Florida, Michigan, Nevada....any comparisons? Or not?

[madfloridian]

I really don't know, so I ask.

This board today is filled with one post after the other presenting the Nevada caucus system as being suspect. It is not. It was thoroughly vetted by the party and approved months before by the DNC. The DNC even entered the lawsuit on the side of the Culinary Union as a defendant.

The teachers union locally even distanced themselves from the suit, saying they understood it all along.

A lot of sound and fury signifying nothing....except it all happened the day after the union endorsed Obama. The union bringing the lawsuit was supporting Clinton. Bill Clinton spoke against the caucuses several times after the CWU endorsed Obama.

A whole lot of obvious.

Florida and Michigan. Screwed up votes. The people don't get a say in who the nominee is. If Florida had set their primary back one week to February 5, we could have had our votes counted toward delegates. But they could not do that.

It was done by the whole group of Florida leaders who worked with the GOP since early 2006 to change the date of the primary. It was pushed hard by Bill Nelson, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Alcee Hastings, Hillary's campaign managers in the state. Hastings helped Nelson sue Howard Dean. The lawsuit was thrown out, but they still attack him every time they speak.

My vote in the primary will not count toward delegates. The one who benefits is the biggest name...Hillary.

I feel for the people of Michigan. They don't have their votes counting toward delegates either. Again, it was the chairperson or chairpersons of the same campaign who pushed the effort to move it forward. The day after the Democratic governor in Michigan, Jennifer Granholm, signed the primary bill into law NOT at the point of a gun but most willingly....she endorsed Hillary.

I watched her on CNN the other day. I saw she could not even make a real case for what Michigan's leaders had done to the people.

The worst part was a press conference she had a few days before.

Gov. Jennifer Granholm, U.S. Sen. Debbie Stabenow and former Gov. James Blanchard will meet with reporters, to publicize their support for Clinton's presidential bid and to discourage Democrats from voting "uncommitted" -- one of the choices on the Democratic ballot, along with Clinton, Chris Dodd, Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich. Blanchard said he is concerned voters may take out their frustration over the marginalized Democratic race here on Clinton, the only serious Democratic contender on the ballot in Michigan, by casting uncommitted votes.

Well, they did take her advice, and Hillary "won" Michigan.

I put "won" in parentheses because there are no winners right now.

So what do you think? Nevada's votes will count apparently because of a judge's ruling. Our votes won't count, so it is different. I guess. But is it all part of controlling the vote and controlling the message in the media (hey, ask me about how Florida media has destroyed Howard Dean)... is there a connection?

[JuniperLea]

1. Clinton was right!

It's a damn lie!!! Every state has laws pertaining to employees being allowed to leave their place of employment in order to vote!!! Nevada's laws are much like California's, and MOST states have the same laws in this matter!!

<snip>

Any registered voter may absent himself from his place of employment at a time to be designated by the employer for a sufficient time to vote, if it is impracticable for him to vote before or after his hours of employment (must be liberally construed to achieve its purpose of ensuring that employees have an opportunity to vote). Such voter may not, because of such absence, be discharged, disciplined or penalized, nor shall any deduction be made from his usual salary or wages by reason of such absence. Application for leave of absence to vote shall be made to the employer or person authorized to grant such leave prior to the day of the election.


http://www.nae-online.org/faq.html#Answer17

[madfloridian]

2. I am sorry, but nothing now will convince me.

I just wonder if the manipulation is tied to the controlling of the Fl and MI primaries.

This is a bunch of sour grapes now, and it is looking more sour all the time.

I think there is a concerted effort today to take over this board with attacks on the CWU caucuses. I hope the mods stop it.

[JuniperLea]

3. did you even read the Nevada state laws on being allowed to vote?

Without a ding to your salary?

This whole deal is bogus.

[madfloridian]

4. Then sue the DNC. Why not? Everyone else is.

Why not just start your own lawsuit since you know it is all so illegal?

It's amazing how everyone here suddenly knows all there is to know about Nevada.

[JuniperLea]

7. I've processed payroll for NV employees...

And I know employment law in that state, as well and New York, Washington, Oregon, Texas, and California. The site I cited belongs to a 70-year-old employer information clearing house... they are the go-to for the purpose of understanding employment laws in NV. I fail to see how your comments are relevant given these facts.

[madfloridian]

10. Then like I said....SUE their butts.

Sue Sue Sue....everyone does it. Even though the Republican party is a bunch of homophobes, gay activists are suing the DNC who is giving them a louder voice at the convention and in delegate count. Nasty lawsuit going on.

Bill Nelson sued the DNC. He lost but he was proud of himself. Vic Dimaio of Tampa sued the DNC. He lost, but he said it would continue foever.

Heck, one Florida legislator even said he might sue the first four states.

SO heck why not sue their butts. All of them. Every damn Democrat who was involved.

Go for it. Everyone else is suing.

[ZinZen]

5. Good post MF

Lots of people on this board have are highly emotionally reactive and cannot think rationally about things. I was here in 04 pulling for Dean and it was highly reactive but this is unprecendented. I really hope the mods shut down a few insulting threads.

[madfloridian]

8. It is organized.

Just can't figure out where.

[ZinZen]

6. Calm down

you are going to give yourself an Aneurysm.

[JuniperLea]

9. My, your condescension is telling

You should try reading the facts before you tell others what to do.

[madfloridian]

11. Tell that to the judge who made the decision. Or are you saying he is wrong as well?

This is so out of control.

[madfloridian]

12. SO,...according to the comments, the judge was wrong, the DNC was wrong.

the Nevada state party was wrong.

Only Bill and Hillary Clinton were right?

Got it.

[madfloridian]

13. Yes, Madfloridian, DU is now questioning judges' decisions

and saying their own party is corrupt.

Go figure.

[JuniperLea]

14. LOL!!

There's a saying about talking to oneself... and answering:)

Like a judge never made a mistake, like a judge has never been corrupt, like a Democrat has never been corrupt, like a government has never been corrupt.

[madfloridian]

15. So you say the judge was wrong. The DNC was wrong.

So I would say hire yourself a lawyer and sue them.

We just can not have judges going around making decisions you don't agree with, can we?

[bluedog]

16. this is what pisses me off about this whole thing

On Tuesday, the Obama campaign sent a memo to national media reporters saying that the Jan. 29 Florida primary has "no bearing on the nomination contest." The wording was terse, almost angry, and received quick rebuttals from the Florida Democratic Party and the Clinton campaign.

"It's one thing to honor the pledge. It's something else to explicitly blow off a state you're going to need to win in November," University of Florida political scientist Stephen Craig said Wednesday. "To blow off people in your party who are going to have a chance to vote for you or against you in a couple weeks doesn't make much sense."

Local Obama supporters were reluctant to discuss the memo. "We're an independent grass roots organization," said Johnny Bardine, who helps Foster lead the Tampa Bay Obama group, the Tampa Bay O Train.


http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/17/Hillsborough/Campaigns_without_can.shtml



he can kiss my ass in the GE also!

[hayu_lol]

17. Actually, Florida should have gone first in the primaries...

thats the only way we'd have a final count before November.

[madfloridian]

18. Yes, Florida is the most important state in the country.

And Michigan is second most important. And to hell with the others.

[madfloridian]

19. Didn't he send that out because it is suspected Hillary is planning..

to do some covert campaigning around here? There was a reason he sent it. I saved the articles, will have to look them up.