Is Hillary the real underdog?

[jackson_dem]

1) The media is foursquare in Obama's corner.

http://www.cmpa.com/election%20news%202_1_08.htm

Whether coverage of the candidates was positive or negative.

Obama: 47% positive, 16% negative.
Clinton: 27% positive, 38% negative.
McCain: 12% positive, 48% negative
Giuliani: 28% positive, 37% negative
JDNE

Net numbers

Obama +31
Giuliani -9
Clinton -11
McCain -36

http://www.journalism.org/node/8187

These above numbers from the first five months of the campaign. If anyone has a newer study post it. There is little reason to believe the tenor of reporting changed from that point until Iowa. Since then as the sniping has escalating the positive numbers for each candidate must have dropped, with the brief exception of the media orgasm for Obama after Iowa and McCain's favorable coverage since New Hampshire.

Newspaper endorsements



2) Every endorsement from an elected official of national significance since Iowa has went to Obama, with the exception of Maxine Waters.

3) Obama raised $20 million more than Hillary last month.

The only advantage Hillary has remaining is her last name, but we all know how that is both a blessing and a curse. Hillary is losing some votes because people want "change" and having another member of one couple back in the White House doesn't qualify as change to some folks.

[jlake]

1. Of those left standing, yes she is.

As you know all to well JEDNE

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Senator Obama Has Stood On The Shoulders Of A Fawning Press

We will soon learn if that was enough...

[Buzz Clik]

7. Damn you biased media!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. I Guess You Were Ok When They Reamed Gore

And they didn't even offer him some lube or kiss him after it was over..

[Buzz Clik]

24. We're talking about Al Gore now? Shall we bring up John Kerry while we're at it?

Richard Nixon -- God knows that press hated him.

How about Bobby Knight? Bobby Fisher, Fidel Castro, Kruschev, Stalin, and Jesse "The Body" Ventura.

I'd prefer we just stick to Obama.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. "I'd prefer we just stick to Obama. "

So do I...He was the beneficiary of a fawning press...

This has been established anecdotally and empirically...

[Buzz Clik]

29. Gawd.

And the knuckledraggers are convinced that Bush was crucified in the press.

You cannot "prove" media bias -- anecdotally or empirically.

I can't believe anyone is trying to claim "underdog" status for Hillary or make some bizarre claim of media bias against her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Media Bias Is Measured All The Time

All you need to do is catalog every reference to a politician and determine if that reference is positive or negative...

In the 00 campaign Bush* was the beneficiary of positive press coverage...

[butterfly77]

44. Dan Abrams did a segment on this last night,,,

He said watch the media today and how they cover the returns, he said not to listen and gave tips on how to discern the difference in the coverage. Of course that won't be very hard to do I have been watching it for months now. I just heard ed shultz whining about how the media is being unfair to Obama by asking him certain questions. I listened to him yesterday and he gets angry if someone calls him on his bias then he shouts them down, anyone can see what he is doing if they really were telling the truth, but as we know they can't handle the truth.

[scheming daemons]

3. Positive message leads to positive coverage....

....conversely, playing dirty (a la WJC in SC) leads to negative coverage.


You get the coverage you deserve. Obama has DESERVED more positive coverage, because his campaign doesn't resort to dirty political tricks (push polling, negative robocalls) and is just about his vision.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. So Gore Deserved Getting Fucking Trashed And Raped In The Press?

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[jackson_dem]

10. Hillary ran the most positive campaign at the beginning of 2007

Yet her coverage was as bad as Giuliani's while Obama got by far the best coverage of any candidate running. What is the real reason the media supports Obama?

[Buzz Clik]

30. This is your biased opinion.

One thing is certain -- her "positive" campaign was possible and preferred when she had a 30 point lead on her nearest competitor. That changed when things got tough in Iowa.

[jackson_dem]

37. It's the truth for the reason you just stated

She ran the most positive campaign early on because she had no reason to go negative. Bias? I supported Edwards. Edwards and Obama both went negative early out of necessity. Giuliani also ran a positive campaign in the beginning, and actually never really went after his opponents during his entire candidacy yet he didn't get the lopsided positive press Obama got.

[Buzz Clik]

4. No.

Name recognition: Clinton
Establish political connections at the time of announcing candidacy: Clinton
Early fund raising: Clinton

etc, etc, etc.

Now, it's a real race. Nobody is the underdog. We have two final candidates, and we'll enjoy seeing who wins.

[jackson_dem]

12. Obama has 97% name recognition. Why do Obamites pretend he is unknown?

Hillary is the underdog now by all indicators.

[Buzz Clik]

20. self delete (dupe)

[jackson_dem]

23. Obama 2008 is McCain 2000 in terms of media support

He did start behind Hillary but he quickly made up for it by having the media on his side, like McCain did. The difference between McCain 2000 and Obama 2008 is that McCain never got the party establishment to rally behind him like Obama has and McCain never outraised Bush by $20 million in January of 2000.

[Buzz Clik]

26. Poor Hillary. Shall we shed a genuine tear?

[jackson_dem]

36. A tear for democracy

The same media who are bringing us Obama brought us Bush.

[Buzz Clik]

21. I was referring to when the two announced.

Hillary was the presumed nominee -- inevitable was a term often used to describe her chances at being nominated.

If she's struggling now, I guess you could call that being the underdog, but no moreso than calling Mitt Romney the underdog. If you had all the momentum once and now you don't, we have different words to describe your condition.

[TexasObserver]

5. Disliked? Yes. Underdog? No.

She's on the verge of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, by orchestrating one of the worst campaigns a well funded front runner has had in a long time.

[Bread and Circus]

16. bingo.

[UALRBSofL]

6. I think Clinton is the underdog

After today she will have a lot of work to do.

[avaistheone1]

42. The media is always dissing Hillary.

I think HIlary is clearly the underdog.

[katty]

8. yes, Clinton is not the slam dunk-Obama has been crowned

by the media-so far.

[Uncle Sinister]

11. excellent post. I knew the MSM had annointed Obama, nice to see the numbers

[TheDebbieDee]

13. Hillary is being "Gored" and it really pi$$es me off!

At the beginning of January I was all for Sen. John Edwards, but the way Hillary's image was crucified between Iowa and New Hampshire put me in her corner.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. They Ignored Edwards, Trashed Hillary, And Deified Obama

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[tandem5]

17. she truly is nt

[Bread and Circus]

18. have you been under a rock since 2004? Clinton's "experience"

and "inevitable status" have been exalted since the last primary season. Even then she "outpolled" Kerry and the rest.

Obama has done the near impossible and that is challenge her.

She's still almost a near lock and it's not Obama's fault he gets 15,000 to 18,000 people rallies.

[jackson_dem]

22. Show us some data. I did.

"Hoping" Obama is not the establishment candidate isn't enough.

[Buzz Clik]

27. You showed data that the media have exalted Obama? I haven't seen it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. Maybe You Should Have Looked Harder

Hillary Clinton is getting the worst press and Barack Obama the best press of any major presidential candidate, and Bill Clinton is also getting negative reviews, while the gap in good press between John McCain and Mitt Romney is narrowing, according to a new study of TV news election coverage by the Center for Media and Public Affairs.

http://www.cmpa.com/election%20news%202_1_08.htm

Let me anticipate your response:

"The study is flawed"

OK...Now site a study that demonstrates the opposite...

[Bread and Circus]

31. you are smart enough to know anyone can "prove" anything with statistics....

and for you to deny Hillary's "inevitibility" meme in the media (that has been going on for years) is just laughable.

For a while I was taking you seriously.

Get real Jackson Dem. Your premise and conclusions don't even pass the smell test.

[jackson_dem]

38. That is why I included the newspaper endorsements. They speak for themselves and can't be twisted

[Kermitt Gribble]

19. Well,

DUers know the MSM is the voice of the reuke party. I guess Obama supporters will deny that now as well.

[HughMoran]

25. I think so. The odds are also against her winning today

See here -> http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/rasmussen_markets_democratic_presidential_primaries

California appears to be a loss and Obama is looking at 12 states at least.

[cottonseed]

32. She's whatever she needs to be

Including a Fox news debate participant:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Penn_More_debates.html

[mtnsnake]

33. Hillary Clinton has always been the underdog

It's amazing that she can do as well as she does because she doesn't have the backing of the corporate media like McCain and Obama do. She also has to fight the right wingers who hate the Democratic Party practically on her own. Add to that the idiocy of the outermost fringe elements of our own party who have nothing better to do with their time but sit in their cellars and make up lies about the Clintons, but never actually get out to do anything concrete that helps the Party.

The lady is remarkable and if she wins, you can truly say she defied the odds.

[themaguffin]

39. She is the incumbent and the Inevitable nominee. The media & her campaign told us this

She is no underdog. Sorry this has been in the works for years. It's too bad for them that they don't get that third term, but the Clintons are in fact poster of establishment, Democratic power, the DLC, the corporatate media, you name it - it's Clintons, not Obama.

It's a stunning achievement to get as far as he has.

[jackson_dem]

43. How about some evidence to support those Obamite talking points?

The Democratic establishment is behind Obama now. Every major Democratic endorsement has went to Obama since Iowa except for Maxine Waters. The media is behind Obama as the data in the OP shows. The DLC is neutral. Al From has praised both candidates because he knows they both believe in the DLC way.

[themaguffin]

46. two weeks tops her YEARS of being part of DNC/DLC elite?

Yeah ok.

And spare me the talking points bullshit. I called this shit out, period.

[jackson_dem]

40. Hillary is fighting a two front war and doing it well

Obama hasn't been tested so far, just like Kerry got a joy ride during the primaries in 2004. Whatever someone may think about Hill we know she will be able to fight the rethugs if she is the nominee.

[mtnsnake]

41. Yup, Hillary is battle tested and welcomes the fight that the Repukes will throw at her

The media knows that Hillary has the best chance of beating the Republican candidate, so they are doing everything in their power to get Obama into the General Election.

Once Obama gets the nomination, if he does, the media will turn on him like junkyard dogs, and Barack will be no match for McCain, who won't even work up a sweat as he coasts to the Presidency and we get 100 more years of war. Ugh

[demokatgurrl]

45. True...

this is what worries me about Obama. He's great now, while his honeymoon with the media lasts. But if he gets the nomination and the media dogs AND the repugs are out for his blood... will he fold, or be tough enough to take it?

[themaguffin]

47. The GOP is salivating to go against her. They falling apart, she will unite them

If she is the nominee, it will be 1972 revisited. It will be 1980 revisited. 1984. 1988.

We can't afford it.