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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:38 PM
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Obama Winning Spin War Over Who's Victim In Campaign
Obama Winning Spin War Over Who's Victim In Campaign
By Greg Sargent - January 24, 2008, 3:57PM


One of the central struggles between the Obama and Hillary campaigns right now is this: Which of the two can successfully persuade voters that he or she is the fair-fighter being victimized by the other's out-of-control aggression? Which of the two can persuade voters that his or her opponent is using a steady stream of vicious, old-style attack politics to prevent history from being made?

Right now -- if media coverage, pundit opinion, and insider chatter among Dems is any guide -- it's hard not to conclude that Obama is winning this particular spin war handily.

At risk of overgeneralizing, much media coverage and commentary right now appears to be hewing closer to the Obama campaign's chosen narrative, which is roughly that the Clinton machine is using every gutter tactic at its disposal to halt the triumph of new politics and the making of history.

Today's Washington Post, for instance, is carrying a front-page piece reporting that Hillary's ad yesterday hitting Obama over his "party of ideas" comment is heightening "unity fears" among prominent Democrats. There's no mention in the article of the ad Obama released yesterday saying Hillary will "say anything" to win. The article also reports that top Democrats are concerned that Big Bad Billary's tactics could result in a "loss of black voters" in a general election. No one seems inclined to ask whether women would be upset at a Hillary loss.

Newsweek columnist Jonathan Alter, meanwhile, laments that Obama's "professorial and all-too-Stevensonian air" leave him hopelessly unequipped to handle the "two people teaming up against him." And a recent Daily News editorial expressed "distress that the Clintons have crossed the line into attacks." There's been tons more like this, frustrating some Clinton advisers who insist that Obama has managed to go negative on Hillary -- such as in yesterday's ad -- without being tagged in the same way.

"Only a Chicago politician could get away with attacking someone personally and call it the politics of hope," I was told by Democratic National Committeeman and top Hillary fundraiser Robert Zimmerman.

The Clinton camp would have you believe that this can be chalked up purely to the media's desire to "get" the Clintons. "No one has ever lost a media war with the Clintons," longtime Hillary supporter James Carville tells me. "Anybody that goes to the press with any grievance against the Clintons always wins. You can't lose. It's impossible. It's a loaded deck." Bill himself pressed a similar point yesterday, arguing that the press was over-obsessed with his own role.

But I'd argue that a more complex dynamic is at play. Whatever the media's role in this, the fact that this narrative is taking hold can be chalked up to two other factors. The first is that the Obama campaign's very conscious efforts to frame the race this way are working. The second is that this Obama effort has gotten a big assist from the strategic downside of having Bill play such a prominent role. In short, Big Dog's entry, whatever its upsides, has made it far easier for Obama to carve out the role of victim for himself.

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http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/obama_winning_spin_war_over_whos_victim_in_campaign.php
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:39 PM
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1. The Clintons blew it by including Bill so heavily - no one will see his campaign as a victim. nt
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:44 PM
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2. So says an Obama supporter/blogger
Objectivity and self-reflection are NOT Team Obama strong points, are they?

--p!
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:49 PM
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5. But who wants to be seen as a VICTIM? I don't see this as a positive development.
It makes Obama look naive and weak.


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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:51 PM
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8. Your right ...
Doesn't look very Presidential if you ask me.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:56 PM
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hmmm...aren't you Edwards supporters claiming the biggest
victimhood of all, that of being victim of the "MSM" that has "Edwards on Ignore" while "shutting him out"?

I read a lot of that around here. What say ye about that?
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:24 PM
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14. Uuh! I say that it is DU posters
and not the candidate himself Duh!
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:47 PM
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3. The Pity Strategy
I wrote about Obama trying to be the victim almost a month ago.

More on the official Obama Pity Strategy (this one got 14 recs until it was locked as "flame bait". Now a month later it's being talked about.)

The Pity Strategy Explained
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:48 PM
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4. So, Obama's the bigger victim? That's a campaign strategy?
Vote for me - I'm the biggest victim??? For President?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:03 PM
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16. I just saw Leo Terrel on Tweety
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 06:07 PM by doc03
and yesterday it was Jesse Jackson. Don't the Obama people know that those two will turn off white voters more than anybody. This looks really bad, this race war Obama has fueled is going to doom us to failure again. This would be comparable to Hillary sending David Duke out to defend her. Can't they see that?

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:50 PM
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6. He's not winning "spin" he winning the hearts of Americans who dislike the Clinton's recent behavior
The Clintons went too far.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:51 PM
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7. By playing poor, poor pitiful me?
That is NOT a winning strategy.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:53 PM
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10. Excuse me? Who was it that complained about a "hit job"?
Oh that's right, it was the Whiner-In-Chief, Bill Clinton.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:56 PM
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13. Wait a minute - whing is now a word for women, so you can't
use it for a man - didn't you get the memo? And I'm not the one who introduced this as a strategy FOR Obama - the OP did. Are you going to call me crumpet, or cupcake now, too?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:51 PM
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9. Bill always unzips too fast
Hillary may have to cry again pretty soon to sway the tide. The cackle thing just doesn't have the same effect.

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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:53 PM
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11. The Clintons know Obama's winning this one.
They trotted out Carville this morning on the Today Show saying "Obama needs to quit his whining!".

Pray-tell me Jimmy! Are you advising Obama for his own good or Hillary's?

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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:56 PM
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12. How is this positive for Obama??? He is coming off as a whiny weenie. I think that he waited too
long to respond to the Clintons attacks and should have nipped it in the bud. Now with Obama's first attack on Hillary at the last debate, the line has been drawn and there is no turning back because the Clintons fight to the end. I'm afraid this will continue on through the election. I'm glad I'm supporting John Edwards.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:40 PM
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15. it is only positive for obama in SC, outside in the real world hrc
has gained in so many of the 2/5 states......as the press will report it saturday night cause they just love to repeat themselves and they will surely tell us all that x% of blacks voted for obama, and why is that obama does not want the media to report how many blacks voted for him in sc? ever think about that....he knows his campaign will be viewed as the black peoples campaign, and it is something they do not want.....i e jesse jackson 88

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