I'm glad so many are so thrilled Kennedy backs Obama

[blues90]

And Caroline Kennedy who not mant even knew of until she came out with a book and suddeny was on TV for her 50th birthday , a connection who knows .

No one talks about RFK jr who has been fighting for cuases for many years and he backs Hillary . Ted Kennedy has laid down for the repugs and if anyone did any seeking is was Obama seeking Ted rather than Ted seeing some grand leader in Obama .

You people who are in a glory craze about Obama get all you info off the TV media news shows who nothing more than corporate enablers and you fall for this like a shot elephant .

I not only see a split in the Democratic party but in the generations and in my own generation .

If you thing backings make any real difference especially using the Kennedy name you are fools .

I like Ted Kennedy however he has a personal difference with Bill,Clinton and this is why the backing .

You tell me what the Dems in the house and senate have done in this last year alone and you can include Obama and Hillary in this . I see Boxer and Feingold and Webb as about the only true Democrats and a few others who actually fight back for the people and Kucinich who was tossed out because he is not afraid to speak the truth .

Not only are the MSM shills spinning the top but with a big dissappointment a few Liberal talk show hosts have done nothing but bash Hillary and Edwards and praise Obama . No one walks on water , there is a big machine behind the scene and you people will have to see just how well Obama does if , and I say if he wins .

What you have accomplished with great vigor is to split the party by continued bashing . At the start almost everyone wanted a Dem no matter who it was now due to the media spin and I have no doubt Rove is included in this and this cult like image people have crowned Obama with
it's now over , it's a split and I doubt now Hillary supporters will vote Obama or Obama supporters will vote Hillary .

Get it through yourheads , Obama is no JFK or RFK and Ted Kennedy is not either . Obama plays both sides and with the support of the lying MSM you have your cult .

There is absolutely no way on earth people can compare the 60's with today , none .

Bill Clinton was no saint however he did pull us out of Bush sr and Reagans horror even with a repug majority in the house . But as is now the media helped take him down and for what , a BJ and the definition or sexual acts . The media brought you Bush jr and the Iraq war and now occupation and they now hand you Obama and there fore split the party just as they planned from the start .

People learn nothing , you rally for a word called Hope and I ask you , what happened to the hope of past generations , who killed it and why , doubt most can even answer that question .

So load the I-pod with Obama speeches , play them over and over again because once all is said and done you are certaily going to need it .

[SammyWinstonJack]

1. K&R!

[tyne]

3. The Clintons new battle cry....

"NO WE CAN'T....NO WE CAN'T"

Sing it now...sing it loud!

[Adelante]

10. LOL nt

[AX10]

2. K/R. I will copy this because it expresses how I feel.

This is NOT the 60's at all. We have different problems.

"
Bill Clinton was no saint however he did pull us out of Bush sr and Reagans horror even with a repug majority in the house . But as is now the media helped take him down and for what , a BJ and the definition or sexual acts . The media brought you Bush jr and the Iraq war and now occupation and they now hand you Obama and there fore split the party just as they planned from the start .

People learn nothing , you rally for a word called Hope and I ask you , what happened to the hope of past generations , who killed it and why , doubt most can even answer that question"

:toast:

[golddigger]

4. K&R....n/t

[bunnies]

5. Never thought Id see so much hate spewed

next to a photo of John Lennon. How sad.

[pampango]

14. Didn't John coin the phrase "Give No Hope a Chance"?

:)

[blues90]

30. No , it was " Give peace a chance " you know that

John also said long ago the hope is something no one can give you , it is something you have to find within yourself . He said this to a homeless young man living on the edge of his property who put Lennon on a pedestal and John said I am just a man like anyone else and the words in my songs may relate to you but they are my words that describe my life and experience .

[blues90]

29. Don't confuse hate with the truth ,

Hate will get no one anywhere , hate is what allowed the american people to back this attack on Iraq . I do not hate , I have absolutely nothing to gain from hate .

What I described were facts on just how easy people can be fooled and manipulated . This is far from the first time this has happened .

One thing about america is that experience brought on by age has ALWAYS been ignored , the old as thought of as in the way , out of touch and obsolete when in fact they have knowledge and life experience they do care to pass on , with this we would have learned long ago . It is always the next new shinney thing that comes along that gets the admiration and respect , this is why we never learn and always repeat the same mistakes over and over again .

[bunnies]

39. uhm... right.

so...

"You people who are in a glory craze about Obama get all you info off the TV media news shows who nothing more than corporate enablers and you fall for this like a shot elephant."

is not hateful or insulting?

Its also very ironic that you are openly bashing Ted Kennedy... now youre telling me that experience brought on by age is ignored. Fairly obvious that Ted Kennedy has both those things. Maybe you should take your own advice.

[blues90]

50. Not hateful and the insult is because or your position

What do you know about Ted Kennedy , is it the name or do you really know anything about him .

I always liked him and said so but there are things I do not like about him but i didn't go into grate detail , not nearly enough to say i was bashing him .

If you are insulted then that's your problem , you read the damn post no one forced you now did they .

[eShirl]

6. so I take it you're not for Obama?

[ShortnFiery]

7. Well put! I'm hopeful for reconciliation.

:thumbsup: :hi:

[Fresh_Start]

8. I think the Kennedy endorsement will help

I just think its funny that Obama blamed the old democrats for the ills of the USA
Kennedy was a leading democrat during the time period leading up to the Reagan era and after Reagan
So isn't Kennedy ultimately one of the old democrats who created this mess?

[Bread and Circus]

9. I admit it, we are all stupid...

do you feel better now?

[here_is_to_hope]

13. I would feel better if you had a star next to your name...

:hi:

[Bread and Circus]

33. I think about that quite a bit... I've donated in the past $50 total

to be honest, not that much but some.

I feel I contribute more w/ my wit and charm ;)

Seriously though, right now my political money is going to Obama. If he's elected President, I pledge $250 to DU.

p.s. my star got removed along time ago (after the 2004 primaries) because they had a huge database change at the time and it was also the time we all got to change our avatar names. I've been here a while, mind you.

[here_is_to_hope]

43. I know, I was just slumming for DU...

:D :D :D :toast:

[SammyWinstonJack]

16. Not really.

I'll admit it, we are all stupid...

do you feel better now?

That fact doesn't make me feel better, does it you?

[Bread and Circus]

34. Yeah I've been wanting to get it off my chest for a while...btw....

you have a cute dog.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. "One hot summer day..."

"...a Fox was strolling through an orchard till he came to a bunch of Grapes just ripening on a vine which had been trained over a lofty branch. "Just the thing to quench my thirst," quoth he. Drawing back a few paces, he took a run and a jump, and just missed the bunch. Turning round again with a One, Two, Three, he jumped up, but with no greater success. Again and again he tried after the tempting morsel, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: "I am sure they are sour.

It is easy to despise what you cannot get."

- from Aesop's Fables.

[BeyondGeography]

12. That's certainly a long-winded way of saying, "I'm a Clinton personality slave."

:patriot:

[AX10]

15. If Ted really wanted change...

he would have backed Edwards.
But alas, Ted is not saint, he is but a mere politician.

[butterfly77]

17. Thank you..

and he also no MLK either...

[kirby]

18. Why so bitter?

"People learn nothing , you rally for a word called Hope and I ask you , what happened to the hope of past generations , who killed it and why , doubt most can even answer that question ."

With an attitude like that, maybe it is people like you who kill the hope? I get a feeling that you see everything as black and white. Every time someone with a hopeful message gains traction, people dismiss it or accuse people of being duped.

Personally I started out as an Edwards supporter, but it looks like he is finished. Obama would be my next choice, Hillary last.

[SammyWinstonJack]

Thanks for giving up on Edwards. What a true supporter you must've been.

:eyes:

[kirby]

28. I'm just facing reality.

I'm just being realistic. He only got 18% in SC which should have been a big comeback opportunity for him. By the time primary time works its way around these parts, voting for Edwards might be useless according to the delegate counts.

[JuniperLea]

45. Well, you fell for the rhetoric, didn't you...

Hook, line and sinker... and there was no real tangible bait.

I'm voting for Edwards because I agree with him ON THE ISSUES!!!

I'm voting for Edwards because in my mind and in my gut, a vote for Clinton or Obama means more of the same bullshit corporatism we've been trying to change.

[SammyWinstonJack]

47. No kidding! Some are so easily swayed. Why is that?

[JuniperLea]

48. Weak and feeble minded?

LoL!! No, that's mean.

I think most people just don't get how primaries work. Too few people really understand the workings of a primary vs. a general election. Too few people are voting their conscience, which is what you are supposed to do in a primary. This has become a popularity contest about who speaks better, who has the best hair, clothes, teeth, etc. Ted Kennedy's endorsement, for example, what an ass! I've always liked Ted, but I think he's grown short in the IQ along with long in the tooth! Dumbass! NOT a good reason to endorse someone, because you don't like the other candidate's husband? Cheese and Crackers!!!! Too many people are thinking in terms of "electibility" which is the wrong way to go, especially in this particular GENERAL election... the odds of a Republican being elected president this time around are minuscule at best.

Can you tell I'm frustrated? ARGH!

[ecstatic]

19. want some...

[Occam Bandage]

25. He's pressed those sour grapes into a nice batch of whine.

[LittleClarkie]

20. The hate is spewed on both sides

And the two candidates are entirely too similar for your rant to mean much to me.

[cali]

21. let's see: bitter- check. ugly- check. divisive'- check.

oh and ignorant and horribly written, as well.

First of all, Caroline Kennedy didn't just appear with a book a couple of years ago. She's been deeply involved with public education in NY for years, wrote a book about the bill of rights, and several childrens' books. America watched her grow up, and has, I believe, a deep fondness for her.

Your bashing of Senator Kennedy is repugnant and stupid. He's championed working families, the poor and immigrants for years. He's hardworking and he's stood up against the bush thugs. And Senator Leahy who also endorsed Obama has been doing a shitload of heavy lifting. If you need educating on this, let me know.

Your post is simply more sour grapes.

Be careful not to choke on all your bile.

[babylonsister]

22. I couldn't get past your first sentence because your

ignorance jumped out at me. Google Caroline Kennedy and see how lazy she's been for years.

Better yet, here's wiki's description. You mouthed off without any knowledge of what you're spouting about so I can't be bothered seeing what else you're deceiving yourself about. :eyes:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Kennedy

Caroline Kennedy

Born November 27, 1957 (1957-11-27) (age 50)
New York, New York, U.S.
Education Harvard University
Columbia Law School
Occupation author, philanthropist
Spouse Edwin Arthur Schlossberg
Children Rose, Tatiana, John
Parents John F. Kennedy, Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis


Education

She graduated from Radcliffe College/Harvard University and Columbia Law School, after completing her education at The Brearley School and Convent of the Sacred Heart, and Concord Academy in Massachusetts.

Work

Kennedy is an attorney, editor, and writer. She is one of the founders of the Profiles in Courage Award, given annually to a person who exemplifies the type of courage examined in her father's Pulitzer Prize-winning book of the same name. The award is generally given to elected officials who, acting in accord with their conscience, risk their careers by pursuing a larger vision of the national, state or local interest in opposition to popular opinion or powerful pressures from their constituents. In May 2002, she presented an unprecedented Profiles in Courage Award to representatives of the NYPD, the New York City Fire Department, and the military as representatives of all of the people who acted to save the lives of others during the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.

Kennedy is currently President of the Kennedy Library Foundation, a director of both the Commission on Presidential Debates and the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, and Honorary Chairman of the American Ballet Theatre. She is also an adviser to the Harvard Institute of Politics, a living memorial to her father.



Works published

Kennedy and Ellen Alderman have written two books together on civil liberties:

* In Our Defense: The Bill of Rights In Action (1990) and
* The Right to Privacy (1995)

On her own, she has edited these New York Times best-selling volumes:

* A Patriot’s Handbook
* The Best-Loved Poems of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis
* A Family of Poems: My Favorite Poetry for Children
* Profiles in Courage for Our Time

She is also the author of "A Family Christmas" a collection of poems, prose and personal notes from her family history.

[blues90]

35. I know all about Caroline , my point was not many do and

Only because she came out just in the last month or so , now there is meaning to her endorsment . I have not heard or seen her in years , have you ?

[babylonsister]

37. Of course I have. Why don't you read what she's written/done/supported?

You either are truly ignorant of what's going on in the world and this country, or you don't care. But to just blow her off as unimportant does not sit well with me. And this has nothing to do with Obama but the woman she has become in her own right. So now you know.

[blues90]

40. where did I put her down , I made a reference to her

I am far from ignorant , if you feel I am ignorant that's fine , I don't care . You said you could not get past the first part of my post , if you had then perhaps you would see what my point was .

Look , when I saw Caroline come on the TV with her book I looked up where she has been simply because I have not seen her or heard of her in years . if that is ignorance then I am guilty as charged .

Sorry but with all that has been going on I must admit she was far from my mind . She had her 50th birthday and then it was out that Neil Diamond wrote sweet Caroline specifically for her . So with that and her sudden appearance it does strike me a bit odd she comes out and endorses Obama . If this is what you consider putting her down then we differ in the way we look at things .

[Thrill]

23. More Spin from the Clinton supporters

LMAO

[Occam Bandage]

24. Sour grapes.

[GalleryGod]

26. Bad Lecture, Dude!

CYA.

[mzmolly]

27. Many here applauded RKF Jr's backing of Hillary. Myself included. And I applaud

Ted Kennedy's backing of Obama today.

[Capn Sunshine]

31. You know, you can't make this up, and you can't buy this kind of entertainment

I was counting on DU for some amusement between appointments, and it always delivers.

The misspellings make it all the more precious!
:rofl:

[blues90]

38. Pardon me , I can correct miss spellings and I have an old crappy computer

I cannot correct nore do I care to entertain people such as you . And no one can correct all the damage done by the bush administration .

[onenote]

32. Boxer, Feingold and....Webb?

Webb is my Senator and I'm a big fan. But you've got to be kidding if you think he's more of a "true Democrat" than Kennedy. Compare their voting records. Really, go out and do the work. You'll find that Kennedy's voting record is more in line with that of Feingold and Boxer than Webb's is. And on some significant issues, particularly immigration, defense and foreign policy.

Really, you need to do your homework and not rely on what you read on some blog somewhere.

[Barack_America]

36. Thanks for the negativity...

This place was lacking today until you showed up.

[dionysus]

41. here, let me fetch you the smelling salts....

[JuniperLea]

42. I've always liked Ted, but this is a very stupid reason to back a candidate

You should only back a candidate because you feel the same way they do ON THE ISSUES!!!

I'm voting my conscience, I'm voting Edwards.

[ErnestoG]

44. Excuse me? The same Ted Kennedy with the most liberal voting record in Congress?

I'm sure you must be talking about someone else, when you complain of some Rethug enabler.

[stillcool]

46. wow...you can tell...

aside from what a person says or does, what they "really" mean. Sounds like trickle-down media crap.

[blues90]

51. I can read and understand english .

I know when I'm being fed bull shit . If you can't get the message out of their words then they are not doing a very good job of expressing themselves .

[stillcool]

52. To each his own...

I like to read/hear what a person has to say for themselves...rather than relying on someone else's attempt at divining intent. I guess that' why I don't tune into the talking heads. Stuff seems to rub off.

[blues90]

53. I'm not sure what you are talking about here

What I will say is that I don't tune into the talking heads , instead I listen to what the candidates have said as far as the media allows refering to their actual words and I have gone to their sites and looked at their voting records and plans and positions . They are all very similar .

While these blogs you will get all sorts of opinions such as mine . My point is not to bash but to try to at least point out there is the reality of media spin as well as candidates doing their own spinning .

If Obama wins so be it , all I hope is he is the person he claims to be . I really can't tell , I don't hold much faith in any politician anylonger , not after what I've seen happen .

[stillcool]

54. Jeez...read your post again...

you make a lot of assumptions, and talk some serious trash. Ted Kennedy may be a lot of things to a lot of people, but his voting record speaks for itself. I really don't care who anyone chooses to vote for in this Primary. I don't believe it is up to me to take down, or build up any candidate. I know better than to get sucked into this horse shit, but every now and then, the shit stinks so bad, and is so vile, the bile builds up and gets the better of me, and I post a response. A serious error on my part.

[blues90]

49. I don't know who I back now and that is the truth

I was open for any Democratic candidate in the begining , as many as long there was a d after the name .

Now since this circular firing squad appeared which to me it is not so different if you handed each Dem a real gun and the changed the polls with an actual shot I am not certain at all .

They all have made themselves look bad in one way or another .

What I do know is it is the media that set this stage and the candidates took the bait , this is the sad part .

I don't know about anyone else here but if you enjoy this sort of thing in a time when so very much is wrong in this country and around the globe then this is your choice , it is not mine .

If people choose to claim I am tossing out hate here this is fine , your choice , your opinion . If you feel I am ignorant this is fine also , I have no control over this and i do not seek it .

When I look at just how this entire primary is going and how the media has had full control of all questions and baited the candidates and now there is this bashing on all sides in all cases , I blame now not only the media but the candidates as well and for good reason .

If anyone cared to look around and look at how this is unfolding you can clearly see what has happened and why .

All of these debates , if you do want to call them that were all done on TV , all by corporate chosen shills who work for corporate owned media . One top of this who sponsored these debates , the coal companies for the most part , the very corps who are destroying this planet especially in their strip mining of mountains in WV .

I don't like the idea that Bill Clinton is out of control , I don't like the idea that Kucinich was ignored and not allowed in many events for reasons based on nothing real at all .

I don't care for some positions Edwards holds or Hillary or Obama , however I did not choose these people and neither did you . They had the funding backed by people as well as corporations and the media drives this bus , not you or me .

This is my entire point and all reference to the names I addressed are there simply because they only add to the fire and again it's media driven .

Now there is a split in the democratic party , this is not what anyone really wanted , at least I hope not . Where does this leave us , well it leaves us with a choice of three and very possibly two candidates and a population who are split not only in the party but in generation and one does wonder how race and gender play a role in this now .

There has never been one person who is perfect or who can control the entire country and there never will be .

I am more focused on the Iraq occupation and the economy and what has happened to this country on all levels than these elections . However as it is the media is not talking about the wars , they give you what they will and you either tune out or try to get past it all .

I don't know who listens to liberal radio shows but even here I find some talk show hosts sounding like the right wing machine , taking sides where they claimed they never would .

So I feel if people would focus on the reality of what's going on or at least open their mind to the possibility that we are being lied to once again ,and if they ignore this fact then people will get what they asked for , and not what they wanted .

To place any one man or women in the status of a hero or god like figure is just insanity . A group of people who do this sort of thing used to be called a cult and rightly so .