Why we can't just defeat Bush, we need to humiliate him.

[LuminousX]

I write this as a person who is lukewarm to Kerry. It is important that Bush loses this election by a wide margin. We need to give our Democratic nominee a significant mandate to fix what Bush has broken.

I keep thinking back to the negative mandate Bush had and how he still acted like he won with an amazing margin of victory. Kerry will need to overcome the psychological element that seems to run through D.C., which is Republican agenda is a more popular agenda. The best way to accomplish this is by giving Kerry the widest possible margin of victory we can muster. Bush's defeat can't be a simple defeat, it must be a humiliating defeat.

We can only do that if we play it smart. We can't let Bush slip by on lowered expectations. He promised 2.7 million jobs this year. So far he is breaking his promise. The negatives of Iraq are still far outweighing the positives of Iraq. His 'experienced foreign policy team' seems to be creating global chaos instead of global peace. Even after the Enron fiasco, the complete collapse of the corporate wall street culture, Bush is still letting corporations call the shots when it comes to public policy. That is contrary to the whole purpose of the U.S. government which is for the people, by the people, and of the people.

We can soundly defeat Bush. We can hand him a humiliating defeat and give a warning shot across the bow of the neo-con movement - there is a new sheriff in town.

[Joanne98]

1. Humiliated and in a "spider hole"

Send that message to Wall Street.

[xray s]

2. Don't forget the Republicans in the House and Senate

They have rubber stamped everything coming out of this extremist White House.

We need the House and Senate just as much as, or maybe more than, the White House.

[LuminousX]

4. Exactly

It is time to clean house. Someone else said it the other day and I will repeat it. I want to see DeLay on the run. We need TWO bus tickets back to Texas, one for Bush and one for the PoisonMan.

[HFishbine]

3. The only way this will happen

is if the dem candidate is willing to engage in a national debate on the core values of our democracy. If the race becomes an argument over a variety of compartmentalized issues, Bush has an advantage. If there are one or two underlying value themes that underpin the differences on issues, the whole election becomes about something greater -- that's what will turn out voters. That's what will humiliate Bush. John Edwards was on the right track with his "Two-Americas" theme, although it, by its nature, was divisive.

[asjr]

5. What I would like to see

before the election is all the crap that Bushco have handed out and the illegalities of such come out in court. I still think he is a puppet. He is the figurehead and Cheney is the real president. In 2000 when they had Cheney looking for a VP, it was a farce. They knew all along he would fill the VP slot. Poppy was holding the reins because he knew his son didn't have what it takes to run a country. If things turn out as I would like I can just hear Shrub say now--"It wasn't my fault. They made me do it."

[forgethell]

11. I agree

I would like to see the issues in black and white, not he promised 'x' number of jobs and we only got 'y'. We need to frame it in stark, ideoogical terms, no waffling on where we stand, or where they stand. I have faith that the American people will see it the right way.

[Nederland]

6. Not going to happen

This is going to be just like 2000--a very close election. Anyone who thinks differently doesn't have a diverse group of friends.

[apnu]

13. I agree

2004 will be a down and dirty, nasty mud slinging, smoke and mirrors election season. The right is currently polorized in support for shrub, and we aren't gonna break that right now.

IMO the best way to beat them is to expose bushco and expose them again, and again and again. Use their tactics of "just keep saying it until it sticks" That is a powerful tool.

[Zomby Woof]

7. beating him is enough

History will humiliate him.

[Don Claybrook]

9. No. Beating him is not enough.

Sure, history will humiliate him.

But the United States will be reviled and mistrusted by the vast majority of the rest of the world unless we stage a giant, unprecedented 'mea culpa'. If the PNAC wing of the Republican Party remains viable as the opposition party, the world isn't safe, and the rest of the world seems to realize this. We need some truth and reconciliation, some admission of grievous wrongdoing.

I won't be holding my breath, however.

[Lisa0825]

8. true... in addition to your reasons, we also

need to win big so the Diebold fix can be surpassed. if it's close, it's easier to cheat.

[Crachet2004]

10. Ditto, ditto, and ditto!

I'm tired of the GOP contaminating words in the English language to an extent we cannot use them! I want to take the Presidency back, the Congress back...and the word 'ditto' back! lol.

I think we can win, just on the issues. But in order to take Congress back, we need a victory of historic proportions. A "humiliating" victory!

Probably, we cannot effect this alone. Fortunately for us, as you point out, he has managed to anger the entire World...therefore, we are getting some major league help!

Greenspan (and the people he really represents), in his recent comments handed us some extremely incendiary ammo, as to SS, the deficit, etc...and I doubt he is finished, either!

The EU just levied sanctions and can be counted on to nothelp Bush for the forseeable future. Ditto the UN on 'nothelp'.

Opec looks like they are gonna raise gas to 5 dollars a gallon and laugh about it. And if he is REAL unlucky, Venzuela may cut us off! That would be such sweet justice, after the way Bush has tried to oust Chavez! hahahaha

Russia vis a vis Bush = no help. Putin 'looked into his eyes and no one was home'! Putin threw the western oil interests poster boy in prison! HAHAHA. Wish we could do that over here! HAHAHA! Maybe some day soon!

Yeah! 'Humiliate'. I like that word. Ditto on 'humiliate'.

[Festivito]

12. ...message to world: we won't let it happen again. nt.