Edwards's Message

[liberalmike27]

I think, other than Kucinich that Edwards is certainly the truest democrat up there. Imagine an election between McCain and Hillary; Remember George Wallace used to say (and Huey Long) that there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between the democratic and republican party? If these two get the nod, it won't be a penny's worth, or a mill's worth. Oh, pardon the pun.

On his two Americas; I know what he is saying, but I wonder if some don't see it as more socialist than it really is. Certainly Edwards isn't advocating that we all earn the same. I think where this message falls short is that he doesn't explain that he doesn't want that, and that people will still become wealthy. As far as I'm concerned, even if he gets a more firm economic foundation for everyone, we'll still have two Americas in the sense that he is using the term. But he really needs to retool his message, and talk of an economic floor, perhaps. There will always be the rich, but certainly it shouldn't mean that we should have so many poor folks to make it so. A system where the rich aren't so rich, and the poor aren't so poor is possible, and certainly leaves enough ground for motivation for more.

[cali]

1. Oh for pity's sake, if you can't see the difference between McCain

and Clinton, you're blind. McCain wants to fucking drop the corporate tax rate drastically. He wants to stay in Iraq forever. He's strongly anti-choice and would appoint Scalia type justices. Hillary Clinton isn't my choice by a long shot, but I recognize that she woulld do none of those things.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. Do they both support corporations? Do they both support the War? Clinton needs to clearly....

ouline how SHE will REVERSE what the Republicans have done to this country. I need to hear her say she will REVERSE what the Repukes have done.

[FreakinDJ]

4. Clinton is not going to "Reverse" any thing

[cali]

8. Sure she will. She'll reverse the right wing trend on the court

Do you have any idea what will happen if there's a repuke in office when either Ginsberg or Stevens resigns? It's not just about choice. It's about virtually everything.

[cali]

7. Look, she's said it repeatedly. Whether you or I believe her is

another story, but the differences between McCain and Clinton are brilliantly clear. Maybe you don't give a shit if the SC goes full tilt boogie to the wingnut right, but I do. And you should. And there's so much more that they part company on. I know one thing: Hillary does not favor a giant give away in the form of massive tax cuts to corporations. McCain does.

Some of you have completely lost the forest for the trees.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

9. Okay, whom do you honestly think is the candidate that would win against the Repukes?

Of course, I realize it's all a crap shoot, but what's your opinion?

[cali]

11. depends. I think they could all win against Romney or Huck

I think they all might have more trouble with McCain. I don't think Edwards is more electable- and I never have.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

12. I think Edwards is far more electable

If corporations would stop manipulating the election by refusing to show Edwards, Edwards would be the front runner. The only reason he's been shut out, is because corporations know this, and corporations have been getting a free ride for too damned long.

This country remains sexist, it remains racist, and if you think sexist and racist people don't notice Clinton is female and Obama is black, you're deluding yourself. Plus, Clinton is a person the Repukes spent all their lives destroying. The epithets against her are already-made. They've been used for years. The Repukes don't even have to hire marketing specialists to come up with some. They're already there.

However, corporations would much rather have a Republican, because with a Republican, they can continue to make profits like never before. So they will block Edwards all the way to ensure unelectables are selected as nominee for the Dems.

Just my opinion.

[cali]

13. I don't think this country is either too racist or too sexist to elect

a woman or a black man. And furthermore, I think the repuke machine would have a much tougher time with negative framing with those two than with JE.

And I think that the idea that the reason JE hasn't succeeded is because of corporate interference, is mostly bullshit. He had a chance in Iowa and NH- retail politics states- and he failed. That's the bottom line.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

14. Then you're either a white male, or a white female unaware of racism and the glass ceiling and...

female abuse rates.

[stravu9]

20. you must be really sheltered!

remember Harold Ford , who outclasses Obama in my book!
And you don't think there is not a TON of animosity aimed at Hillary from all sides?

[comradebillyboy]

6. stop it, you are using facts and logic to counter

an emotional argument with no basis in reality. Its just not right to let the truth get in the way of someones personal version of reality is it?

Excellent point you make. None of our candidates are republicans; they are not clones of each other and there are legitimate distinctions to draw. Making blatantly false accusations about any candidate (like those in the op) does not bolster the credibility of ones case or one's personal integrity.

[OzarkDem]

21. Appointing judges who favor abortion doesn't mean crap

when the economy tanks, unemployment is in double digits and we have endless war in the mideast.

I plan to make sure I leave this country to my kids in better shape than it was when I grew up. That won't be possible if we stay the course.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. BRAVO! Well said! nt

[stravu9]

18. Agreed!

Go John!

[stravu9]

5. When , Pray ,has the Corporate Media Given Him A CHANCE

To explain what he means by his 2 America's?

[frogcycle]

10. you are correct

There is a vast difference between objecting to feudalism, which is what the oligarchs seek and are systematically moving toward, and promoting socialism.

The middle class was created largely by the rise of labor unions. Prior to that the message in the song "Sixteen Tons" was the rule. Load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt."

Reagan's union-busting and deregulation furor was teh opening salvo in a full-frontal assault on that middle class. The oligarchs want NO responsibility to workers; they honestly could not care less if people are starving, without healthcare, etc. Tiny Tim can go pound sand, as far as Scrooge is concerned. They have no bread? "Let them eat cake."

Everyone who is not filthy rich should be looking to Edwards as our Civil Rights leader*. Because we will ALL be without civil rights, without decent job opportunities, without voting rights before long. If he does not become POTUS, I hope he becomes an activist like them, and Norma Rae, and Erin Brockovich, et al. There could be a populist movement that in fact WOULD create a new Populist Party - not sufficient time to do so for the '08 election, perhaps, but it could start seating congresspeople two years hence, and be viable in 2012.
With people like Maddow, Hartman, Moore, etc as spokespeople, Edwards and others as activists, a real, organized movement could happen.


* Don't get me wrong; civil rights leaders like Dr. King were tackling an even-more-overt, hate-filled, and dangerous establishment than is Edwards. His assassination proves that point. I am not deifying Edwards or equating his heroism to that of Dr. King. I am just saying that there are parallels.

[stravu9]

15. we , the people

need an FDR Democrat we need John Edwards!

[polichick]

16. I agree, Edwards has the most Democratic message...

He's definitely not trying to be like Republicans ~ and I'm thrilled that there are still a couple of candidates who aren't ashamed to be a Democrat.

But, you're right, he needs to work on his message in order to appeal to a broader group of people ~ and also emphasize other issues that touch everyone, like global warming.

[no name no slogan]

17. It's a sad day when Edwards' message is seen as liberal

thirty years ago, his message was pretty mainstream Democratic. Nowdays, we have "major" candidates proposing "universal health care" programs that make Nixon's look generous.

[redqueen]

19. I'm finding it hard not to be depressed

about this election in general.

[stravu9]

22. Look for Corporate owned Candidates

the Best Politicians money can buy are all we have on offer now. handpicked in both parties by the corporation for the corporations interests. The Working Class don't have a chance!
Who knew we'd ever remember Nixon fondly!

John We Need You!