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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:44 PM
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I think Republicans won't have any ammo against Obama if he wins the nomination
because a fellow Democrat is using it all... :)
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:45 PM
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1. No, they love him
He's their kind of guy: a conservative who hates Democrats.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:47 PM
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2. Who? Lieberman? Yeah, they love that guy.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:48 PM
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3. They like Obama, too
He's helping them tremendously.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:50 PM
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4. Yes, Democrats love Obama.
He will help the country tremendously.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:26 AM
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35. GOP loves Obama
This is like having a discussion with a 10 year old.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:52 PM
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7. Where does your hate really originate from? Just curious. nt
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:55 PM
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14. It may be that many consevatives love the fact that he is one of them.
Both Obama and Bush Harvard Graduates. They both have ties to the investment group Carlyle. Obama was his fraternitiy's pesident does anyone know if george was too?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:50 PM
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5. oh, I don't know...
They used Dean's "flip flop" thing against Kerry. Worked pretty well, too.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:51 PM
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6. Their ammo will be that he's too liberal.
They'll look at his background in movement organizing and liberal voting record more carefully than some supporters of other candidates are.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:49 AM
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40. Yes, that's it
They're already saying that on Fox News.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:45 PM
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41. Ironic considering all the hogwash you read around hear about Obama being conservative.
They'll figure it out eventually but I hope its not too late.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:52 PM
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8. Oh they will CREATE the ammo, trust me n/t
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 11:53 PM by antiimperialist
and the media will load the ammon into their corporate guns.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:53 PM
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11. Like the fellow Democrat is doing, or worse?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:05 AM
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22. MUCH worse.
You are naive to think for even second that they won't use every dirty trick at their disposal. Nothing will be off limits.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:09 AM
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28. Media has set the GOP up with some nice dirt on Obama's real estate association w/ "mobster"
While I do not see any legal, or even ethical problems for Obama with the Rezko affair, its not the facts its the insinuation that gains traction. there is also the ABC Brain Ross thing about Obama changing stories - implying its becoming a particular trait. there is also the mideast connection and Rezko's transfering money to the mid-east (Leb) - the Rezko trial starts this summer

the links are not working - the working links are in the original posts in DU's Justice forum.



The Chicago papers have run with this as "Indictment of Obama fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko-Obama "discount" real estate deal with "mobster" - below is a copy of info posted in DU's Justice forum.

first - There is a mention of Mr. Antoin "Tony" Rezko's "possible ties" to mob and Syrian bankers in this June New York Times article http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/14/us/politics/14rezko.h...

Rezko is also a former adviser to Gov Blagojevich, and is accused of using his influence with state officials in 2004 to extort kickbacks from firms seeking to do business with the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board and the state Teachers' Retirement System Board. Stuart Levine, a member of both state boards who pleaded guilty to taking part in the kickback scheme, is expected to be the key government witness against Rezko. Chicago authorities also alleged that Rezko set up a front minority company to win permission to open three Panda Express outlets at O'Hare International Airport. His nominal partner was Jabir Herbert Muhammad, son of the late Nation of Islam founder Elijah Muhammad. Rezko and Muhammad settled the matter, which became public in 2005, months before Obama's house purchase. Without admitting wrongdoing, they agreed to end their O'Hare operations and were disqualified from the city's minority business program. Rezko is also charged with scheming to obtain a fraudulent $2.6 million loan for the sale of 17 pizza restaurants he owned. Rezko is charged along with Ali Ata and Abdelhamid Chaib.

In addition to a Obama's Rezko land deal, Sen. Barack Obama's ties to the indicted dealmaker Antoin "Tony" Rezko include an internship the senator provided the son of a contributor at the request of Rezko, as confirmed by an Obama spokesman.

Obama and Rezko have been friends since 1990, with Rezko raising $60,000 in campaign contributions for Obama's state and federal campaigns, of which at least $19,500 was directly from Rezko and his companies (but after Rezko's indictment, Obama donated $11,500 to charity -- the amount Rezko personally contributed to the senator's federal campaign fund).

In the real estate deal, a home was found (via Rezko advice?) where the seller was willing to drop the price $300,000 from its listing price - the house had been listed for 3 months but the sellers were in no hury to close and wanted to wait until both the side lot and the house lot were under contract. Indeed, the sellers did not want to close until the coming June 15, 2005 and said the sale would go through only if someone bought the adjacent lot from them on the same date. Rita Rezko paid $625,000 for the lot on June 15, 2005. Seven months later in 2006, wanting a bigger yard for his $1.65 million house, Obama bought a one-sixths slice of the Rezko property for $104,500 - one sixth of the prior years value. In late 2006 Rita Rezko sold the remainder of the lot to a law firm owned by her husband's business attorney for an appreciated value profit of $54,500 on the post Obama original cost of $520,500.

Obama has said he took special care to ensure any financial arrangements with Rezko were ethical, because Rezko was widely reported to be under investigation by a federal grand jury.

Rezko also owned some apartment buildings in Obama's district when he was in the state legislature. Rezko was considered a "slumlord." Obama's law firm also represented Rezko. can a lawyer working for a mobster on slumlord buildings will be ignored -

ABC Good Morning America Brian Ross says Obama changed stories ABC GMA ran a lengthy story on this today, showing several statements by Obama where he apparently changed his explanations about knowledge of Rezko and the land deal. Per ABC, Obama at first claimed to have not discussed the land deal with Rezko and not knowing much about Rezko's questionable rep. Then Obama reportedly stated that he probably did discuss the deal with Rezko. In summary, ABC program implied that Obama should have shown better judgment and not been involved in any deal involving Rezko considering his bad headline causing past reputation, and Obama should have been more straightforward in acknowledging the particulars when questioned about the deal.

below are excepts and links to Chicago Sun times discussion of the Obama group connection to Rezko

Obama first worked at corporate law firm Sidley Austin LLP - client Rezko is accused of helping to get businessman Stuart Levine reappointed to the board of the state's Teachers' Retirement System and scheming with Levine to get kickbacks from companies seeking business with the state board. Levine is cooperating with the government, and Niewoehner said there are recordings of Rezko discussing his activities.

John Aramanda served as an intern for Obama for about a month in 2005, said Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs. His father is Joseph Aramanda, a Rezko business associate who was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a federal corruption case against Rezko. Aramanda has contributed $11,500 to Obama since 2000, Former Top State Official Indicted In Rezko Case Ex-Illinois Finance Authority Chief Allegedly Aided Rezko In $10M Fraud Scheme - AP
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_151190806.html


the Chicago Sun-Times writes that “As a state senator, Barack Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting his political patron Tony Rezko’s successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens. The deal included $855,000 in development fees for Rezko and his partner, Allison S. Davis, Obama’s former boss, according to records from the project, which was four blocks outside Obama’s state Senate district.”http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/425305,CST-NWS-ob... (MY NOTE Obama has said Rezko paid the full price because Rezko was matching another offer made to the seller and Obama paid a discounted price because there was no such other offer at the full asking price for the property Obama purchased.)

Ordinarily when a campaign gets caught with letter evidence contradicting previous statements the smart move is to get the full story out and not mock people’s intelligence. Not so with this Obama campaign.

“The letters appear to contradict a statement last December from Obama, who told the Chicago Tribune that, in all the years he’s known Rezko, “I’ve never done any favors for him.”

Obama’s former boss “Davis soon went into business with Rezko, creating a company called New Kenwood LLC to build the seven-story apartment building for senior citizens on a vacant stretch of land once occupied by a gas station at 48th and Cottage Grove. The city of Chicago owned the land — nearly two acres tainted by lead, benzene and other toxic chemicals. Davis is a member of the Chicago Plan Commission. He was originally appointed to the commission in 1991 by his friend, Mayor Daley. Davis, like Rezko, has been a prolific campaign fund-raiser for politicians including Daley and Obama.”

This is Chicago after all. Michelle Obama works for the Landmarks Commission, Obama’s boss is on the Planning Commission, Obama does legal work for Rezko real estate, Michelle works for a hospital, the Obama house was sold by a doctor, there are doctors investing in real estate with Rezko including in the Pizza parlors now in such deep legal troubles. We are sure this is all coincidence. We won’t even mention Todd Stroger and the corruption swirling around him and his dad and how Obama endorsed Todd and why Todd’s father had to leave public life. while Obama was writing letters to benefit by millions of dollars his indicted slumlord friend Antoin “Tony” Rezko, Obama’s African-American constituents were freezing in their tenements. Obama was busy writing letters. ”Obama, who has worked as a lawyer and a legislator to improve living conditions for the poor, took campaign donations from Rezko even as Rezko’s low-income housing empire was collapsing, leaving many African-American families in buildings riddled with problems — including squalid living conditions, vacant apartments, lack of heat, squatters and drug dealers. The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found. “Their buildings were falling apart,” said a former city official. “They just didn’t pay attention to the condition of these buildings.” Eleven of Rezko’s buildings were in Obama’s state Senate district.“http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/353829,CST-NWS-rez23...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/425305,CST-NWS-ob...



Rezko has significant ties to the Middle East, and his wife and daughter met him in Damascus recently. He has transferred money around the world, Niewoehner said, including $400,000 to Beirut in 2004.

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:53 PM
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9. They have their oppo research done by you guys on ANY candidate - no reason not to
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 12:02 AM by robbedvoter
use and amplify it in the echo chambers as their candidate gets beatified.
It really doesn't need to be an original.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:53 PM
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10. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Remember, this is America. I suspect all it will take is some well placed "OH NO! It's a scary Neeeeeegro!" messages.

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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:54 PM
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12. Boy, are you in for a shock.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:08 AM
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27. No kidding. The OP should take a look at a couple of the emails..
I've received on Obama just within the last week. Politics isn't for the weak willed.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:27 AM
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36. Yeah, unfortunately I got them too.
One of them was claiming that Obama's middle name was Mohammad. Close, but no cigar. God help us.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:00 AM
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37. with an atheist mother and a Muslim father..
and stepfather who associates with terrorist jihadists.

If only the drug use was their worst ammunition. They'll make up lies out of whole cloth and dumbass Republican 'security moms' and 'defense dads' will eat it up (as they already are because it was moderate, protestant friends and relatives who forwarded these emails to me).
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:03 PM
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42. I already know someone who stated that she won't vote for Obama...
because of the stuff in these emails. We've screwed ourselves again.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:54 PM
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13. This is ridiculous,
they'll rip Obama apart just like everyone else. Do you think that the republicans are going to give him a pass for his past drug use, just because he wrote about? He tried to get in front of the issue by talking about, which is smart politics, but it doesn't mean that voters are going to say, ok I'm fine with it.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:56 PM
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15. From Republicans I expect all sorts of unreasonable, dirty crap.
That is, FROM REPUBLICANS... from fellow Democrats, however...
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:10 AM
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30. Not all Democrats are going to
give Obama a pass just because he talked about it. Some will, some won't. That's life.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:21 AM
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33. Johnson is a Democrat? Really?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:57 PM
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17. Just like they ripped GWB apart for denying his usage, when we
know it was happening? Times have changed. I do not think drug usage is a major issue in this election, the future of our country is.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:03 AM
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21. Anything is an issue - if it's a dem. Nothing is - if it's a GOP-er.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 12:04 AM by robbedvoter
You'd think people got that by now. And if there are no issues, in comes "serial liar" "people don't want to have a beer with him/her" and "dresses badly"
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:56 PM
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16. Oh please people. If they played the race card in 06 against
Harold Ford just to win a damn senate seat how much more of a concentrated effort do you think the RNC and GOP will use against Obama to keep the presidency. If you honestly believe this country is color blind you need to get out more.

Hell, they will have most of the ignorant white people scared shitless. It happened in Tenn. in the 21 st century. So if oabma happens and I doubt serious he will get the nomination ,it is not going to be pretty......
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:58 PM
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19. Obama is not more polarizing that some other candidate
they have been getting ready to run against for years.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:05 AM
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24. He isn't. But in the GE, the rules change. The Dem is Satan, the GOP- God.
No matter who, or what reality is.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:07 AM
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25. Harold Ford also wanted to play nice with his opponents.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:07 AM
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26. You are gross.
And your 'gal', who didn't support the DEM candidate in 04, is just as bad.

I'm repulsed by your comments. So now you're trying to use fear OF the GOP to vote for your gal?

Ignorant white people, scared shitless, cannot vote for that scary black man! I 'get' it. :puke:
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:57 PM
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18. Between all the negativity, something interesting about the campaign:
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 12:22 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter
This Democratic primary season is the first primary in either party in the modern political error where no Dem campaign has run a single negative TV ad. Not in Iowa or NH, or anywhere else so far.

At least I can't think of any.

(As for 527-type TV ads, I don't know what was run where.)
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:20 AM
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31. I think Mittens may have hit The Huckter in Iowa and Mc Cain in NH...but i'm sleepy
so I may not be remembering correctly. Seems like there was a buzz about it.

I agree about our side though...Even the MSM was talking about how negative-ad free this year has been...
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:21 AM
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32. Oh, the Republicans have run tons of negative TV ads. I was referring to us.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:24 AM
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34. Ahhhh...well.... I agree then.
:)
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:00 AM
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20. Heh. Do you think that the GOP has trademarked these tactics?
They must be pissed that Hillary is stealing their bit!
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DemDogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:05 AM
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23.  A pipe dream that they have nothing. And HE gave it to them.
Blame no one else for using it.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:10 AM
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29. If only... but the Repugs will just bring it back out in a different way
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 12:10 AM by LiberalFighter
Besides, the public aren't paying that much attention right now. It will be like new in October and November 2008.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:30 AM
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38. "Swift Boating" n.: The Act of Making Stuff Up Out of Whole Cloth and Making it Stick
by getting your friends in the Mighty Slime Machine to repeat it over and over (for free) until people believe it.

They didn't have anything at all on Kerry. They couldn't have because there wasn't anything. So they made shit up.

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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:46 AM
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39. heh, heh, i heard obama's a muslim and he went to school at a fundamentalist madrassa in iran...
okay, you and i know the truth, but don't think the repukes couldn't make that the conventional wisdom amongst a certain set of voters. look how the MSM convinced americans that sadaam had WMDs and was behind 9-11.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:04 PM
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43. Many of them are here trying.
:puke:
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