So Hillary attacks Edwards for his support of China trade relations.

[Big Blue Marble]

How do she get away with the hypocrisy?

Clinton signs China trade bill

October 10, 2000
Web posted at: 6:28 p.m. EDT (2228 GMT)

By Matt Smith/CNN

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton closed years of political and economic debate Tuesday, and sealed a major achievement of his administration by signing a bill extending permanent, normal trade status to China.


"Today we take a major step toward China's entry into the World Trade Organization and a major step toward answering some of the central challenges of this new century," Clinton said in a bipartisan White House ceremony Tuesday afternoon.

"Trade with China will not only extend our nation's unprecedented economic growth, it offers us a chance to help shape the future of the world's most prosperous nation and to reaffirm our own global leadership for peace and prosperity."

The measure is considered the most important U.S. trade legislation since passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1993. But it faced a long campaign of opposition from labor, human rights and conservative groups who wanted to retain the annual review of trade relations with China."

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/10/clinton.pntr/

What am I missing? This was the bill that her husband wanted.

[Occam Bandage]

1. A hypocritical attack? In *this* primary?

[dkf]

2. She has no shame.

[xultar]

9. Can you help me with this. She signed the bill in 2000?

[Hydra]

3. Pot-kettle-black

I hope most people realize that her hands are just as dirty...and that she sees no particular problem with DOING the things she accuses of.

[xultar]

8. So she is accusing Edwards of doing somehting that she signed the bill for? I don't get it.

[jackson_dem]

4. Noted foe of working folk Ted Kennedy also voted for the China bill

Neither Clinton or Obamites who have attacked Edwards for it ever bother to mention who voted with him and why they did so.

[Occam Bandage]

6. Indeed. Ted Kennedy is not running for President on the strength of what a great fighter he is

for those losing their jobs to outsourcing.

[xultar]

5. So, you're saying Hillary Clinton signed the bill in 2000. I'm confused.

[parasim]

15. Hillary didn't sign it, it was in 2000. But it's a bill her husband favored

and his administration lobbied for heavily.

[xultar]

17. And so, ummm, since he wanted it, She wanted it right. That's what you're saying. She has no mind

of her own?

[parasim]

19. You've got a point there.

I'm just assuming that since he was for it, that she also was for it. But, you're right that is being a bit disingenuous on my part. Point taken.

I mean, I suppose she is against it, since her campaign is using it against Edwards. That now makes me wonder how she feels about NAFTA.

[xultar]

20. She busted Bill's nut on NAFTA...she said @ a Debate she disagreed with him on that.

and she didn't like how it was implemented. Live...on TEEVEE.

I'm currently trying to find something on it.

I know she didn't agree with him on Rwanda and wanted him to send troops in.

[parasim]

24. Well, there ya go. I didn't know that.

I must have missed that particular debate.

You're absolutely right, I am assuming way too much. You make a very good point and I realize that I'm falling into the same trap of thinking that her and her husband are a "team" and because of that, they agree on most everything. That is my mistake.

Your point has prompted me to look further into what she herself actually stands for.

[xultar]

34. You know that Hillary and Barak vote 94% the same don't you.

Just check them both out. Don't stop with personality...go deep, you'll see they are about the same on record.
Words are words. I can say and and say what I will do...but it is what I do that counts.

[parasim]

42. Yes, I am aware of that.

And no, I'm just going for personality. That's why I'm for Kucinich.

But even the Democrats won't take him seriously so we have to settle for one of the top three, and of them, I'm for Edwards or Obama.

Above all I want change in this country, and I am not convinced that Hillary will bring about change. Of course, it would be certainly be change with a woman president, but I'd rather someone like Barbara Boxer (I'd vote for her in nanosecond) to Hillary. I always felt (perhaps naively) that they (Hillary and Bill) came as a team. I tend to see her more as representing the status quo.

[Big Blue Marble]

41. Does she have a policy position on rescinding NAFTA?

If she does not that she is just blowing smoke with her regrets.

And what exactly does she dislike about the implementation?
It seems to being implemented as planned. Vacuuming jobs right out of the country just as Perot promised in 92.

[Tennessee Gal]

16. No, Bill Clinton signed it into law in October 2000 while he was

still President. Bill made it law and Hillary is dissing Edwards for voting for it. That is the hypocrisy.

[xultar]

18. So you're saying she agreed with the bill then. You're saying she has no mind of her own.

[rndmprsn]

7. he's as bad as me...losing strategy

for someone who will say anything/do anything...but change NOTHING!

[jackson_dem]

12. And it is a lie. Edwards has opposed EVERY trade bill in his career except this one

The lie is not his vote but the implication that he is as bad as her on trade. He voted against Africa trade twice, Andean trade, Singapore trade, Chile trade, opposed South Korea trade, Peru, and railed against NAFTA. He presumably also opposed Oman but I have not heard him speak on it so I didn't include that. Edwards is by far the most protectionist of the three candidates. Hillary?

12/04/2007 United States-Peru Trade Agreement NV
09/19/2006 U.S.-Oman Free Trade Agreement Implementation Y
06/29/2006 U.S. -Oman Free Trade Agreement Y
07/28/2005 CAFTA Implementation Bill N
06/30/2005 CAFTA Implementation Bill N
07/07/2003 U.S.-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act Y
07/07/2003 U.S.-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act Y
08/01/2002 Trade Act of 2002 N

She supported South Korea too. Obama supported Peru so it is likely she also did since they answer to the same masters. Can anyone tell us what Hillary's position on it was? Hillary also called NAFTA a "boon" for the economy less than a year ago.

[MethuenProgressive]

10. Is this "Clinton Robo Call" thread #7, or #8?

It's hard to keep track.

[creeksneakers2]

26. I think there is a

robo thread creator.

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. Rich, ain't it?

:eyes:

[cooolandrew]

13. She gets away with being called progressive. Bless her and big warm forgiving hugs. =)

[xultar]

22. Hillary and Obama vote 94% the same. So, you're putting Obama's progressiveness in

doubt too.

[billybob537]

14. Wow Rovian Projection. n/t

Hillary makes a better Republican than Rudy.

[Tennessee Gal]

21. Take a look at all the Dems who voted for the China Trade Bill

Alphabetical by Senator Name

Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Bryan (D-NV), Yea
Cleland (D-GA), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Edwards (D-NC), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Graham (D-FL), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerrey (D-NE), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Moynihan (D-NY), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Robb (D-VA), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

[gateley]

23. Seeing the "good guy" Dems voting for this makes me think there was something

valid about it.

Like NAFTA, which almost everyone supported, Biden said that the admin wasn't ADHERING to NAFTA as it was laid out-- which is how we got to where we are today. Could the same thing have happened with the China agreement?

This administration is astounding. Bush is truly like a king or dictator.

[Tennessee Gal]

25. Has anyone here researched that?

It could be you have a point.

[jackson_dem]

28. Edwards, I believe, has said part of the problem is China never held up its end of the bargain

[jackson_dem]

27. YES!!! That is why the punks who swiftboat Edwards NEVER. NEVER post the roll call

It seemed like a good idea at the time. TED KENNEDY, the greatest champion of working folk still breathing, voted for it!

Oh yeah, check out the list for the Patriot Act (everyone but Feingold), No Child Left Behind (91-8, 47-2 for Democrats. Ted Kennedy wrote it and only Feingold and one other voted against it. Kennedy, Wellstone, and Leahy all voted for it), and even the bankruptucy bill in 2001 that most Democrats, including Leahy voted for.

[gateley]

30. Ha! "It looked good on paper..." Despite all the politics and games, I still

believe that most of the people vote for what they believe is right. Partisan, yes, but that's why they are in different parties -- different ideals.

The one exception that comes to mind is Clinton's vote on Iran. There is no explanation for that other than it was politically motivated, with an eye toward the GE.

[RufusTFirefly]

32. Wow! Boxer? Kennedy? Edwards?? Bunch o' right-wing nuts!

:sarcasm:

[jackson_dem]

35. Ted Kennedy is rethug lite! Vote Obama, the only true progressive in Congress!

Kennedy also wrote No Child, voted for the Patriot Act. Other noted rethug lite senators like Paul Wellstone and Patrick Leahy voted for No Child and the Patriot Act as well. Leahy is such a rethug he voted for China too.

[xultar]

36. You must be fucking joking. Obama ain't no progressive. He votes the same as Hillary.

[jackson_dem]

38. I am sarcastically echoing what Obamites have been saying for a year about Edwards and Hillary

;)

[xultar]

39. I gotcha! How they believe he's so progressive is so beyond me.

[creeksneakers2]

29. Its about the hypocrisy of Edwards

Edwards pretends he's dedicated his entire life fighting for the poor and powerless but he leaves out the part about making all the money. Edwards also calls himself the champion of protectionism but he's not that when a given a closer look.

Hillary is just doing her job as a candidate by giving the other side.

[Tennessee Gal]

31. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Stop slinging that shit.

Edwards does not leave out the part about making all the money.

Want the truth about how he made his money?

Read this from 2001:

John Edwards, Esq.
Republicans believe that Americans will never elect a trial lawyer president. They're wrong.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0110.green.html

[jackson_dem]

33. Can you post Edwards' record on trade? Thank you in advance

[Tennessee Gal]

37. Self Delete

[jackson_dem]

40. Can you delete that?

Let's see if the attacker knows Edwards' record. I can bet you he doesn't...Funny how those who criticize his record the most are the most ignorant of it...

[Tennessee Gal]

43. Sorry. Thought you were asking me.

That poster doesn't have a clue about Edwards' record.

[jackson_dem]

44. Yup

Just like everyone who rails against his record. ;)

[creeksneakers2]

46. Edwards voted for most favored nation status for China

Edwards initially supported fast track authority for Bush but changed when a provision protecting textile mills was stripped.

The rest is anti-trade, though not as vocally until he ran for president. Shouldn't both sides be told?

[jackson_dem]

45. sneakers why don't you post Edwards' record on trade?

[creeksneakers2]

47. I didn't know I was responded to until a minute ago

I had to look up the details. I knew that he voted for MFN for China, so he isn't a pure as he likes people to believe. Why didn't voting for China MFN make him a corporatist? He did it to satisfy industries in his home state.