Chappaquiddik, drunk Teddy, windsurfing Kerry, spineless Leahy

[cali]

and ignorant bon bon eating Caroline.

Sad and sick.

Here's what you do when a candidate you don't support gets an endorsement:

Nothing

or

Congratulations


You don't go tearing at those endorsing like a pack of slavering dogs. I saw it with RFK Jr and McGovern when they endorsed Clinton and now it's reached an even more putrid level with Obama's endorsements.

It sucks.

[LSK]

1. for once, I totally agree with you

[boston bean]

2. Well that's not as bad as what I've seen people call Bill Clinton. Give me a break.

[cali]

5. then write a thread about it.

it hardly mitigates the crap being spewed about Kennedy and others.

[boston bean]

14. Why don't you stop being so hypocritical. Poor poor baby barak, you reap what you sow. nt

[cali]

19. I'm not being hyocritical and you're the

whinger. Never seen you do anything but whinge, pookie. I congratulate Clinton on every endorsement. I've written thread after thread defending her.

You can now return to your pathetic little pity party. You are soo good at it.

[ErnestoG]

44. Poor Bill Clinton! He got badmouthed AWWWWWW

You're really not coming off well here. The OP makes a good point, and all you do is turn it around into a pitty party for Bill Clinton.

I'd like to let you in on something. Bill Clinton isn't running this time. It's not about him. It's about picking the right candidate to take the Democratic banner into the general election. And I'm sorry, but Hillary Clinton isn't it.

[niceypoo]

60. Then why do you continually rant about him?

[ErnestoG]

66. To remind you Hillarzombies that he ISN'T running

[forsberg]

3. This reminds me of all the uninformed Dean endorsements in 04

Just more people piling on the bandwagon, not thinking at all.

Meanwhile, Hillary will steamroll Obama on Super Tuesday

[Beacool]

6. From your lips to God's ears!!!!!!!

Go Hillary, don't let the turkeys get you down!!!!!!!!

[indimuse]

30. hummm. yes Cali will write threads ..

congradulating Hillary or Edwards...LACED with underlying smears...ha ha.. got YOUR #

[R_M]

47. Sounds good to me.

Go Hillary!
I think Edwards has balls and would be one HELL of a President too.

[NYCGirl]

13. Yeah, damn that uninformed Al Gore! He doesn't know anything!

:rofl:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

15. It will be close

[thereismore]

4. DU is a totally different place it used to be even in04. But I hope that

after O is in the WH we'll all get along once again. :wink:

[DrFunkenstein]

33. I Agree Wholeheartedly

Its pretty bad out there.

[george_maniakes]

55. i do recall this place being more respectful back in the day.

what the hell happened?

[pampango]

7. Are those post from Freeperland? You didn't say where they came from. n/t

[cali]

11. they're from here. n/t

[Tarc]

16. You are one of the worst offenders here

in all the anti-Hillary rhetoric over the last few weeks/months. And now you can't handle it when it comes in the opposite direction? :eyes:

[cali]

21. I have written literally dozens of threads defending her

I've been called a "hillbot" frequently for doing so. I've never called her a name like the ones I reference in my OP and I always congratulate her and her supporters on a win or an endorsement.

[onenote]

22. what are you talking about?

I have a suggestion for you. Give Skinner a contribution so you can get searching privileges and the search Cali's posts. She has consistently been one of the voices of reason around here, although its getting harder and harder to hear her under the mad din from overzealous partisans (on all sides).

[Tarc]

24. The kool-aid has been drunk deeply this morning

[onenote]

26. not by me it hasn't.

[Tarc]

32. Yes, by you

Don't really need a search function, I've been reading and posting in current topics all along and have witnessed it first-hand. But if we must take a brief look, we can just click back through the last few pages of GD: P and find gems like;

Clinton's stupid to be doing this. Just assinine to be pointing out that *gasp* Obama is black. What a low creep.

- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4216017#4216122

I'll be praying that Floridians turn out to reject the Clintons like SC voters did. And until 6 weeks ago SC was Clinton country- in case you don't recall. Obama won't win, but he could throw yet another wrench in Madame Entitled's campaign. I certainly hope fervently that he will. She's a walking talking disaster for dems.

- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4244058#4244141

Just the tip of the iceberg.

[elixir]

58. I agree w/ Tarc. You always seem to have a negative snarky comment. Enjoy BO's endorsements quietl

[LizW]

25. Could you link to them, please? n/t

[Vektor]

8. I agree. It's terrible.

Democrats tearing down Democrats for supporting Democrats.

Where's the civility?

[YvonneCa]

49. Civility...

...that's what is missing. Thanks, Vektor. :)

[Emit]

9. Classic Repug talking points.

Interesting.

[LSK]

12. what cali said or what she is talking about?

Please clarify.

[Emit]

23. Sorry-- what she's talking about, I agree with her.

DUers using classic Repug talking points -- "Billary", "Chappaquiddik", "drunk Teddy", "windsurfing Kerry", etc. -- I wasn't around before '04, so I don't know if this is politics as usual during primary season. But I'm seeing more Repug talking points, more links to Repug attacks than I've ever seen before on DU.

Edited to add a word

[aquart]

10. I agree.

I even understand why the Kennedys would prefer the glittery Obama.

Of course, it would be nice if you guys stopped lying that Teddy decided to endorse Obama because Bill was being so cruel to the poor, innocent feller.

[pampango]

17. Are you saying that Bill's campaign tactics were not a factor in Kennedy's

decision to endorse Obama or just that it wasn't the only factor? I would hope that no one would contend that there is one and only one reason why anyone endorses one of our candidates. I do believe that Kennedy has expressed dissatisfaction with Bill's campaign tactics. Was that the only reason for his Obama endorsement? Probably not. I would be surprised, though, if it were not one factor.

[maddiejoan]

18. To be quite honest

I haven't seen any posts like that --but if they do exist, I agree with you.

[Tom Rinaldo]

20. I respect all of those people.

Just like I respect "senile" George McGovern, "pandering" Wes Clark, "Republican" Ambassador Joe Wilson, and "opportunistic" RFK Jr.

The Kennedy's, all of them with Ted Kennedy at the top of the list, are life long dedicated Democrats who have worked long and hard on our behalf. And they sure as hell have suffered for it. They all have earned our deep and abiding respect.

[defendandprotect]

27. Actually, I thought that Kerry had some rather harsh comments re the Clinton campaign ---

harsh and uncalled for ---

in particularly when he never bothered to defend himself during his own campaign!!!!

I haven't made any comments on these endorsements, but I will say now that they don't impress me
BECAUSE of who is doing the endorsing.

[karynnj]

37. Untrue on both counts

Kerry did defend himself in 2004 and even if he didn't - he has the right to defend other candidates from lies - as he has done for many others for decades. Including Bill Clinton when he was attacked in the 1990s.

Kerry has spoken against lies and against voter suppression. He was right.

[defendandprotect]

38. I think one of us should actually post Kerry's comments which I read last night ---

they make accusations against Bill Clinton which are harsh and which I consider untrue ---

Kerry DID NOT sufficiently defend himself in 2004 from being "swiftboated" --
he was a milquetoast on that issue ---

AND, Kerry certainly collapsed immediately on election fraud after promising to challenge it --

Additionally, Kerry gave very little challenge to his fellow "Skull & Bonesman" -- Bush.

As we had already been moved to war --- and to destruction of our Treasury ---
surplus gone, peace gone.

Kerry was essentially useless.
Just what the Republicans wanted --- and he provided it!

[karynnj]

41. You mention S&B but saying that Clinton abused truth is bad

You are clearly in the tank for Clinton - who yes lied - as he is prone to doing.

As to Kerry - before August the media had:
- 100 plus pages of Naval records - all glowing
- The Navy's verification that he did earn the prestigious medals they gave him
- Brinkley, a noted accademic historian was 100% behind him
- the living members of his crews when he got medals were all behind him
- The Nixon tapes showed they investigated him and found he was a war hero

Trying comparing that to how Bill Clinton fought back. The usual method - deny, lie, scapecoat, blame, than admit the truth when forced to but bite your lip to show that you are really just an innocent old boy. (Look at either the draft or the Flowers issue.)

As to Ohio - there is STILL NOT A CASE that can be brought to court. Kerry continued to fight Bush even after his loss - even though Clinton was often pulling him back as on Kerry/Feingold.

[defendandprotect]

63. Who could possibly do more than chastise Clinton for lying about his personal

sex life --- ??? !!!! What nonsense!!

While our lives have been TORTURED by the Bush regime, murdering 2 million Iraqis ---
bankrupting our Treasury -- and probably about now delivering another Great Depression -- !!! ????

Whatever the corporate-press had, it certainly wasn't defending Kerry --- !!!

One of these issues was a matter of government records --
the other a personal sexual issue --- where entrapment was used.
There is no comparison.

There is no case in Ohio because we haven't had sufficiently strong enough government investigations of the whole computer voting issue --- and basically there can be no defense for computer voting --
which, btw, was introduced during the mid-1960's!!

I don't know what "fight" you saw against Bush . . . but I didn't see Kerry anywhere near him.

[R_M]

48. Dean or Clark should have been our nominee.

Kerry was one the worse choices. I held my nose and voted for him, but I have no respect for him whatsoever. I will never support him again.

[politicasista]

56. And neither of them would have been swiftboated against a GOP controlled media

an inept DNC Chairman, and a fear-mongering electorate? :rofl: :rofl:


Oh, I like Dean and Clark, and at least I haven't forgotten their strong and spirited defenses of Kerry when the Swifties made their rounds. They were excellent surrogates.

Were you following their lead in refuting the lies, or just complaining about Kerry? I bet you were just doing the latter like you are now.

Dean and Clark did the right thing, it's too bad their "supporters" believe in hindsight talk and just love to tear Kerry down to promote them just because he beat them in the 04 primaries.


Flame away.

[defendandprotect]

64. The "Swiftboating" is, in fact, corporate-media; it couldn't be done without them ---

so, it is clear who THEY are targetig ---

[Tellurian]

65. Right ON!

:toast:

[LittleClarkie]

71. imh, then criticize his harsh comments

I thought pulling out the windsurfing Kerry or talking about how he didn't earn his medals was beyond the pale.

In much the same way, criticize Teddy's and Bill's words, but why pull out character assassinations, you know? Chappaquiddick or Monica, etc.

[mondo joe]

28. Same as the Freeper talking points against Bill Clinton. It's disgusting on all sides

and I wish it would stop.

I will add: I've referred to Kerry being a wimp, but that has been my opinion since 2004.

[goodgd_yall]

53. That too

[zulchzulu]

29. Where is this coming from?

Are people dissing Ted, John, Pat and Caroline?

Wow.

Talk about bottomfeeding scumsuckers...

[madrchsod]

31. the kennedy endorsements?

the most important endorsement came from tom hayden ... boy they sure missed that one :rofl:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Res Ipsa Loquitur

zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-11-07 03:45 PM
Response to Original message
32. The Kennedys were good family friends with Joe McCarthy...
...shit happens.

Good luck to RFK, Jr. keeping a straight face if he has to speak on her behalf.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3598658

[jefferson_dem]

36. Grotesque slime emanating from the "Say anything. Do anything" crowd.

:puke: their way.

[PATRICK]

40. Can I say

I support and believe in their endorsements even though I personally remain an Edwards supporter? I value their valued choice and Obama earned it genuinely.

[jefferson_dem]

45. Thanks Patrick!

:thumbsup:

[robbedvoter]

35. True. But MSM won't say this about him - cuz he's playing THEIR game today.

[defendandprotect]

39. PLEASE . . . it's not "MSM" . . . it's corporate-media ---

[hayu_lol]

43. Good shot Cali...for the rest of you,

don't forget that the Kennedy fortune was made by supplying a parched America with the best of Canadian booze during prohibition.

Now who could argue with that?

Oh yeah, and Reid is Rush's original 'pencil-necked geek.'

[robbedvoter]

61. Agree, but for shorthand sake...

[defendandprotect]

62. No -- "MSM" suggests a legitimacy . . . "corporate-media" is clearer as to our not

having a "free press" ---

[R_M]

46. Ted Kennedy does not influence whom I vote for.

It may have an opposite effect though.

[OzarkDem]

42. Unacceptable and unlike progressive Dems

Another example of right wing memes and talking points creeping into Dem primary discussions.

If posters can't make points about their candidate without resorting to tired, right wing ad hominem attacks, they need to reconsider how much good they're doing for their candidate.

[Medusa]

50. I wonder what tune some people would be singing

if they'd all endorsed HRC instead? Bitter much dears?

[Catherine Vincent]

51. It would have been brought up once or twice.

Just like it did with Obama.

[goodgd_yall]

52. Really

It's disgusting to see Democrats tearing down Democrats using RW tactics.

[sniffa]

54. What did teddy say to MJK when he found out she might be pregnant w/ his child?

Don't worry Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

:hide:

[defendandprotect]

67. Pitiful--!! Rather --- what did Nixon say to John Dean when he said . . .

"Wouldn't Ted Kennedy be surprised to know the bear trap he'll be walking into this weekend."

THAT'S on the Nixon White House tapes ---
and THAT took place just before the weekend of Chappaquiddick --

[jackson_dem]

57. Obamites would have swiftboated any of the three if they were running against Obama

Especially Kerry who is guilty of each "sin" Obama's carefully selected from pre-2005 votes that Edwards and Hillay are. Leahy is guilty of four out of five and Kennedy three out of five. The hypocrisy of Obamites knows no bounds. They swiftboat Edwards and Hillary as DINOs by lying and distorting their records and the history of those five votes and then then cheer folks who did much the same because they are endorsing Obama.

[dailykoff]

59. cali could you please ask the mods to lock this?

Do we really need a chappaquidick thread at the top of the freakin' greatest page TODAY??

[defendandprotect]

68. Maybe you need to try to actually rethink Chappaquidick ....

see my post above.

[LittleClarkie]

69. I just started a thread saying much the same

at least that was my intent

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4256447

[totodeinhere]

72. Deleted by me.

I said that wrong. I am going to delete it.

[LittleClarkie]

73. You can't see my avatar right now, but I'm an Obama supporter

so much for THAT theory.

[Hieronymus]

70. Someone missed his nap. Such vile divisiveness.

[LittleClarkie]

74. What, no sarcasm smilie?

?

[Hieronymus]

75. It was in answer to the original post ... please pay attention.

[LittleClarkie]

76. Hence I thought it must be sarcastic

since the OP is talking about NOT being divisive and nasty, and it appeared that you were directing your words at him, and not the people he's talking about.

Who is the "someone" who needs a nap, because it sounded like you were saying it was cali? Which is why I was hoping you were missing a smilie.

[JuniperLea]

77. 9 eom