Is it really a good reason to vote for someone because you feel other people are being mean to them?

[jenmito]

I think it's a big mistake to "pick a president" on the basis of people "being mean" to them. I've seen more than a few people say they wouldn't have DREAMED of voting for her but they were tired of all the negative coverage of her tearing up or of how she was written off before the NH primary even took place, so they're changing their vote to her. (Of course I'm talking about Hillary).

[maddiejoan]

1. That's been Obama's

main campaign strategy.

Hillary ATTACKEDATTACKED ATTACKED

[Cameron27]

3. !

:toast:

[jenmito]

8. You must be joking.

Obama's been having to defend himself from both Hillary and BILL!

[maddiejoan]

17. and using attacks on himself

as a fund raising device.

His form of defense is never to counter the argument --it's to claim he's being victimized by ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK

so no --I'm not 'kidding'

I'm dead serious.

[jenmito]

18. If you're dead serious

you're dead wrong.

[maddiejoan]

20. and you're blind

because it's exactly what he's been doing for months.

[jenmito]

28. You're biased.

He has only called out her or her campaign's smears.

[maddiejoan]

34. I'm not biased at all.

The fact is --that Obama's tactics are one of the reasons I am not supporting him at the moment.

and frankly --much of what Obama and his supporters call "smears" are simply comments which are true.

[jenmito]

40. Yeah, right!

It's true that he went to a Madrassa? How 'bout the smears dressed up as "things the RW might say about him" like being a possible drug dealer and being a Muslim?

[maddiejoan]

43. Nice cherry picking.

BTW --Hillary didn't say those things --and those that did are no longer with her because of it.

But the matter at hand is -- Does Obama use attacks against him in a way to garner sympathy for being attacked?

Please --he claimed discussing what he wrote in Kindergarten was an attack! Boohoobama. The nasty woman is picking on me! Send me money!

[jenmito]

48. Cherry picking? No way.

Funny how these things were put out there "without Hillary's knowledge." Shaheen said those things on his own? Without consulting with Hillary first? He's no low-level staffer.

There's a difference between raising money off of someone else's attacks and lies and crying/tearing up to show a sympathetic side (after being criticized for being cold).

[rinsd]

44. ZING!!

:thumbsup:

[veniceboy]

2. She tapped into a very important demographic-

My divorced older mother who struggled to raise me on her own felt serious sympathy for her. She also mentioned she wasn't ready to turn the reigns over to the "next" generation. Also, I think the 60s/Vietnam era folks just don't want to admit their time has passed (thank god) and therefore they are relectant to pass the torch.

[jenmito]

10. So sympathy is a reason to vote for someone?

57% of voters in NH were women and from all women I saw interviewed, they decided at the last minute because of how she was "ganged up on" and "showed emotion." How are those factors qualifications to be president?

[End Of The Road]

16. Our time has NOT passed

We are a huge demographic and you are saddled with us for awhile longer.

[xultar]

4. Then why did Obama start the whole Hillary attacked me thing? Didn't he have a web site

and shit dedicated to the mean lady beat up on me routine?

He wanted people to see that she was being mean to him. So if he can go for the Hillary attacked me vote, she can go for the they are attacking me vote. So, she came out with her own web site, which was tacky cuz Obama came out with it first.

[jenmito]

11. Striking back against attacks and preemptively setting up a website to knock down the coming attacks

is different from getting the "sympathy" vote.

[xultar]

27. Aw...come on. Each side has the same spcheel. It's crap from both.

[JVS]

5. It's a stupid as wanting to drink beer with that person.

[jenmito]

14. I agree. And Hillary implied Obama was someone people want to have a beer with (like Bush) and

that's why it was so dangerous to elect him.

[napi21]

6. That's true, but I think there was more to that Hillary vote than that.

I dont live in NH, but I have also heard that the peple of MH renotoriouslyindependant and they don't like Iowa, the media, or anyone else teling the who to vote for. Even I felt the media was pissed at the apparent annointing of Barack after his Iowa victory. They all did othing buy claim he was a lock for the nomination. If that is done about any candidae before I vote, it will turn me to ote for someone else.

NOTHING made me happier than tosee all the "experts" have to eat crow on Tue/Wed.

Barack very wel might be the Dem. nominee, but I don't think any of us wanted to see the corporate media to make that decision for us after ONE caucus!

[jenmito]

9. Well,

the media was only going by what the polls were telling them and what the crowds were showing them. Even Hillary's polling had her losing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. You're Missing The Fact That A Lot Of Older Women And Working Class Women Like Hillary And That

Affection Is Quite Real...

[jenmito]

19. Then why was she behind in all the polls?

[redqueen]

22. A good number of voters didn't decide till that day whom they were going to vote for.

[jenmito]

29. Exactly. They saw Hillary "getting emotional" and made up their mind to vote for her.

IMO of course.

[redqueen]

33. I don't care to presume, myself. (nt)

[TwilightGardener]

12. People often don't vote with their brains, and they don't take their votes seriously.

That's been my observation. That's not a slam on Hillary specifically, the same could be said for someone who votes for Obama out of black pride, or Edwards out of a feeling of blue-collar solidarity. A lot of people aren't choosing a President, they're choosing an image or sentiment.

[DemCam]

13. People vote for people for a lot worse reasons.

In fact, bet a very small number vote for just this reason.
There is actually substance behind the reason, too, if you
think about it.

[redqueen]

15. No, it's a very very very stupid reason.

Just one example of the many idiotic reasons people choose a candidate.

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. Yes, it is legitimate: fundamental fairness is an adequate criterion

[redqueen]

23. What?

[alcibiades_mystery]

37. Ya heard me

[redqueen]

38. I read what you typed...

I just don't understand what it means.

If you perceive someone as being unfairly picked on... that automatically makes them fundamentally fair?

[fightindonkey]

24. Uh, That's Been Obama's Condition Too, Jenmito.

[jenmito]

30. Uh, how so, fightindonkey?

[bunnies]

25. Imho - No. In fact, Hell No.

But I know several NH voters who disagree with me.

[jenmito]

31. I agree with you.

:hi:

[fightindonkey]

26. "I Voted For Barack, Because Oprah Said So, She Got The Black Vote. Oh, Obama's Black Now, Too!"

lol. Give me a break. Obama's pandered more than Hillary ever could. People didn't believe he was black until recently, because of his mixed heritage.

[jenmito]

35. That's bull.

Oprah never told anyone to vote for Obama. She told them why SHE thinks he's the best person to be president. And Oprah, like Obama, are not seen as "Black people," but successful people.

[THUNDER HANDS]

32. if being picked on got votes

Kerry would have won in a landslide in 2004.

[jenmito]

36. It's different...

women felt sorry for Hillary and empathized with "the boys ganging up on" her.

[Catherine Vincent]

39. Obama is great, it's just that some of his supporters are mean-spirited pricks. nt

[jenmito]

41. Which supporters?

[Catherine Vincent]

42. Are you trying to get me ts'ed?

[jenmito]

45. No. You made the claim. I want to know who you're talking about. If

you meant me for one, tell me.

[Catherine Vincent]

46. Oh, no. I wasn't talking about you.

If I was, I would have hinted. The majority of the O supporters are fine, it's the few loud mouths that I'm talking about.

[jenmito]

47. Oh. OK.

I thought you meant me. :hi: