I'm just a little concerned about the nostalgia connected with "Camelot"

[libertee]

I was a young adult at that time and it was not all a Disney life...I did have a husband in the Navy at the time of the Cuban flap and trust me it was a scary, scary time..Thank God, we did not have a Shrub in office at that time.....Some of us wouldn't be here. Research that time period..please..before you make decisions

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. And Ironically, Obama's platform is to discard the old, in with the new

while using the old WA insiders running his campaign, and the old dynasties: Kennedy.

[suston96]

2. Some may forget: "Camelot" was a stage musical, based on fiction.

[gulliver]

15. And it is a tragedy where the flaw in the hero is idealism and self-sacrifice.

If the play hadn't been such a hit as a play during the Kennedy years, no way would we even be talking about Camelot now.

[ursi]

31. Clintons tried to portray themselves as Camelot when they moved into the White House

the first time. How quickly the image was tarnished ...with issues like Vince Foster's suicide, healthcare arguments, gays in the military arguments ...and so it goes.

[Gloria]

3. Camelot was the image...the reality was of the

social problems was hidden...National Guard had to come out, though...

[Dogmudgeon]

4. When Hillary does it, it's a case of being trapped in the old ways

When Obama does it, it's honoring the wisdom of our predecessors.

--p!

[blm]

18. When Clintons do it it's called 'Coverupalot' because that is how we got Bush2

Clintons DO clean up after the Bushes, but not in any way that is good for democracy and open government.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

But they certainly are of great benefit for the secrecy and privilege of the powerful elite.

[Dogmudgeon]

27. Yet if he DID go after the Reagan criminals ...

... the anti-Clinton left would be screaming that he neglected to feed the hungry, house the poor, and raise the dead. They would claim that he had done the work of the elites anyway. Only the narrative would be different.

It doesn't matter; they made their minds up to hate him even before he was elected. The first anti-Clinton screed I read was a RW book called Big Sister Is Watching You (about Hillary) in 1991, but the first screed against Bill I read shortly thereafter in a Counterpunch-like lefty newsletter. (It may have even been Counterpunch, but it was long ago).

This is not to say that no one should be free from criticism. Bill made lots of mistakes, and just plain backed the wrong horses, such as NAFTA, GATT, and MAI. But the criticism from the left is often as fatuous as the criticism from the right. And still, the benefits of the Clinton administrations are ignored, forgotten, suppressed ...

... except in the minds of those of use whose lives were made better by them.

--p!

[blm]

28. What a crock. There would BE universal healthcare and healthy environment and

sustainable job growth because this country wouldn't have HAD a turnover of Congress in 94, or Bush2, or a growing global terrorism threat, or 9-11, or this Iraq war or our NEXT war with Iran.

Try on some PERSPECTIVE - your claim that opening the books on BCCI and iranContra dealings would have somehow meant that every domestic issue would be dead in the water is ABSURD.

And further - if he HAD held Reagan and Bush accountable for their crimes of office there would BE NO ANTI-CLINTON LEFT at all!

[Dogmudgeon]

30. Not at all

My point was that you (and many others) would STILL be ranting -- about something else that Clinton did or did not do.

There was an anti-liberal left long before Clinton came to town. They hated Truman, Stevenson, the Kennedys, Humphrey, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, and Gore. So if you want to shout at me to get some PERSPECTIVE, you could at least learn something about the history of the bourgeois left. It eats its own and shits on those who contribute, because they themselves have so far contributed nothing except shit.

As far as I know, there is no federal statute of limitations on grand felonies. Why not lead an effort to re-open the cases?

--p!

[blm]

32. Baloney - you're grasping and reaching because you know what I said is the truth.

.

[China_cat]

5. For a more balanced look at those days

may I recommend Seymour Hersh's "The Dark Side of Camelot".

[OHdem10]

6. JFK is one of my favoritesbut Camelot was invented long

after his deaqth.

[GalleryGod]

11. Actually Jackie with the help of Theodore H. White and Life Magazine

Started it all in Hyannis Port, at the Kennedy home on the night of November 29th,1963

[jimshoes]

7. I was only in 3rd grade at the time of

the Cuban missile crisis and yes, I am thankful that an idiot like the chimp was not in charge back then. But overall there was a feeling of vitality and good feelings about our country's future. I know the Camelot reference is overused and probably not exact in that things were not perfect but just recently I came across some old comedy albums that poked good natured fun at JFK, Jacqueline and even Caroline and the whole Camelot idea. JFK was even known to be amused by the ribbing and took it in the spirit in which it was intended, unlike the stuff that passes for wingnut humor these days.
JFK could play hardball though and really did not care for republicans all that much, (they didn't like him much either to be fair) but if I had a choice, I would wish that Kennedy had finished out his term and probably a second term. Things would be a lot different than they are now. I'm fairly certain of that.
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[izzie]

8. I do not think it is the 'time' but the mind set of these two men

I had a husband in the Navy at that time also and frankly the 60's were one wild time every place. I did not even vote for Kennedy but I see what they mean. It is a forward way to look and try new things and not pass back in to history I feel I want

[GalleryGod]

12. Yes! The Mind Set.

Teddy White, Jackie Kennedy, and a cover story for the December 2nd,1963 issue of "Life" magazine.
22,000 words...dictated from the Kennedy compound to Teddy White's "Life" Editors in NYC.

And...so it began, "for one brief,shining moment"

[dailykoff]

9. Not me. I want to bring it all back.

And the sooner the better! I loved that movie and I love seeing Caroline and Teddy out on the trail. This bodes very well for an Obama presidency. I'm sick of having the Kennedy memory distorted, exploited, and dragged through the mud by neocons and their ilk.

[GalleryGod]

13. Indeed. NOW...more than ever, Friend.

[dailykoff]

14. Great pic, and I think that's what it boils down to:

moral leadership. The facts that Obama is an outstanding orator and highly likable family man clinch the deal.

[GalleryGod]

10. Also, you may want to rent "13 Days", too. JUDGEMENT ! ALWAYS JUDGEMENT

Flash forward: 01/20/2009

[ladjf]

16. Screw Camelot. Let's just have some legal justice based on

the Constitution with no exceptions for the President.

[dailykoff]

17. "Might for right"

is how they put it in the movie. Yeah it's an entertainment, but I think it captures the sentiment you are expressing.

[globalvillage]

19. That's my favorite quote from the film.

"Not might is right. Might for right"

I think that was it. Love that flick.

[Seabiscuit]

20. Most Beloved First Family Ever:

[livetohike]

21. Wow, what a great picture

Thanks for posting it :-).

[libertee]

22. so much alike

and sadly...truly as scandalized as the Clintons..However they have been immortalized...Why is that..?

[Seabiscuit]

29. It might have something to do with this:

As well as the fact that during the Kennedy presidency we actually lived the dream of Camelot. It wasn't perfect, but it's the closest we've had to it since.

At 62, I'm speaking from personal experience of that era.

[Seabiscuit]

23. A few more:

[jasmine621]

24. He was great. But had he not been assassinated, a lot of thinking

would have been different about that era. I cried for days after his assassination. Still holds a spot in my heart and I stayed glued to the TV whenever there is anything about the Kennedys. But then I grew up. Studied a little history and read a lot. Viet Nam, mafia, rat pack, Bay of Pigs, adulterous affairs of all kinds. I'll just say this, JFK was lucky that he wasn't a child of a poor Arkansas working mother and alcoholic father and that the media was more about journalism than sensationalism.

[Armstead]

25. No More Mythical than the "Good Old 90's'

So much was swept under the rug in the 90's.

As for the early 60's I was coming of age then.

What I do remember most was the sense of a thawing of society, and a sense of hope and optimism combined with a tough-minded determination to solve deep seated problems.

JFK's assisination made thiunmgs turn darker, and it got out of hand in the latter 60's, but I do believe that we have to restore the sense of hope and purpose that the Kennedys emobodied in the Camelot era.

[blues90]

26. This country is so far from camelot that it renders it meaningless

And no new leader even comes close to ever be able to fall back into some fantasy world . The fantasy now is to think for a second that Obama walks on water of Hillary is a liberal .

When people wake up and realize these were picked candidates and this in no way makes either a great leader or honest and truthfull then perhaps some day if the US still exists at all there will be real elections with truth to be told . Not political games or popularity contests , truth .

[bluestateguy]

33. It's a Baby Boomer thing

I've never been able to understand that generation's obsession with the Kennedys. I support Obama for his stands on the issues and that he can win.