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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:44 PM
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Hillary on Reagan: "He played the balance and the music beautifully"

Adwatch: Dueling Obama, Clinton ads

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ANALYSIS:

"Ideas":

These dueling radio ads are a continuation of a recent spat that stems from comments Obama made Jan. 14 in an interview with the Reno Gazette-Journal editorial board. At one point, Obama discussed Republicans and President Ronald Reagan in the context of elections that represent shifts in political direction. At no point does Obama endorse Republican ideas, which is a strong implication in the Clinton ad. Indeed, at one point he is actually dismissive of Republican tax cut policies.

In his interview, Obama said: "I do think that, for example, the 1980 election was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 60s and the 70s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think he tapped into what people were already feeling. Which is, 'we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.'

"I think Kennedy 20 years earlier moved the country in a fundamentally different direction. So I think a lot of it has to do with the times. I think we're in one of those times right now, where people feel like things as they are going aren't working. That we're bogged down in the same arguments that we've been having, and they're not useful. And the Republican approach, I think, has played itself out.

"I think it's fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10-15 years in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom."

"Now, you've heard it all before. You look at the economic policies that are being debated among the presidential candidates and it's all tax cuts. Well, you know, we've done that, we've tried it. That's not going to solve our energy problems, for example."

"Anything Radio":

Clinton did speak in favor of the North American Free Trade Agreement, which was enacted during her husband's presidency, in the 1990s. She has since said the trade deal "did not realize the benefits it ... promised." She and Obama have said they would reopen NAFTA to strengthen enforcement of labor and environmental standards. Clinton did vote for the use of force resolution that paved the way for the war in Iraq. She has said she was not voting for war, but for leverage over Iraq.

Clinton does comment on Reagan in Tom Brokaw's book "Boom! Voices of the Sixties: Personal Recollections on the '60s and Today." But it is Brokaw, not Clinton, who describes her assessment of Reagan as "tribute."

In the book, Clinton expresses a preference for Reagan over current conservatives such as Karl Rove. Brokaw writes that Clinton told him that Reagan was "a child of the Depression, so he understood it (economic pressures on the working and middle class). When he had those big tax cuts and they went too far, he oversaw the largest tax increase. He could call the Soviet Union the Evil Empire and then negotiate arms-control agreements. He played the balance and the music beautifully."

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:46 PM
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1. Thanks for finding that! nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:55 PM
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2. Kick! n/t
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:56 PM
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3. "He played the balance and the music beautifully"

And she wasn't talking about his abilities in the physics lab or with a clarinet.

Sounds like a tribute to me.

I think she and her supporters should just drop the whole "Obama worships Ronnie Ray-gun" thing.

Its not a substantive issue. And as soon as she and her supporters do, Obama should stop making an issue about what she said about St. Ronnie of the Trickle Down.

Much like the non existent issue over the "Present" votes in IL.

Clinton supporters do not make themselves look very likable when they push this misleading (and sometimes outright false) factoids. In fact, they remind me of the "gotcha" tactics of the Republicans. (Can't wait for the appearance of band-aids with the logo "I voted.... Present" at our national convention... oh how proud I will be of our Democrats! :sarcasm:)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:04 PM
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4. Kick n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:21 PM
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5. Kick! n/t
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:23 PM
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6. Clinton Liked Reagan's Income Disparity So Much, He Went Wild
The executive class did very well in the age of irrational exuberance. Historically, cosmically well.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:26 PM
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7. Hillary praises Reagan
Bill praises Rove.

Whats not to like ?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:09 PM
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17. Kick! n/t
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:27 PM
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8. OMG ! She di INT ! Horror of horrors! Will she run a radio ad against herself now??
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:33 PM
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16. Kick! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:24 PM
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9. Kick! n/t
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:27 PM
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10. She can run a radio ad against herself....
....then insist that Obama take it down.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:28 PM
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14. Kick! n/t
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:41 PM
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11. The shoe is no on the other foot
That was the same subject post I used after reading that Clnton said that Karl Rove did good work. See today's Greatest Threads if you haven't already read that post.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:33 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:15 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:09 AM
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:33 AM
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18. HRC = Raygun Dem = AU H2O girl
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