Does anyone have one goddamn shred of proof that Clinton's money trouble was staged?

[bigtree]

The entire notion that they'd make their campaign look so weak, days after WINNING the bulk of the Super Tuesday delegates, just to juke someone out or spark donations, is ludicrous.

The most reasonable explanation is right in front of us. The surge in donations has erased any need to furlough staffers or cancel advertising. The campaign NEVER said they were broke. They admitted Hillary loaned the campaign money to help them keep their advantage before the ST contests. And, it makes sense that they'd have an increase in support after her excellent showing Tuesday.

I think what's hilarious is, her detractors thought they could humiliate and demoralize her supporters by squeezing the info from the campaign and getting her to admit to the loan. The effect was the opposite. Supporters flocked to her aid. Now, the same detractors want us to believe that it was Hillary who orchestrated all of this. It's her critics and opponent's own manipulative politicking which awakened her supporters to her side.

I hope we can expect more of this type of brilliance from these amateur opposition hacks. It can only rally more voters to her historic campaign.

[displacedtexan]

1. They did the same thing to us Kerry supporters.

Why should this year be any different?

[northzax]

18. but all the Kerry people work for Obama

so...

[jsamuel]

2. No.

The only reason it got out that they had taken the loan was because they were asked a direct question from a reporter. The staff OFFERED to go without pay as well. Clinton did not let them go without pay and took out a loan. The donors heard about it after the campaign answered the reporter. After having donated to Clinton, the campaign is doing better and can now afford to do some advertising in other states.

[BeyondGeography]

15. And they're always happy to answer direct questions from reporters

You are so far gone.

[bigtree]

20. that's PROOF? You're not even in the ballpark.

[BeyondGeography]

22. I don't give a shit either way

but the fact that they broke with tradition and gave a straight answer to a reporter's question about it proves nothing.

[bigtree]

23. whatever. is there anything serious you wanted to discuss?

Or is this just another mindfuck?

[BeyondGeography]

24. You should be used to it

being a supporter of Mr. and Mrs. Mindfuck.

[bigtree]

frick off.

manipulator.

[BeyondGeography]

32. They do a lot of that, too

[jsamuel]

25. actually, their first answer was "I don't know", so you are right, they weren't straight at first

but then they got back to them and told them that they had taken the loan

Please do call me "so far gone". No need for nastiness.

[HeraldSquare212]

3. I think they're referencing Wolfson's remarks, which appear to raise the possibility. nt

See the OP with cites and links here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4464637

[bigtree]

5. I saw that. What a twist to make your point. Possibility? Not even close to some ruse.

this isn't journalism, it's hackery.

[HeraldSquare212]

6. Hey, don't shoot the messenger! nt

[bigtree]

19. sorry, steaming . . .

[tekisui]

4. I don't think it was orchestrated. Obviously, she wouldn't tap into

her own money, unless she needed to. I think it did ignite a spur to action. And, that in a way made it a good thing for her. I'm sure this was Penn's way of putting a healthy spin on it, like a rally cry. And it seems to have worked. She has gotten big money.

[Tennessee Gal]

7. Good post.

Very reasonable - something that is lacking here recently.

[John Q. Citizen]

8. If Hill wouldn't hide her tax returns from the voters, I'm sure we could clear this up.

[MonkeyFunk]

13. Her tax returns

wouldn't cover this.

The campaign is separate from her personal finances.

[John Q. Citizen]

35. We'd know the original source of the 5 million maybe. I think non disclosure is immoral.

The fact that she said she would disclose if she won the nomination tells me there is stuff in there that she believes would hurt her chances to get the nomination.

But once she's annointed, then it will be too late, because what are Dems supposed to do, vote for McCain?

It's so typically Clinton, it makes me sick.

[Bread and Circus]

9. It all smells very fishy, don't you think?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. not really

[mckeown1128]

10. No one squeezed the loan info out of them as you have said...

they were flat out bragging about their "tactic" earlier today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4464637

[bigtree]

17. that doesn't show any "bragging about their "tactic". you're lying

or illiterate.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

11. no, its all wild speculation presented as fact.

[Auntie Bush]

16. AS USUAL!

[Auntie Bush]

14. This is typical Obamite posting. They make up a LIE or distort the facts or

read their own personal thoughts and post them as if it was true regarding Hillary. They all think they are psychic and know what Hillary and the party thinks. They need to take their tinfoil hats off and listen to what is really happening.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

21. They dream this stuff up and believe that...

if they post it over and over while clicking their heels ... they'll open their eyes and it will be true.

*I got this from the same source they use so often.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

26. LOL!

[joshcryer]

27. She was having money trouble all night according to them, now she never had money troubles...

...according to them! It's completely assinine!

[bigtree]

29. It's like dealing with an idiot liar

I'm scooting . . . .

[adapa]

28. from the AP, Aid offered to forgo $$, it was declined today when the money started to come in

Clinton acknowledged Wednesday that she loaned her campaign $5 million late last month as Obama was outraising and outspending her heading into the Feb. 5 Super Tuesday contests. Some senior staffers on her campaign offered to voluntarily forgo paychecks as the campaign heads into the next round of contests, but Clinton aides said Thursday the offers were declined and all salaries would be paid.

[ronnykmarshall]

30. It was on a BLOG???

Um hello? A BLOG !!!! Isn't that good enough for you smarty pants???

SHEESH!!!

:sarcasm:

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

31. Even if it was true, It was SMART! Im donating again!

[Zenlitened]

33. DUers don't need proof. Opinion = "fact" around here.

Speculation = iron=clad "truth" and poorly-reasoned fantasies are As Real As Real Can Be.

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[KennedyGuy]

34. Proof? Movements do not require proof..just a "feeling"

[gulliver]

36. It's just an incredibly dumb idea.

Anyone who thinks Hillary or her people would do such a stupid thing for such a stupid reason is just plain too stupid to be voting. I'm sorry. There is no other word for it. Just plain stupid.

[Yossariant]

37. No. No one does. The MSM gets more scared every day. They know sh'e going to win.

[KoKo]

38. Doubtable...they just do the Opposition Post and figure they are golden

and that it will cause a "food fight" and few will ask for verification. :-(