Anyone else confused by the Obama supporters who are attacking/chiding Edwards

[sjdnb]

and his supporters .... really, I don't get it. They come off a huge win in SC and start launching frivolous attacks on some who has no where near the resources ($$s/connections) and gets no where near the amount of media attention that their candidate does.

What's up with that? I don't know - but, it's starting to piss me off.

[paulk]

1. what's your idea of a "frivolous attack"?

[sjdnb]

3. Start with this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4239973&mesg_id=4239973

And, add all the Edwards should fold and send his supporters to Obama threads.

[smokey nj]

12. I'm ignoring the person who started that thread. Perhaps you should as well.

I don't think it helps anything to get drawn into muck. Ignore is a wonderful feature.

[sjdnb]

18. I AM the person who started the tread ... thanks

for dismissing me so handily without considering I just, might, have a valid point.

[smokey nj]

20. You must have linked to a specific post in that thread and that's why I couldnt' see it.

If I were ignoring you, I wouldn't have seen this thread. I'm an Edwards supporter too, I'm not looking for a fight.

[Barack_America]

44. Sorry, but that seemed to me to be a pretty honest, issues-driven post.

Not an "attack" on either Edwards or his supporters.

That poster in general also doesn't have a history of attacks.

[rodeodance]

51. Yes, I have seen those, very disheartening to say the least.

[Barack_America]

56. Never miss a chance to take a shot at Obama supporters, do you?

Care to provide any other examples other than the one that the OP gave?

[rodeodance]

69. I try my best as you do.

[KittyWampus]

61. the post you cite is a straightfoward list of Obama's accomplishments. If that bothers you

you have a major freaking problem.

Further, they way it's worded it is certainly in response to some shit an Edwards' supporter said about Obama in another thread.

Lastly, it says NOTHING about Edwards dropping out.

[cali]

70. So one or two threads and you use a broad brush on all Obama supporters here?

Charming. And the list of Edwards supporters attacking Obama isn't too shabby at all. How about suggesting that Obama is about to carted off by the Feds? That thread was started by an Edwards supporter. And there's another who starts 10 threads a day attacking Obama. All candidates have such supporters.

Your thread is just another way to attack Obama supporters. Thanks so much for that.

[babylonsister]

2. I really wish you'd put a post out there directly to Obama supporters who

have done this. I'm a proud Obama supporter but have gone out of my way to not post anything negative about Edwards. Ask the people who did that why they did, but don't paint us all with the same brush. Please?

[Mythsaje]

That would be, technically, "calling out" specific DUers.

This is the ONLY way within the rules to do it. The OP specifically speaks to the Obama supporters who ARE doing it.

[sjdnb]

23. I cited the posts and don't give a rat's rear if I get censored

What I have posted is hardly inflammatory compared to much of what is going on on this and other boards.

I just don't get why O&C think Edwards supporters owe them anything -- or, why they attack Edwards with innuendo unsubstantiated by the facts.

It's just getting way to politically calculating/manipulative for my tastes.

[babylonsister]

24. You call yourself a writer. Surely there is a way to narrow the frame

without calling anyone out and without all of us seeming to be complicit.

For instance, 'You Obama supporters who are attacking Edwards-why is that?'

Seems a lot more to the point than this thread title. And I'm no writer!

[Mythsaje]

25. I "call" myself a writer?

Excuse me?

I thought it the thread title was pretty specific.

[babylonsister]

27. I didn't stutter. nt

[Mythsaje]

33. No, you just posted gibberish.

It LOOKED like English, but I think it was an accident.

[babylonsister]

36. I take it you thought I was insulting, but I'm not trying to be. There was a

different way to frame this question. If you don't want to address that, it's fine with me. I refuse to let you insult me though. 'Ignore' has been my pal for the last couple of months. I try to use it sparingly, but it's been tough. Carry on.

[indimuse]

62. Don't be fooled by BS there ...she is one of the MOST sanctimonious of all..

no reasoning with some of these posters. They attack... with no fact ...oh so smug...as IF!

[OneGrassRoot]

78. Repeating your post for emphasis.

"The OP specifically speaks to the Obama supporters who ARE doing it."

Very clearly stated.

And there are and have been quite a few bashing or condescending threads aimed at Edwards and his supporters by Obama supporters, more so than Hillary supporters. Seems quite a few people can't decide if a bashing approach will swing voters to their guy or if condescending "let's face reality" posts will do it.

I'll tell you what, you guys can call me all the things I've put in there already in my sig line to save you time. But if Obama's candidacy is reflected in the large majority of Obama supporters here (not only the out-and-out nasty ones, but the ones even in this thread acting all offended by being labeled and included in broad strokes, when they should have read the OP more carefully and crafted the response accordingly), I will continue to be turned off. And, by the way, the offended ones are the first to jump on a legitimate question or observation which may be perceived as critical to Obama, calling the OP's reputation and intentions into question. I'm not talking blatant flamebait posts, but legitimate questions by long-time DUers with no history of flamebait whatsoever.

Not a whole lot of calm, intelligent discussion going on, but a lot of passion does that, I suppose.

There is a mirror effect going on with what I am watching and reading about outside DU and what is largely being conveyed at DU.

I know, I know...let me pre-empt those of you ready to type "go ahead and stay with Edwards, we don't give a shit!". I know you don't give a shit.


edit for dumbass typos

[SammyWinstonJack]

90. Yes and one poster alluded to Edwards supporters, as wishing for Gore or "magic ponies".

Not condescending at all.

[NastyRiffraff]

22. I don't think the OP meant all Obama supporters

I could be wrong, but "the Obama supporters who are attacking/chiding Edwards" is grammatically correct as a conditional phrase. That is, "Obama supporters...those who are attacking..etc" would be another, more awkward, construct. I could be wrong...I can't read the OP's mind...but I hope I'm right. There HAVE been some ugly posts by SOME supporters, and no, I can't figure out why. But there have also been some very gracious posts that I always try to respond to with thanks.

[rodeodance]

52. neither do I. and those that claim it means all put out distractors. beware.

[Big Blue Marble]

39. I as an Obama supporter have never said one negative thing about Edwards.

I like him. He would be my choice if Obama were not in the race.

On the other hand, I have been repeatedly attacked by some Edwards supporters.
They have ridiculed me and insulted me. They have minimized what I have said in defense of Obama.

In some cases, they are as rude as some Hillary supporters.

[babylonsister]

49. Thank you. Edwards has always been my second choice, I've posted

positive articles about him, yet I'm clumped together with everyone else. x(

[LaStrega]

4. I've been on DU for a vitual nanosecond compared to most here ...

and already nothing I read here surprises me.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

5. I haven't heard of it. I have heard that unions want Edwards as Atty Gen

I think most Obama supporters like Edwards.

[melody]

6. Because they assume that Edwards supporters would opt for Obama

However, partly because of the garbage spewed by many of his supporters here, I can't say (on an emotional level)
I view Obama as significantly different from Clinton now.

[rodeodance]

72. policy wise--shades of differences for the most part.

[BlackVelvet04]

7. They obviously

aren't very confident that their candidate can win. That "YES WE CAN" is feel good rhetoric but doesn't have much faith behind it. What they seem to really mean is "YES WE CAN IF JOHN EDWARDS DROPS OUT AND GIVES US HIS DELEGATES".

[melody]

8. exactly n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

17. That should be their new rallying cry. n/t

[OzarkDem]

9. It says a lot about Obama

he's a very insecure person and a one-trick pony. His only response when under pressure is to divide and conquer, typical response from a DINO. They love to attack fellow Dems, but love giving the GOP whatever they want.

[MADem]

15. No, it says more about some of the assclowns who call themselves his supporters.

I honestly don't think his campaign is pulling that kind of crap. They'd be crazy to so do!

[OzarkDem]

21. Obama is a very divisive candidate

it seems to be his only tactic, turning other Dems against each other. Its not much to build a career on.

[Apollo11]

89. Please listen to what your candidate says

John Edwards, ABC debate, New Hampshire:

You know, Senator Obama and I have differences. We do. We have a difference about health care, which he and I have talked about before.

We have a fundamental difference about the way you bring about change. But both of us are powerful voices for change.

And if I might add, we finished first and second in the Iowa caucus, I think in part as a result of that.

Now, what I would say this: Any time you speak out powerfully for change, the forces of status quo attack. That's exactly what happens.

It's fine to have a disagreement about health care. To say that Senator Obama is having a debate with himself from some Associated Press story I think is just not -- that's not the kind of discussion we should be having.

I think that every time this happens, what will occur -- every time he speaks out for change, every time I fight for change, the forces of status quo are going to attack -- every single time.

And what we have to remember -- and this is the overarching issue here, because what we really need in New Hampshire and in future state primaries, is we need an unfiltered debate between the agents of change about how we bring about that change. Because we have differences about that.

But the one thing I do not argue with him about is he believes deeply in change.

The point is that Edwards believes that Obama believes in change.

http://abcnews.go.com/Story?id=4092530&page=2

[MADem]

10. I don't get it either. They aren't even enjoying their victory, just crapping on everyone.

I rather doubt this sort of crap is campaign-sanctioned, though. I think it's just uninformed and immature people who think politics is a contact sport. They don't know the issues, and they don't know their candidate's positions. They just like the cut of his jib.

[krabigirl]

63. Yep, and it goes against everything Obama says about hope and UNITY

[Catherine Vincent]

11. The outspoken Obama supporters here have been assholes for a long time.

They'll never change.

[ErnestoG]

13. Who, exactly?

I say this as an ardent Obama supporter who also very much likes Edwards.

[andyrowe]

14. Perhaps they think it'd be easier to focus on him now?

That strategy would confuse me. Like O, he is a terrific candidate. I'd like his supporters to feel our camp was fair in its rivalry with John.

[Tulkas]

16. We want a straight up fight, Billary v Barack, 2 on 1 the way it should be

But Edwards just won't leave. Iowa was his only 2nd place finish. I doubt if he will get another one.
He can't win but he won't leave.


It looks like he wants to try and "buy" the V.P. spot on the ticket if he can play king/queen maker with his delegates.


This hurts our chances in November. We need someone on the ticket who can deliver Ohio or Florida or Something...... Anything.
Edwards didn't even deliver North Carolina in '04.

[BlackVelvet04]

19. And why should it be that way?

If it should it probably would be.

[Tulkas]

35. Spoiler.,,,,, Nader,,,,, Hurting his own cause.... stop me when you understand something I say

[BlackVelvet04]

60. Fear.....

that your candidate can't make it with Edwards in the race. That's the bottom line, isn't it?

[sjdnb]

26. Oh, so sorry if we are unwilling to compromise our beliefs to 'deliver'

gifts to the party ... BAA WAA, get over it. There are some of us here who will never sell out what we believe is right, just to make nice with the party or 'win' at any cost.

[Tulkas]

34. Fine, you have that right. You asked why we feel the way we do. I answered it.

I am not trying to tell you what to feel. I am just explaining how I feel.

[The_Casual_Observer]

28. It's a cult thing with a few. There aren't really that many of them, but what they

lack in size they make up for in volume. I'd say 90% is 10 people maybe.

[babylonsister]

29. Again, all you do is bash and no one has a clue who you support; we just

know who you don't. Be constructive, support your candidate, for cryin' out loud!

[AX10]

31. Sound right.

At least Hillary supporters are gracious in their victories.

[Big Blue Marble]

41. You seem obsessive with the cult attacks.

You are all over this board screaming cult any time we disagree with you or defend our candidate.

Can you say something intelligent? I will repeat what I and other Obama supporters have said upthread.

I like Edwards. He would be my choice if Obama was not running. Get it. We are not slavish cultists because
we ardently support Obama anymore than you are for passionately supporting Edwards.

[The_Casual_Observer]

42. Who said I support Edwards?

I've seen it all before, unless your a member of the cult, you don't "get it" and aren't intelligent. Obama, EST, it's all the same shit & it's rather boring.

[Big Blue Marble]

45. I do not care whom you support.

I find your constant charge of cultist extremely boring.

I asked you to say something more intelligent, perhaps more creative and original.
Funny I had assumed that you had the capacity to do so. Now :shrug:

[The_Casual_Observer]

47. Shooo fly!

Oh, and I think you are stupid too! So there!

[Big Blue Marble]

55. Well actually I am not stupid,

I never said you were either. I am asking you to show me there is more to your discourse
than insults. It is always easier to to trash than to think. I suspect that there is more
to you than you are showing here. I hope so anyway.

[cboy4]

30. I think it's actually a relatively small number of Obama

supporters who are making things practically insufferable here -- the usual suspects, if you will.

I mean, the same names pop up over and over and over.

What bothers me more than anything is not their passion regarding their candidate.

They have a right to celebrate a nice win yesterday in South Carolina.

It's their vulture-like behavior of trying, like sleazy telemarketers, to convince Edwards supporters to give up on John and come running to their side.

Maybe they don't know how insulting and infuriating that is to us.

Or maybe they just don't give a rat's ass.

Or maybe it's a combination.

[Catherine Vincent]

37. You're right. They don't give a rat's ass.

They're desperate.

[babylonsister]

40. I see you're committed now. Congrats. nt

[Catherine Vincent]

46. My commitment will be when the nominee is chosen.

How many times do I have to tell you that?

[babylonsister]

53. You're constantly bashing him and his supporters, myself included.

So I just wonder. I'll stop now, because you're so open-minded.

[Catherine Vincent]

54. You're wrong.

I do bash his supporters, some of them. And I am more of a Clinton defender.

[Big Blue Marble]

43. Why we would we be desperate?

Obama is doing far better than most thought he would be doing at this point.

I think most of us are pleased. The race is still Hillary's to lose. But we are feeling pretty good right now. Ya pretty good.

[Catherine Vincent]

48. Obama is doing a fine job.

It's his shitty supporters that I frown on.

[Big Blue Marble]

57. I do not understand.

You guys insult us up one side and and down the other then call us shitty.

[Mass]

76. I know quite a few shitty Edwards and Clinton supporters. Strange you do not

frown on them.

[Catherine Vincent]

93. I frown at them too, it's just the Obama supporters outnumber them all.

Not all but a lot of them.

[BlackVelvet04]

82. ............................

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4239121

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4232236

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4239121

[Harper_is_Bush]

32. that would be a silly thing for them to do. n/t

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

38. There's always some on your side who you wish were on the other side

I'm quite frankly embarrassed by some of the posts I see from Obama supporters (as well as supporters of every other candidate, I should add). We're all friends here, there's no reason to get so nasty about it. I want Obama to win, but much, much more than that I want a DEMOCRAT to win.

[rodeodance]

50. They want his voters. Simple as that and will do anything to win.

[krabigirl]

64. well, they didn't get mine. Already voted! I would have gone uncommitted otherwise

[featherman]

58. Since I've never bashed John Edwards or his supporters in the least

I really don't understand the point of this thread. I have been bashed viciously and consistently by several Clinton, Edwards, Kucinich and "anonymous" supporters despite the fact (matter of written record) that I have remained polite and courteous throughout. Many others have remained polite and courteous. This has been my experience.

So this claim that Obama supporters as a whole are the big bashers on this board is some kind of smokescreen IMO. I've taken too much incoming to agree with that.

I will agree there are a lot of trolls on this board here to stir up trouble. Who knows who or what they are posing as.

[sjdnb]

59. If you're a DU contributor, do a search ... it ramped up

after South Carolina and has become increasingly insulting.

[BlackVelvet04]

79. here you go.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4227015

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4232236

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4239121

[jeffrey_X]

65. I support both Obama and Edwards, but will be voting for Obama

I don't get the divisive angle here that all candidates and there supporters MUST be against one another.

Grow up.

[goldcanyonaz]

66. They want you to stop supporting Edwards and start supporting Obama.

Most of the Obama supporters here assume that Edwards votes will go directly into Obamas voter bank.

It's been a common theme for a long time.

[rodeodance]

67. Yes, and Obama et al will do anything to win.

[goldcanyonaz]

68. Yep, his camp with say and do anything to win.

[Mass]

74. Sure....

[Occam Bandage]

71. The only threads you've yet linked to are policy-driven threads, in which

they are explicitly defending their candidate's records versus claims that Edwards is superior.

[BlackVelvet04]

80. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Occam Bandage]

81. 404 File Not Found? How *dare* they!

[BlackVelvet04]

83. that's weird....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4239121

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4232236

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4239121

[Mass]

73. Could that be because of some very nasty comments from some Edwards supporters.

Yes, I know, they are never nasty. Or at least they think so. But some are really bad.

[Adelante]

75. I'm not confused by some Edwards supporters' frivolous attacks on Obama

It means they don't like him. Other Edwards supporters do like Obama and don't attack him.

So what's confusing?

[indimuse]

84. sorry wesdem..

I'm not a JE supporter..but have to say..they are probably the most civil in DU...at least from what I've read! :)

[LizW]

77. Not confused

Some of the folks who are the biggest assholes here during this primary season are the same ones who were the biggest assholes during the 2004 primaries. I can't tell that they are concentrated around any one candidate. (Although they may be, I'm just not that carefully keeping up with who supports whom.)

The ignore list is a terrific tool. However, I never put anyone on it because then I'm too curious about what asinine thing they are saying that I'm missing. :evilgrin:

Some people are just assholes. They just ARE.

[allinktup]

85. I think it has something to do with the Clinton/Edwards private meeting

Call it a pre-emptive strike.

[1corona4u]

86. That's all they know.

Kind of scary if you ask me. It pisses me off too. Hence my agression towards them. If for no other reason than to not let them go unchecked.

[featherman]

87. I just reread this entire thread and all the name-calling and

bashing seems to be coming from the Edwards people. I am personally offended to be called: an asshole, stupid, cultist, and all the rest. Apparently there is some alternative universe in which this stuff is all okay if directed against Obama supporters by Edwards supporters.

[Triana]

88. I posted my previous post RE: :Edwards Addresses..."

...in a couple other places and the Obamites there are going CRAZY over it! I mean spitting and fuming and attacking and generally having a hizzy cow over it. Like you say, since Obama just won SC - WTF are they so worried about?

A little TRUTH?

Puh.

[Skidmore]

91. What are you talking about?

[zulchzulu]

92. I've seen Edwards supporters attacking Obama... whussup wit dat...

A few Rezko threads, a couple healthcare threads, whatever...

Enough of the crybaby act... if you want Edwards, support him. Get down to the local office... send money, do work in a Feb. 5 state... he needs your help.