Hillary booed at MLK event in New York!!

[BluegrassDem]

So much the myth that only the media knows about her scandal. Looks like the word is getting out to the community.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7883.html

[0007]

1. That's interesting!

Her participation in the event drew nary a mention during nearly two hours of speeches, performances, prayers and acknowledgments. But she was a late addition to the event — SEIU Local 32BJ President Michael Fishman said he didn't know Clinton would be there until he arrived at the rally. The SEIU affiliate supports Clinton, though a union official stressed that the event was not a Clinton campaign rally.
The New York senator called on the roughly 2,500, mostly black attendees “to fulfill unfinished dream and to live the legacy that we have inherited.” Some of her biggest applause came when she cited her rival for the Democratic nomination, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, who had his share of supporters at the event.

[annie1]

2. That's awful. I'm black...

(also from NY) and i've read every comment this whole thing was about, and while there were things i wasn't crazy about there is no reason to boo her. that's awful.

[BluegrassDem]

3. She deserves it...she needs to stay far away from anything MLK

MLK should never roll off her lips again. She should go to find some diner to cry at, but stay away from MLK events.

[annie1]

5. ugh. why do i bother talking sense when people are so intent being nasty.

[Hobarticus]

9. "Go to find some diner to cry at..." Somewhere, Dr. King is shaking his head

Whatever.

[emilyg]

24. You need to learn more about Dr. King and his teachings.

[Evergreen Emerald]

65. I am sorry, I have to call BS. MLK is not reserved for Obama to invoke

MLK was a great American admired by many of all colors. Obama does not have the exclusive rights to invoke him.

And this proves that the race-card was played by Obama--who is slow to set the record straight until the damage was done.

After all Clinton has done for civil rights. She deserves a standing ovation.

[Kahuna]

45. She should be booed for the slanderous tone the Clintons have used

against Obama throughout. The apparently have zero respect for him as a human being. For that they should be booed.

[Essene]

50. She race baited as part of a systematic smear campaign.

She did. She really did.

Look at the barrage of race baiting stuff that came out of the Hillary campaign. They setup a situation where they could blame him for "reacting" and "playing the race card." In this campaign, she made a very obnoxious comment about MLK as a means to stir up a buzz.

It was designed to provoke.

She should be booed for that provocation and attempt to make race into her tool for power.

PS... everytime politicians do this stuff, it causes a DECREASE in voter turn-out among minorities. That deserves to be booed as well.

See more detail in my sig link/thread.

[antiimperialist]

4. How many people booed her? 4? 17? 250? n/t

[Seabiscuit]

15. NO ONE bood her. Listen to the recording - see post #11 below.

[Essene]

54. I listened. I dont hear it on that recording, but it doesnt mean it didnt happen

mic recordings dont often pick up nuances in a crowd.

what's clear is that any booing was very much a "smattering" as the article indicates.

[Seabiscuit]

62. If you didn't hear it on that recording, how can you say

"what's clear is that any booing was very much a 'smattering' as the article indicates"?

No booing heard on that recording.

Speculation that perhaps there were "nuances in a crowd" which may have been a boo here or a hoo there, but not always picked up by mic recordings.

Therefor "what's clear" is that there is not any evidence at all of even a "smattering" of "booing" or "catcalling" (the article's language), based on that recording.

The person who posted the link to the video recording didn't hear any. I didn't hear any. You didn't hear any. Seems highly probable there wasn't any at all.

"What's clear" is also that this right-wingnut website posted a very misleading article with a very misleading title.

[dkf]

20. Union Leaders Don't Hear Hillary Jeers, But Audience Members Do

Union Leaders Don't Hear Hillary Jeers, But Audience Members Do
by Jason Horowitz | January 14, 2008

Apparently the boos that reporters heard when Hillary Clinton took the podium were inaudible from portions of the stage at this afternoon's SEIU Local 32BJ event at the Manhattan Center on West 34th Street.

"I couldn't hear it," said Mike Fishman, the president of 32BJ, which has endorsed Clinton.

...

At least one attendee, Pastor Clinton Miller from the Brown Memorial Baptist Church in Brooklyn, heard the booing and had an explanation for it.

"Many people are in the throes of being excited about Sen. Obama's campaign," said Miller, who is supporting Obama. "The African-American media has spotlighted the comments that Clinton made about Martin Luther King, how Lyndon Johnson capped off his efforts by passing the civil rights legislation, and that rubbed people the wrong way."

Outside the hall, Lydia Scott, 64, from Brooklyn, said she, too, was vexed by Clinton's comments about Dr. King.

"She said L.B.J. is the one who got the bill done," said Scott. "She needs to get her history straightened out. And she tried to do that here today."

When asked if Clinton had accomplished that, Scott, who is undecided about who to support, said "no. Once you've made the mistake it's better to just leave it alone and move on."

http://www.observer.com/2008/reaction-hillary-jeers-32-bj

[annie1]

26. cool. thanks. : )

[emilyg]

25. No one.

[Barack_America]

6. Decent article. Fascinating comments. Interesting LBJ quotes.

Rarely are the comments to these articles worth much, but people have responded in really insiteful, rational ways to this one.

Disclaimer: If you read them, prepare to be SHOCKED about what LBJ REALLY thought about African Americans about the civil rights act.

[Barack_America]

21. Seriously guys, read the comments.

The one about LBJ in particular puts the whole praise of LBJ and "it took a president to get it done" in a whole new light.

I pray for her sake that she didn't know how LBJ truly felt about King and the civil rights movement.

[lapfog_1]

53. Most politically aware people know exactly how LBJ felt.

It's all on tape (phone calls to various people).

And it's not pretty. I never liked LBJ all that much before, and I like him less now. Even for a person of his time and background, it was pretty nasty.

I'm sure Hillary knows about LBJ's taped conversations, she was hoping no one else knows.

[Barack_America]

66. Lol. I guess that I'm not "politically aware"

Or that I've just been better at avoiding the nastiness until this election.

But, why the hell would she evoke LBJ as a hero in the civil rights movement when he referred to the Civil Rights Act as, "that n***** bill'? And she doesn't understand why anyone would be insulted?

Unbelievable.

[AtomicKitten]

7. They say you reap what you sow.

[AGirl]

8. you can see it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNB3EHA5_k0&feature=user

I don't hear any boos.

[Seabiscuit]

14. I don't hear any boos either. Or "catcalls". Just applause.

I think that article is full of shit.

[robbedvoter]

47. Thanks. Somehow RW blog politico seems trustworthy here.....Some truce!

[dkf]

10. Its her own fault.

I think she has chutzpah making a last minute arrangement to appear at an MLK event after she says civil rights are due to LBJ.

[annie1]

11. You cannot seriously really think that is what she is saying...

and if you think that just b/c it involved a scuffle with your choice for pres, or because your choice is pres is in competition with her, that really a disservice to the truth. There are even better reasons to be skeptical of what she said than that, that are closer to the truth.

[dkf]

13. This is from the posted story.

'“it took a president” — Lyndon Johnson — to implement civil rights legislation King had advocated. '

[annie1]

22. she certainly made a gaffe. it came out ackward...

but hillary clinton doesn't believe the civil rights are due to LBJ.

she's started saying: all words no action
then Barack essentially said 'words inspired, just like MLK's, she's putting down the hope and dreams i'm talking about for the people, just imigane she had done that to MLK'.

so she responded but it came out really bad. her point was trying to be

'first of all, don't go there, don't compare yourself to MLK', and the 'but it took a president' to say, 'words are not enough, you have to take action.' and then she tried to bring the argument back to politics and the presidency'

and in doing so it came out lame.

[aquart]

23. Which is true.

[dkf]

27. MLK gave his life for this dream

His sacrifice was the ultimate one. He mobilized this country to do what was right. Legislation by itself cannot change the hearts and minds of men...It takes someone like MLK who moves the people and makes them see things in a new light.

MLK created the change. LBJ created the punishment and the coercement of the government.

[Tom Joad]

30. hundreds of thousands of people convinced LBJ he had little choice.

[dkf]

33. Yup!

Makes me so proud to be an American!!!

[annie1]

32. pbi,

she really did mean that. that's why she (and even myself) were a little bit upset with him comparing what he puts forth to that of MLK, BECAUSE mlk not only paid the sacrifice in the end, but sacrificed and fought for so long. I didn't feel comfortable in the beginning with obama bringing up MLK the way he did, but maybe his comment came out slightly ackward if he was not indeed trying to compare himself with MLK. But it felt uncomfortable for me to hear himself talk about himself aligned with MLK. just my opinion.

[dkf]

34. I think he was saying he wanted to be like MLK

to move the people to do things that had never been done before through the power of words and persuasion.

That is what Hillary lacks and without someone to move the people it is hard to get things done.

Bill has the gift but even he couldn't create the paradigm shift we need.

Hillary is simply awful at it. Witness the health care debacle. She couldn't beat out a stupid Harry and Louise ad when polls showed the country supported health care coverage.

This is why I do think Obama is the best hope for true change.

[annie1]

36. i agree with you....

i often find myself go back and forth btwn these things. He does have that gift, and it's so evident watching him been able to rally people to his cause so quickly. and it's a great strength. and she has her strengths, but this is certainly not one of them. I always think, damn, if they could only combine there strengths. and it's funny, that was basically the argument btwn them, she is probably very good at policy, and he has the ability to get support and to move people to care. it's frustrating, this is why i wish they weren't both running at the same time. I like her for her policy strengths because I feel she will be able to undo the last 8 years the fastest and policy details will be politically very intelligent based on her years in washington and arkansas, NY, etc. But then again, one thing that helps a president move legislation, or so i hear, is to have support. so it's tough. I end up her side because i tend to be sort of detail oriented and very analytical. but it's something i go back and forth on all the time. drives me nuts. :D

excuse my stream of consciousness.
(and i think he was saying words inspire action, but then she got really pragmatic, and then all hell broke lose)

[dkf]

37. Well that sounds a lot to me like Al Gore and I absolutely love the man

but he doesn't sell very well.

He does turn out to be right but by the time everyone sees he is right its too danged late and everything is a mess.

[annie1]

39. Yes...

totally right there with you. and it hurt to watch him lose. i kept always thinking, why can't someone teach him to loosen up. but i guess it doesn't work that way. woulda been a great president. *sigh* that was a real loss. grrrrrrr.

[Stephanie]

42. Exactly right.

Hillary's a wonk, not a leader. Even in debates, all she talks about is legislation. "In fact, I introduced legistlation to do just that!" "And when I am the president, I'll introduce legislation..."

[Tom Joad]

35. there i might agree with you. MLK would not sit in the Senate handing

voting for funds for an illegal, immoral, insane war.

[dkf]

38. I think that even without funding the war Bush would still figure out

a way to do things, but keep our soldiers miserable and unprotected in the process.

In fact, I can see where he would put our guys in harms way and then blame us for their deaths.

Look at this agreement he is making with the Iraqis to keep us there regardless of where the next President stands!

[grasswire]

12. this was done to Hillary before!

In previous campaigns, there were false claims of booing at her. The wingnuts talked it up, bigtime, as usual. It was false. It was a campaign hoax by a Hillary hater.

This is disgusting gutter politics.

[DURHAM D]

16. I wonder if Cong. Rangle was there?

Perhaps the tepid reception was why he got so pissed about his community pissing on themselves.

[BenDavid]

17. Oh, but she handled it with ease and by the time her speech was

over she appeared to succeed in calming her critics as she not only hailed King, but also praised Barack Obama, her chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination. Smart move on her part, but then again she will be at different events before the national holiday on the 21st......

[wiley]

18. Wrong.

[sandnsea]

19. This is not an Obama supporter

that is all.

[Tom Joad]

28. ahhh, good news. thanks.

[Tom Joad]

29. What hillary does not know... is that the people who really helped realize the dream

was Not warmonger LBJ. But the hundreds of thousands of African Americans who marched with him. who went to jail (and some the judges who put them there were appointed by kennedy and Johnson!). who were tortured. who were lynched.

Fannie Lou Hammer was a hero of the civil rights movement. Not politicians who knew they had to relent to overwhelming pressure. Or fear even more upheaval.

[annie1]

31. she's knows that very well.

[Stephanie]

43. Why do you imagine that you know what she knows?

Why does everyone feel compelled to ascribe better motives to the awful things Hillary Clinton does? "She wasn't really for the war, she thought it was a vote for peace!" This woman gets more benefit of the doubt than any politician in history.

[mrdemocrat78]

40. k&r

[dailykoff]

41. Race baiting, union busting WalMart lawyer pimps herself at a union event

and all they did was boo?

[snagglepuss]

44. What irony. Obama supporters like these will be his downfall.

[Essene]

51. Race baiting works. Blame Hillary for this.

[lwcon]

46. Pathetic post

And thanks for linking to wingnut site politico. :-(

[robbedvoter]

48. REALITY CHECK- listen for yourselves: video here (again)- No boos. Politico - RW site

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNB3EHA5_k0

Just as credible as the Obama jay-Z music/his wife comments.

[Essene]

52. Reality Check: she's doing damage control after disgraceful race baiting

[Sulawesi]

55. Sorry, I can't spend 20 minutes listening to that in order to see if there were some boos...

[robbedvoter]

57. Soo, you'd rather believe a right wing blog on it - that's telling.

[Sulawesi]

60. No, I just won't comment on the validity of this...

[Perry Logan]

49. It's a compulsion. Hillarophobes can't help themselves.

[Sulawesi]

56. How can you defend countering supposed shallow attacks by calling people names? makes no sense.

[robbedvoter]

59. You refuse to watch the video but believe right wing sources - and object to name calling?

In fact so do I. They are redundant at this point.

[Sulawesi]

61. see my post above, I don't defend the assertion that she was booed, I don't call them names either

[MethuenProgressive]

58. The Swiftboating of Clinton on Race continues - Video shows NO BOOS.

Shame on the lying liars who lie.

[SIMPLYB1980]

63. Wrong.

[Sparkly]

64. "her scandal?"

Please. :eyes:

[WillTheGoober]

67. Watch it for yourself ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNB3EHA5_k0

Where are the boos?

Perhaps we should stop falling for Republican talking points and start supporting our candidates.

W.

[Barack_America]

68. Where's the enthusiasm?

I agree, the title describing "boos" is misleading. Somebody else posted an article claiming a "Lukewarm" response. I think that's more accurate.

You can't argue that it was an enthusiastic welcome.

[WillTheGoober]

69. Perhaps ...

Though Hillary is not exactly the best at speeches.

People often mistake crowd-energy for votes.

George Bush is perhaps the worst speaker ever. He won 2 terms.

I'm not voting for someone who can deliver the best teleprompter speech. I'm voting for someone who can actually effect change in this country. I'm voting for someone who has the heart, tenacity, and courage to take on the Republican party and win the White House.

I'm voting for someone who commands the most energy in the room, regardless of what she says or does. She is the focus of everything in this election -- even the speeches of her competitors.

Perhaps the other candidates should stop making their candidacy about not being Hillary Rodham Clinton and start making their candidacy about themselves and their record.

W.