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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:43 PM
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2008 is the year women, 35 and up, take back their country
The huge story the endless array of talking heads keep minimizing is the fact that women, 35 and older, are coming out in enormous numbers in Democratic contests, driving up the total vote up to almost double the amount it has been in previous cycles.

It is the one trend that so far does not seem to be a fluke. It has occurred, on the Democratic side, in each contest so far.

If these numbers keep holding up during the primary season and on into the general election, women could be 55% or more of the total vote in November, with older women leading the statistical surge.

If that occurs, it bodes very well for us in the fall.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:45 PM
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1. I only hope they are voting for the right reasons n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:46 PM
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3. did you ever wonder that about men?
just wondering
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:07 AM
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16. If you implying I am sexist then you are full of shit
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:08 AM by Horse with no Name
I would hope that people who have never voted coming out in droves voting should be because they FEEL it is the best candidate and that they are informed. If they are just voting because John Edwards has nice hair, or we need a Black President or we need a Woman President without considering the issues...then they are voting for the wrong reason.
IF you consider the issues and come up with that person as the best candidate, then so be it. People need to understand that they aren't voting for American Idol...they really need to remember that their vote is precious and important, not to be thrown away for a silly reason.

On edit:
and for your information...had the OP said MORE teens, MORE men, MORE anything...I would have had the same response.
Not everybody is a fucking misogynist.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:08 AM
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18. lots of men won't vote for a female or black nominee
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:09 AM by Skittles
pick on them instead of worrying about the motives of female voters
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:10 AM
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19. I'm not picking on anyone
Do you want to fucking censor my speech now? I am a woman over 35 and I have every fucking right to say my opinion as you do.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:13 AM
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20. LOL nt
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:15 AM
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24. LOL yourself. Trying to start shit where none exists. Figures. n/t
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DemIdeals Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:43 PM
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50. lolling at you large skittles
nt
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:37 AM
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33. I'm wondering why you're bringing up Edwards's "nice hair"
as a possible voting motive and hoping women aren't "throwing away" votes for "silly" reasons.

I'm not calling you sexist or a misogynist, but I am hoping you'll examine why you're thinking of women's votes in these terms.

Whether someone is voting for frivolous reasons is just something I would never have thought to question, regardless of sex, age or any other factor.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:39 AM
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35. Because of the haircut?
Do you remember the hot topic it was?
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:33 AM
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44. I guess I can't understand why anyone would vote based on hair
or think anyone would vote based on hair.

:shrug:
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:13 AM
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42. Maybe women are tired of seeing people die
Or tired of watching their family's security being eroded.

Or tired of being lied to.

Or tired of being minimized.

Maybe women are turning out in greater numbers because they know better than most that now may be the last chance to set our country back on track to the future we would hope for for our children.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:47 PM
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4. Well, they clearly are not coming out for Republicans....
So, from that standpoint, I'd say they are out for the right reasons. I'll support any of the three, but if they are coming out for HRC, then so be it. Perhaps we really do need both on the ticket.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:01 AM
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12. I am!
JRE is the only option for this older woman.

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:23 AM
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26. Each voter has a "right" reason.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:24 AM
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27. I would happily vote for a woman if I could find one
that represented my views.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:08 PM
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49. Amen. n/t.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:37 AM
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31. What a peculiar comment
With a condescending ring to it.

Who decides if those voters' reasons are right? I should think it would be the voters themselves.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:42 AM
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36. Not near as damn condescending as your pos*t
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:43 AM by Horse with no Name
I guess commenting on anything pertaining to women is verboten here? What a crock. Sounds like you have a few unresolved issues.
Oh by the way...I am an avid feminist.
So don't even go THERE.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:01 AM
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39. I understand what you are saying...
...far too well.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:45 PM
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2. Interesting...
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:48 PM
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5. take it back? I don't think anybody let them have it before, did they? ;) n/t
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:51 PM
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8. True
It'll be a bright, shiny new toy. And a brave, new world.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:13 AM
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21. A bright, shiny new toy?
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:16 AM by fooj
How can that be? More like an exhausting ping-pong match...Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton.

Perfect strawman setup.

Honestly, I would like to think that women are smarter than that. We wouldn't be "taking our country back"...unless "back" means handing it back over. Don't you think out of 340+ million Americans there just might be someone besides Bush/Clinton that has the ability to lead our country? Looks like we have had only 2 families to choose from for a very long time. Seriously. Thirty-six years combined. Isn't 2008 supposed to be all about change?


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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:50 PM
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6. Yet they're not treated well by either party
Here's hoping they see through the BS and pick a good candidate.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:50 PM
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7. Yep, The dames will take Hill all the way. Count on it
:P
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:52 PM
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9. .
:popcorn:
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:54 PM
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10. what about women Below 35?! do I not count? nt
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:56 PM
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11. It means that women 35 and older are coming out in droves...
We do less well getting younger women out. That is all.... Your vote counts, but not as a secular trend....:shrug:
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NJObamaWoman Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:04 AM
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15. I'm below too. I guess we don't count.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:08 AM
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17. Would you two get a grip and drop the woe is me...
The bulk of increase has been in women 35 and older. Want the discussion moved to your age demographic? Get up and convince your fellow females to go to the polls. Sorry, but young people of both genders are typically less likely to vote. And single women across the age spectrum have similarly been less likely to vote.

Want your vote to REALLY count? Then get out the vote.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:37 AM
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32. Hey I do vote, in every election! the truth is Hillary appeals to just one specific group of women
doesn't it bother you that she doesn't get closer to 100% of the democratic bases womens vote?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:04 AM
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48. I remain uncommitted. What would bother me....
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 09:06 AM by hlthe2b
would be if ANY candidate got close to 100% of the democratic base of any group. That would mean that the votes were blindly based on gender,(or race or ethnicity or whatever it might be) rather than an assessment of their policies that line up with the voter's own beliefs.

And as I said, want to have your age group become a focus? Then get other females of your age cohort to vote!
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:03 AM
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13. As Eleanor Roosevelt said,
"It's up to the women!"
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:03 AM
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14. "2008 is the year women, 35 and up, take back their country"...
Hmmm...I thought it was all of our country. Silly me. Sounds more to me like the beginning of the end of the Democratic Party.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:14 AM
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23. Amen to that.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:32 AM
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29. You have a problem with winning?
n/t
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:50 AM
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38. LOL...no, but I do have a problem with taking unnecessary risks
at a time when we need to be focused in winning. Hillary, as unpopular as she is, is an unnecessary risk.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:02 AM
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40. Well out of the three plausible choices we have left
I think she's by far the most electable on national security issues.
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MercerForPrez Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:14 AM
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22. 2008 is the year of Lee Mercer, Jr.
Get over it, ruggerson.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:23 AM
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25. Hi sniffa!
Life been treating ya good?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:25 AM
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28. Three cheers for women! (around the world) It's about time!
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:06 AM
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41. For what? Time to elect a woman who slanders other women for having the courage to
let others know they've been sexually harrassed by her husband?

Just knowing that Hillary would in a heartbeat do the same thing to me that she did to Gennifer Flowers and others makes me Sick!
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:36 AM
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30. What a day that would be :)
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:37 AM
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34. With all the Clinton dirty tricks and Bill out campaigning like he is the one running,
I have lost any desire to vote for Senator Clinton. I don't see this so much any more as Hillary's campaign but Bill and his cronies. And, I for one am disheartened to think we will possibly have more of the same old same old with the Clinton's in the White House again.

If Senator Clinton really wanted to prove she was independent of her husband she should of ran using her maiden name.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:49 AM
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37. 2008 is the year corporate america reestablishes itself as
with new, smarter management in the White House. With a president that can speak english. and obey corporate masters.

What more could they want!?!?!?
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:20 AM
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43. could be; i think the collective pissed-offness of women is reaching critical mass. nt
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:34 AM
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45. Will they go to war in Iran if called upon? That's what worries me. Lieberman
is still out there.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:36 AM
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46. Women over 35 already vote in high numbers in every election.
Its one of the most active demographics. There's nothing new about that.
It wouldn't be the kind of shift in the electorate that engaging more young people or minorities could produce.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:38 AM
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47. Um, you're mistaken.
It's not just "women 35 and up" who are voting. Democratic turnout is up across the board. It's not any one group that's driving the numbers, any more than it was in 2004 or 2006 when the trend was starting.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:49 PM
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51. This amazes me. I know many woman 35 years and up that despise Clinton
and say they won't vote for her.
Go figure. This phenomenon wasn't present in Iowa. It just occurred in the last to primary elections. I would suggest that two elections does not equal a trend.



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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:54 PM
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52. are you kidding? There are machines counting the votes. This is the year
ES&S takes over the country....again.
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