[Moochy]

53. perhaps but it is fun!

mmm crow.

[surfermaw]

60. I am with you let the gloating go.. We have to beat McCain remember three republican Adm.& then a

Great depression, remember he isn't gloating over his win, actually I think he was humble.

[grantcart]

58. some people don't realize that this actually is the big leagues

[Political Heretic]

71. Don't be an ass.

It would be nice of my fellow obama people could try to show that they have a little more maturity

[krkaufman]

92. I agree. "To the winner goes the spoils" is definitely not a justification...

... but stepping on a concession speech lacking concession or congratulations, if I've heard correctly, would seem perfectly reasonable.

My history tells me that the victor gives a victory speech, and the loser(s) give concession speeches. That's the way it has worked. The networks don't have an obligation to carry any of the speeches, but I expect that they're operating under this old premise.

As for the Obama campaign starting early, I doubt that they felt they needed to sit back, following their victory, and listen to their candidate be denigrated. If the Clinton camp opted to breach traditional conduct, the Obama campaign can't really be faulted for responding.

[jbnow]

96. Did you see the Clinton press release

saying her speech would be at 8:30
Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:26 PM

From NBC's Mark Murray
The Clinton campaign has released excerpts of the speech Hillary Clinton will give tonight at 8:30 pm ET from Youngstown, OH. And, according to these excerpts, she doesn't mince words when talking about Obama.

He then announced he'd start at 9:30.
He had 20,000 people waiting.
She started late.
He started on time.

Here are some of the excerpts
I realize she's campaigning but had he not started on time this would be what we heard from her just before his speech started

Both Senator Obama and I would make history. But only one of us is ready on day one to be commander in chief, ready to manage our economy, and ready to defeat the Republicans. Only one of us has spent 35 years being a doer, a fighter and a champion for those who need a voice. That is what I would bring to the White House. That is the choice in this election.

It’s about picking a president who relies not just on words – but on work, hard work, to get America back to work. Someone who’s not just in the speeches business – but will get America back in the solutions business…

[Peregrine Took]

28. Once more he comes across as personally petty and small.

[Straight Shooter]

44. Do you understand the meaning of that phrase, Magic Rat?

Because I don't think you do.

"During a Congressional debate in 1831 a New York senator, William L. Marcy, used the phrase "to the victor belong the spoils." This saying accurately described the spoils system of appointing government workers. Each time a new administration came into power thousands of public servants were discharged and members of the victorious political party took over their jobs."

"In the politics of the United States, a spoils system refers to an informal practice by which a political party, after winning an election, gives government jobs to its voters as a reward for working toward victory, and as an incentive to keep working for the party—as opposed to a system of awarding offices on the basis of some measure of merit independent of political activity (merit system)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system

The bush administration is run on the spoils system. Party loyalty over merit.

[THUNDER HANDS]

45. interesting

I didn't know the origin of that, no.

thanks

:hi:

[Straight Shooter]

47. Wikipedia is our friend.

:hi:

[TheDonkey]

97. LOL

Straight to the point you are. ;)

[high density]

2. When you lose, that's what happens.

Welcome to the real world.

[Alexander]

3. Hillary didn't even mention Wisconsin. How classy.

I guess they don't count.

[jasmine621]

6. You won't know until you hear her entire speech. nt

[Alexander]

16. I'm watching. Still no mention.

[rodeodance]

34. SHE SAID THANKS TO WISCONSIN.

[dchill]

73. She had PLENTY of time...

to thank the people of Wisconsin AND congratulate Sen. Obama. She didn't, and it's positively graceless.

[jillan]

11. She thanked them -

And why didn't Obama stay in Wisconsin to thank them??

[muntrv]

37. Because he was in Wisconsin BEFORE the primary while HRC was working TX. Besides, he thanked

the Wisconsin voters in his speech at the Toyota Center.

[GoldieAZ49]

62. Hillary was in OHIO not Wisconsin

FYI, because you certainly wouldn't have any double standards, now would you???

[rodeodance]

30. SHE SAID THANK YOU TO THE PEOPLE OF WISCONSIN. --GET IT

[krkaufman]

94. And congratulated Obama on his win? n/t

[Webster Green]

4. She was giving an irrelevent stump speech..

Surprising they let her go on and on like that.

[Cha]

5. Too fucking bad for fucking

hilary.

[bigtree]

20. Too bad for her supporters

the ones Obama will expect to get behind him if he advances. But, I suppose he doesn't need them. This is some new, immature shit to jump in front of the rival's speech, among Democrats.

'New Tone'

[Moochy]

57. Check your facts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4671321

[TwilightGardener]

7. She's giving a stump speech. It could go on a long time. He has a schedule to keep.

He IS the victor.

[Windy]

8. His rally was scheduled at a certain time. This was NOT a victory speech in and of itself

be realistic!!!

Hillary should have acknowledged his win. If ths shoe was on the other foot, he would have!

[TomInTib]

10. She lost

Cut to the winner...

That's how it works, bigtree.

But I know how you feel.

Tom

[Hepburn]

12. Take a clue....

...who fucking cares, OK?

[RummyTheDummy]

13. I know, isn't it wonderful?

I haven't had a good gut laugh like this in ages.

[Peregrine Took]

29. Sore winners may come to regret their silliness next November.

[RummyTheDummy]

33. I'll be proud of him either way.

That's what you Clinton loons don't get. At any rate, he'll run a better campaign than she would have. That much is CLEAR.

[milkyway]

84. Sore losers certainly would. Hillary and Penn have burned so many bridges with so many

states that it's hard to see how she could win in November. She rarely acknowledges states in which she's lost, and Hillary and her campaign have made it clear that she regards dozens of states insignificant.

[HeraldSquare212]

15. He's given up pimetime often enough.

Why should he be penalized for being the winner?

[knowledgeispwr]

18. Hillary didn't make a concession speech.

She's stumping. Why should she get special coverage when she isn't even acknowledging Wisconsin?

[TwilightGardener]

19. Right. Why does an ordinary campaign rally get special coverage?

[bigtree]

21. on C-span? Maybe for your money networks

[stevietheman]

22. Lady Hindenburg crashed and burned tonight... get OOOOver it. n/t

n/t

[bigtree]

24. get over yourself.

[tammywammy]

25. So because Hillary's running behind

Obama should make his audience wait longer?

[Straight Shooter]

46. I thought that's all they wanted, was to be in his presence a little longer.

Or are they just impatient to gloat?

I would think there should be less gloating, lest you jinx yourself. There was a tremendous amount of gloating in 2000 and 2004, especially the night of the election. Maybe I'm just superstitious, but the laws of karma really frown on gloating.

[tammywammy]

50. Doors opened in Houston at 6

It was 8:30 Central Time when he started. How much longer should they have to wait because Hillary's running behind?

And please point out specifically where I'm "gloating."

[RiverStone]

67. Even her former press mgr. on MSNBC said...

It was a brilliant move by Obama.

He needs to act like a winner - and since she did not recognize or concede the last time she lost (3 states) why wait???

[ROakes1019]

26. etiquette

This is the proper political etiquette, as Keith Olbermann said. When the winner comes on, the loser, who in this case wasn't even giving a concession speech, yields, or is supposed to.

[Cha]

32. What a Fuck hilary is..she never

congratulates Obama on his wins..hilary has no class and all these people whining that ol' hilary was interupted when you wouldn't give a shit if Obama were interupted.

[rodeodance]

54. She said thank you to the people of wisconsin. Stop whining

[GoldieAZ49]

66. No she didn't, they are talking about her never mentioning WI

by the news casters now. She was an hour late also.

Your whining and lying at the same time. hmmmm, now who does that remind me of???

[rodeodance]

76. i was listening to abc. They are wrong. period

[GoldieAZ49]

95. and I was watching online, now on CNN

Anderson Copper is saying the same thing with the woman that was there, she thanked the marching band at the school, but not WI voters, volunteers or congrats to Obama.

spin it if you must, it will be available on cspan.org if anyone cares to look for themselves.

[totodeinhere]

70. No, it's the Clinton supporters who should stop whining.

And complaining. The Clinton supporters have got to get behind our likely nominee for the good of the party and for the sake of our chances in November. And the Clintons have got to stop the negative advertising. They are just giving the repukes campaign material.

[rodeodance]

78. still Whining I see.

[Hippo_Tron]

35. Hillary should've started her speech earlier

[Renew Deal]

40. It was scheduled an hour earlier.

Oh well.

[Renew Deal]

39. That's terrific

She's a 9 time loser. Obviously more people want to hear Obama.

[book_worm]

41. Get a grip. They have rallies in both Ohio and TX and it's up to the media

who they cover.

[totodeinhere]

72. Exactly. If Clinton is so good then why didn't the news channels stick with her speech?

[Hill_YesWeWill]

42. well, it makes sense, he won the contest today, maybe she should've given her speech sooner! nt

[rodeodance]

43. SHE looked good -upbeat---ALL-FIRED UP.

[Straight Shooter]

49. Thanks for that comment, rodeodance. Always darkest before the F'ing dawn, ain't it?

:toast:

[rodeodance]

55. guess so, I am down-cause of the brutal attacks on her here on DU--she was

predicted to lose wisconsin all along. so that was no surprize.

[faithfulcitizen]

56. hey..... was that racist?

:hide:








....just kidding. :rofl:

[Johnny__Motown]

48. She was an hour late, maybe if she started on time for a change they would have covered her

[NoBorders]

51. She shouldn't have started her speech with an attack

Not even a congrats. I felt bad at first that he did that, but clearly she was just using the opportunity to throw in some attacks and roll into her stump speech.

[XemaSab]

52. That's funny, I spent a half hour watching 20,000 people in Houston

goofing off waiting for Obama to come on.

I think it was good of him not to wait and to come out and speak to his supporters. :shrug:

[zulchzulu]

59. When they saw she was too cowardly to congratulate Obama, they said to hell with her

Her speech sucked anyway.

[GoldieAZ49]

61. BULLSHIT HILLARY STARTED AN HOUR LATE

Sen. Hillary Clinton will hold a rally at 8:30 p.m. at Chaney High School, 731 S. Hazelwood Avenue, Youngstown.

Doors open at 7:00 p.m.

Free and open to the public.

Ohio is eastern time zone. Obama started speaking at 8:30 Central time (9:30 eastern).

So save your insults for Hillary, who left all those ppl waiting for an additional hour.

[meow mix]

63. hillary didnt concede and she got nasty... so they snuffed her

thats what happened, period.

[Kaylee]

65. That's what Russert just said....

The Obama camp graciously said, "You first", but when Clinton didn't concede and proceeded to stump....they knocked her off the air. Very smart.

The Clinton's will have a hard time making political hay out of this, since they look so ungracious with failing to concede (multiple times).

[GoldieAZ49]

68. She was an hour late

Sen. Hillary Clinton will hold a rally at 8:30 p.m. at Chaney High School, 731 S. Hazelwood Avenue, Youngstown.

Doors open at 7:00 p.m.

Free and open to the public.

Ohio is eastern time zone. Obama started speaking at 8:30 Central time (9:30 eastern).

[rodeodance]

81. this a primary season. Who made a rule for consession. GET REAL

[CreekDog]

64. Explain to me when she conceded prior to his speech?

just sayin'

[GoldieAZ49]

69. she never mentioned WI

no congrats to Obama, no thank you to the voters or volunteers in WI

some class act, eh?

[CreekDog]

74. How many times has she done it this way? A bunch right?

She's looking to change things, why not this, couldn't hurt. :shrug:

[rodeodance]

80. YOU missed IT----she said thanks to the people of WI.

[marshall]

75. They realized it wasn't a concession speech

That's the only thing the media wants to hear from her now.

[eleny]

77. Sorry, but it is his night

[ShortnFiery]

79. Sorry, HRC and her surrogates have been so viciously mean-spirited ...

:rofl:

[milkyway]

82. She didn't give a concession speech. He gave a victory speech.

[DUyellow]

83. Agree

[NeedleCast]

85. This Thread is a Great Example of Why we Lose

General elections.

Wow. Just wow. I hope many of you (both Obama and Hillary supporters alike) will be as embarrassed as you should be about threads like this in the morning. But you wont be...

[Horse with no Name]

88. And we will lose big. Of that I have no doubts.

Hubris will get you every time.

[NeedleCast]

90. I Still Think We'll Win the GE

If primary turnout is any indication. I just hate seeing threads like this. Nothing more than gloating assholes vs sore losers. Nothing good comes of it.

[AtomicKitten]

86. The third completely graceless lack of a concession speech and she's out ...

[Hieronymus]

87. She rushed to get on ahead of Obama ... Pity.

[LordJFT]

89. how sour are those grapes?

[SoCalDem]

91. A concession speech is short, to the point and over

Apparently when she gave her regular speech and made no mention of a concession, they decided to cut out to the acceptance speech.

With 20K people waiting patiently, I guess they waited as long as they could:)

[boppers]

93. Trying to control your opponent's message...

By trying to *over-run* their schedule. Real nice tactic, that.

Let me guess who the "victim" is.... I think I might be able to figure it out...