What a joke-Bill Clinton was asked by a reporter if Obama's running against HIM or Hillary or both

[jenmito]

of them, and he made it seem as if it was OBAMA who seemed to be running against HIM with his comment about the 90s...as if Bill didn't start the whole thing with his many comments about Obama. :eyes:

[ccpup]

1. it's an amateur mistake

Obama took his eyes off the ball and is wasting valuable time, energy and resources having a fight with one of the Democrat Party's most popular figures. Hillary, in the meantime, continues to consolidate her lead in the Super Tuesday States and meet voters door-to-door, on-message and undistracted.

He should suck it up and focus on earning the voters' trust, not have a tit-for-tat (and continue to get media coverage of it) with Bill Clinton. It's not good Press.

[Kittycat]

4. Oh that's right. Because ignoring it worked so well for Kerry.

Give me a break.

[ccpup]

6. in the General, no, respond effectively and quickly

in the Primary -- when one's resources aren't as great and one doesn't yet have the nomination -- then, yeah, it's an amateur mistake.

But I'm perfectly happy to watch Obama and his Keystone Cops Campaign Staff shadowbox Bill in SC while Hillary hits the Big States and focuses on what's important: consolidating her leads and locking in as many delegates as possible on Feb 5th.

[Tellurian]

28. CNN just said, Obama doesn't like the personal attacks..

UNLESS HE'S DOING THE ATTACKING!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ccpup]

31. poor guy

It was much easier running against Batshit Cuckoo Bananas Whackjob Crazy Allan Keyes (who the GOP didn't even support). I'm beginning to think he fully expected this Presidential Race to be a Coronation or a Cake Walk or something.

:shrug:

[Tellurian]

41. Obama is Preacher material not Presidential Timber

unless he a sapling needing wind stakes until he matures. I've never heard such whimpering and whining coming from a candidate running for president, ever. John Edwards set the right tone last night. People aren't interested in Obama's problems. They're interested in "what can you do for me as my president?" Which is why I'm glad my candidate chose to address our faltering economy, ready with a proposal geared to economic stabilization and a solution to the mortgage crisis.

you can see Hillary's proposal here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHw4svepcSc

[Hello_Kitty]

55. Yeah, you should sit there and let your primary opponent's famous husband smear you

It's so unseemly for Obama to defend himself against lies.

[CoffeeCat]

18. This is the Clinton Attack Machine...this is what they do...

They take an opponents words. Twist them seven ways to Sunday, into a sinister, lie-based
distortion.

The candidate defends themselves, by explaining and clarifying their original statement.

The Clintons then accuse their opponent of flip flopping and for backtracking, insisting that
their sinister, lie-based distortion was really what the opponent said. Even though it wasn't.

When the candidate tries to further clarify, the Clintons accuse their opponent of being "frustrated"
and "looking for a fight" when the opponent tries to defend themselves against the sinister, lie-based
distortion--which, by now, has been repeated a hundred times by the MSM.

Then, the Clintons position their opponent as someone who is fighting and wasting America's time
with bickering. The Clintons then position themselves as "above the fray" and they decry the
endless fighting and horrible campaign tactics of their opponent.

Then, the Clintons say they are moving on from this horrible mess and are only interested in
the American people, unlike their opponent--who only wants to attack and fight.

The fight stops, until the Clintons twist another opponent statement into another sinister, lie-based distortion---
approximately two-to-three hours later.

Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

[ellisonz]

23. BINGO!

We have a winnner.

[Harper_is_Bush]

54. Often times it is good advice to ignore negative attacks. Don't think just because

the maxim didn't hold true for the Swiftboat campaign, that it's a universal truth now.

The Swiftboaters kept up a well-financed and steady campaign of very convincing lies, and the Kerry campaign couldn't have anticipated how it would make it into pupular discourse as much as it did.

A candidate that runs around answering every little comment or implication against him would look silly and ineffectual.

[Beacool]

8. Yep, Hillary is coming to Jersey City tomorrow night!!!

She's having a rally in JC at 7 PM. I can hardly wait!!! I'm working the sign-in table and I'm as happy as a bed bug to see her!!!

It's sponsored by a latino alliance and senator Menendez will be in attendance, plus several mayors.


:bounce:

[ccpup]

16. congratulations!

and thank you for working the sign-in table. Nice to see someone actively involved and not just clacking away on a computer.

:hi:

[Capn Sunshine]

keep at it , young jedi

maybe your mind tricks will work some day.

[Kittycat]

2. Where was this?

It's pretty clear that Bill was out attacking Obama, before Obama said anything.

BTW - I wonder if Bill got the sleep he desperately seemed to need yesterday.

[jenmito]

7. I don't know. It was a reporter asking him a question really close up like maybe in a diner or

some other small place. They showed it on MSNBC just now.

[juajen]

22. That was sad and endearing. He does have a heart condition

you know. After my husband's quadruple by-pass he needs much more rest. I'm sure Bill was exhausted. We tend to give him supernatural qualities. He is, after all, human. God grant him some rest this week, please. Of course, that goes for Hillary, also. She is amazing, but I do worry about the constant drain of energy. This is some race!

[ellisonz]

26. "We tend to give him supernatural qualities. He is, after all, human."

Monica can TESTIFY!

:sarcasm:

[jenmito]

27. Sorry, lying about your spouse's opponent is not endearing...

He should stop doing that if he's in poor health.

[DJ13]

3. Do the Hillary supporters realize that by acting like this is HIS campaign....

......Bill is minimizing Hillary's importance as far as running for President?

Any bets that if Hillary actually wins the Presidency, Bill will try to put his own hand on the Bible at the swearing in ceremony?

[Barack_America]

5. All that matters is winning the prize...

Right now all that matters is winning the Nomination, even if that means giving the Republicans plenty of ammo for the general election.

[jenmito]

11. Exactly. Winning is the most important thing to the BOTH of 'em.

[mondo joe]

46. That's how you win elections. NT

[jenmito]

48. That's how you win primaries and LOSE general elections.

[jenmito]

9. They BETTER realize it before voting for him. He's still a smooth liar, that's for sure...

and he'll bring back all the partisanship of the 90s. That's hardly "change."

[robbedvoter]

15. No objections from me! Bill is at 89% approval.

[jenmito]

20. 89%?

I bet it's MUCH lower now, even though I don't believe your number.

[JackORoses]

21. Bill WAS at 89% approval before he became an attack dog

Now people are getting tired of his antics.

[jenmito]

25. I think it was 69%, but you're right about it being lower now...

I know I no longer approve of him!

[robbedvoter]

36. 69% then 89% now. he is an asset. it's why Obama wants him out.

[jenmito]

38. Got a link to back that up?

[mondo joe]

57. Both Clintons know more about winning elections than you will in your life.

If they want your consultation they'll contact you!

[zulchzulu]

10. Bill's reptilian compartmentalized brain must have been thrown off for a second

I'm sure he quickly devised a lie as all compulsive liars do so very well.

[AtomicKitten]

12. Loved his comment: "It's hard to tell who I'm running against sometimes."

How apropos. :thumbsup:

Hey Jen :hi:

[jenmito]

14. So did I...

and Bill has the nerve to act like it's OBAMA who chose to take it to HIM!

Hey AK! :hi:

[robbedvoter]

17. Running for president is...hard work.

[Tellurian]

42. Sad, Obama is easily confused when faced with a simple problem

NRFPT= not ready for prime time!

[robbedvoter]

13. Clenis always did it! It's the law!

Blaming Clinton is old as hills (and usually blows back in the blamers' face). And it's a side show of the actual campaign. Which Hillary conducts quite well.

[Blarch]

19. Fuck Bill

he has ruined himself. we never needed to see Bill as an attack dog ...but here we are.

[wisteria]

24. That sums it all up nicely. n/t

[tularetom]

29. Ha - to Clinton, EVERYTHING is about him

He can't imagine anybody else being the center of attention including Hillary.

[jenmito]

30. Exactly. And presidents aren't allowed to have more than 2 terms even though it looks like

that's exactly what he's trying for the only way he can.

[Bitwit1234]

32. Well you know we could ask the same about Oprah and McCurkin.

[jenmito]

34. You're not very bright, are you?!

[Cha]

33. bill clinton is so amateur..

he needs to be quarenteened and make sure he's had all his shots.

[jenmito]

35. Perfectly put cartoon!

Thanks! :hi:

[Cha]

37. I cannot stand that

slime ball..who knew it would come to this?

[jenmito]

39. Same here.

Who woulda thunk he'd behave this way?

[Tellurian]

45. OMG... hahahahahahahahahahaha!

I hope you don't mind if I spam this!

Big Dawg looks like a Big Bear!

Hill-arious!

[GoldieAZ49]

40. This is the Clinton Attack Machine...this is what they do...

Posted by TwoSparkles

They take an opponents words. Twist them seven ways to Sunday, into a sinister, lie-based
distortion.

The candidate defends themselves, by explaining and clarifying their original statement.

The Clintons then accuse their opponent of flip flopping and for backtracking, insisting that
their sinister, lie-based distortion was really what the opponent said. Even though it wasn't.

When the candidate tries to further clarify, the Clintons accuse their opponent of being "frustrated"
and "looking for a fight" when the opponent tries to defend themselves against the sinister, lie-based
distortion--which, by now, has been repeated a hundred times by the MSM.

Then, the Clintons position their opponent as someone who is fighting and wasting America's time
with bickering. The Clintons then position themselves as "above the fray" and they decry the
endless fighting and horrible campaign tactics of their opponent.

Then, the Clintons say they are moving on from this horrible mess and are only interested in
the American people, unlike their opponent--who only wants to attack and fight.

The fight stops, until the Clintons twist another opponent statement into another sinister, lie-based distortion---
approximately two-to-three hours later.

Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
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(sorry, I don't know how to "quote" another post)

ABSOLUTELY and in addition to that:
While Barack and the media are busy going after Bill, Hillary can run unchecked and unchallenged and win the nomination. It is, so far, very effective. I know it will not work in the GE.

Remember their campaign in 92, all the comments Hillary made (ie: I don't see myself wasting time baking cookies, etc.) distracted the media focus to her and Bill won. He is now returning the favor. He is very good at fake outrage. If there was really voter intimidation in Vegas, why wouldn't the leader of the Democratic Party file a complaint? Who and where are those 8 voters? Just because Hillary won it is no big deal? hmmmm

The Obama camp better start campaigning against Hillary. Let one of Obama's aides (Or Michele - that would be best, Bill would not dare call out a woman supporting her husband) correct Bill, it will dismiss him as irrelevant.

[jenmito]

49. Exactly...

And as to your last paragraph, not only did I start a thread yesterday saying the same exact thing, that Michelle should respond to Bill's lies, but the Obama campaign called me today and I suggested just that to them. :hi:

[GoldieAZ49]

53. GREAT and they now have a truth squad

So now Obama can forget about Bill and run against Hillary

Also check out this new site: http://factcheck.barackobama.com/

and the email tonight: (sorry, kinda long)



I support Barack Obama because he doesn't seek to perfect the politics of Swiftboating -- he seeks to end it.

This is personal for me, and for a whole lot of Americans who lived through the 2004 election.

As a veteran, it disgusts me that the Swift Boats we loved while we were in uniform on the Mekong Delta have been rendered, in Karl Rove's twisted politics, an ugly verb meaning to lie about someone's character just to win an election. But as someone who cares about winning this election and changing the country I love, I know it's not enough to complain about a past we can't change when our challenge is to win the future -- which is why we must stop the Swiftboating, stop the push-polling, stop the front groups, and stop the email chain smears.

The truth matters, but how you fight the lies matters even more. We must be determined never again to lose any election to a lie.

This year, the attacks are already starting. Some of you may have heard about the disgusting lies about Barack Obama that are being circulated by email. These attacks smear Barack's Christian faith and deep patriotism, and they distort his record of more than two decades of public service. They are nothing short of "Swiftboat" style anonymous attacks.

These are the same tactics the right has used again and again, and as we've learned, these attacks, no matter how bogus, can spread and take root if they go unchecked.

But not this time -- we're fighting back.

And when I say "we," I mean that literally. I know Barack is committed to fighting every smear every time. He'll fight hard and stand up for the truth. But he can't do it alone.

We need you to email the truth to your address books. Print it out and post it at work. Talk to your neighbors. Call your local radio station. Write a letter to the editor. If lies can be spread virally, let's prove to the cynics that the truth can be every bit as persuasive as it is powerful.

The Obama campaign has created a place where you can find the truth you'll need to push back on these smears and a way to spread the truth to all of your address book.

Take action here:

http://my.barackobama.com/factcheckaction

So when your inbox fills up with trash and the emails of smear and fear, find the facts, and help defeat the lies.

Barack Obama is committed to bringing our country together to meet the challenges we face, but he knows that power gives up nothing without a struggle -- and to win the chance to change America, we must first defeat the hateful tactics that have been used to tear us apart for too long.

With your help, we can turn the page on an era of small, divisive politics -- but only if next time you hear these attacks on Barack, you take action immediately:

http://my.barackobama.com/factcheckaction

The fight is just heating up -- we won't let them steal this election with lies and distortions.

Thank you,

John Kerry

[Major Hogwash]

43. Bill can't deny it any more - he's on stage as much as Hillary has been lately.

When she couldn't find anyone else to help her, she turned to the last Democrat president sitting across the table from her.

And you thought this was going to be easy - getting rid of the DLC in 2008??

[jenmito]

51. It's amazing that Obama's doing as well as he is, having to run against BILL Clinton as well as

Hillary. I'm afraid it may be impossible for Obama to beat them, but I think he's doing better than any other opponent COULD do against them. What an unfair fight!

[cobalt1999]

44. It's a pity Gore didn't unleash Bill during his election

Don't underestimate Bill Clinton because he won't quit, he'll keep the fight going until his opponent gives up. This won't end until Obama yells "uncle" if history is any indication.

[Tellurian]

47. Yes, and the same tactic has been called for now... NO BILL...just HILL!

If Gore had dismissed Lieberman's advise, he would be preparing to wrap up the last leg of his presidency.

I'm glad Bill has had a chance to redeem himself, after Gore thought he would be a detriment to his campaign.

GO BILL&HILL!

[jenmito]

52. That was regarding the GENERAL election.

Apples and oranges.

[sandnsea]

50. Bill doesn't fight that way for anybody else n/t

[teleharmonium]

56. bill has burned out his goodwill

and now he's into the negative on my appreciation meter.
Hard to believe he would get there now, after all those years when it was hard to defend him and I did it anyway.

[jenmito]

58. I think many people feel the same way.

:hi: